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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2016 at 04:45
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

The sticky out thing on your leg is a foot. Learn to tap it. That is an acceptable substitute. 
I asked a guitarist friend what was the best advice he was ever given and his reply was "keep tapping your foot"
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2016 at 05:33
Reminding you that this advice is extremely helpful!

I'm trying to practice most as I can, it seems better to just practice a lot than keep asking how to practice exactly. Although I've been playing for a while especially my hand on the fretboard hurts quite quickly, just a few bends and the skin wants to leave my finger...
Tapping with my feet is indeed probably way better, I tended to not use it at first; I find it distracting but probably I'll need to just get used to it. This might be actually the reason of my timing-problem!

Oh and by the way, I never used a metronome anyway (I wasn't clear I think).
Do you think it's best to first record every other instrument and then guitar?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2016 at 05:48
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

Do you think it's best to first record every other instrument and then guitar?
There are no hard and fast rules here. Though usually rhythm tracks are recorded before any melody tracks, then lead and solos are recorded last. If your piece has rhythm guitar then record that early as it is a guide for everything else and acts as "a place-keeper" for verse, chorus and bridge sections.

As odd as it sounds the rhythm guitar is sometimes more useful as "the time-keeper" than the drum or bass so recording a rhythm guitar guide track before recording the drum track can be an advantage .. or having the rhythm guitarist play along while recording the drums (or bass) just to keep the drummer (or bassist) on course. If you are not using a real drummer then obviously that's unnecessary.


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Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

Tapping with my feet is indeed probably way better, I tended to not use it at first; I find it distracting but probably I'll need to just get used to it. This might be actually the reason of my timing-problem!
That's probably because as a piano player your feet are used on the pedals so are not used to keeping time. Guitarists feet don't do a great deal (except stomp on fx pedals) so can be used to mark time more effectively - more so than drummers even as they use their feet to play kick drum and high-hat so don't maintain a steady on-the-beat tapping.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 01 2016 at 09:47
Good point about the keyboard players' feet, never thought of that.

If you get used to tapping on the beat with your feet, you feel the music much more than with a ticky-tick metronome. And it's all about feeling the music. 

It used to be that I could keep time with my right leg, but if I used my left, my timing was off. ;-)

As a PS yes, your fingers will initially hurt. This is normal. So go owwwww and feel that warm glow associated with doing that bit right. ;-) Good job you're bending strings. Lots of guitarists, sorry, "guitarists".... don't. They think they can get away without doing so. Uh uh. 

The point about learning an instrument is that there is a price to pay, whether in time, money or pain, to get to a certain point. You're paying in pain and some frustration at the moment. This, again, is normal. You'll find lots of musicians, sorry, "musicians" who expect there's some kind of magic short cut. This is like picking up a Japanese dictionary and thinking there's a magic way to learn to speak fluent Japanese in two weeks. Some magic formula which unlocks everything. Yeah, well. Right. ;-)

Dean is 100% right in that there are no hard and fast rules about how to record a song and in what order. It's whatever works, and that comes with experience, and occasionally, at 3 in the morning when you have the idea for a guitar riff, drum break, nose flute solo, whatever. It's all personal. I come up with a riff which drives a song or a chord progression which leads to ideas, or hear a drum pattern which starts something off, and it all goes from there. Don't worry about it, it sorts itself out. ;-) You'll notice there are composers' threads on this board - "how to do it" - and I don't subscribe to the idea that there is a set way to compose or record or play music, as that generally produces .... formulaic pieces. It's all about inspiration and intuition. That comes with practice and experience. 

Oh yes, really, there are no teachers for this kind of thing. There are people who can show you ideas and techniques, but the only person who will really teach you anything - by repetition, practice, trial and error.... is you. Most people think learning an instrument is a set task, you do A, you do B, you've learnt to play. It's not like that. It's an evolutionary process where you can go as deep or as shallow as you want to. But you WILL get there, with the correct attitude. And a lot of bloody minded determination. 

And good luck. ;-)




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 02 2016 at 11:34
I recommend keeping time by tapping your tongue to the roof of your mouth. Callouses are the most thing! It should only take a couple weeks for callouse to emerge. Don't use moisturizing soap! Don't play straight after getting out of the shower.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2016 at 10:13
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

To all guitar players or people who know about it:
What is the best way to learn to play guitar?

I want to focus the most on electric guitar and making solos. I've got some musical knowledge because I play piano for about 8 years so that must help me I guess.

Any help will be appreciated!

If you want to specifically learn how to solo on guitar, I would start with learning the pentatonic (or blues) scale.  It's a simple pattern (with a couple variations) that you can easily move anywhere on the neck to play in different keys.  And as the saying goes, playing blues guitar takes a minute to learn and a lifetime to master.  There are tons of examples on the net (just search for "pentatonic scale guitar") including youtube videos that will show you exactly how it works.  

Next, I'd suggest a program like Band-in-a-Box which is a wonderful learning tool.  You can easily setup your "backup band" to play a I-IV-V progression in seconds then use the pentatonic scale to solo over it until you eventually fall over from exhaustion LOL  

The biggest thing that opened up the world of guitar soloing for me back in 1980 was when I bought a book and learned the pentatonic scale.  And just because it's known as a "blues" scale doesn't mean it's limited to the blues.  When you hear Gary Green or Steve Howe ripping those fantastic rocking solo's back in the 70's, the basis of those are the pentatonic scales.  Best of all, nowadays with the resources of the internet, you don't need a book and will find youtube ready and willing to be your guitar teacher any time of the day or night. 

Best of luck and rock on Wink
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2016 at 10:57
^Yeah I know the minor pentatonic and blues scale, and it us indeed easy to learn and makes it simple to sound very cool. But now mastering it...     

I'll try Band-in-a-Box, only one question. If you solo over different chords, do you keep using a scale over the tonic?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2016 at 15:06
Like the "blues scale", the minor and major pentatonics have been run into the ground by overuse.
Everyone tends to use them, but the better the player, the less they use such cliches.
Go into any guitar shop on a Saturday and 90% of what you hear will be minor pentatonics.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2016 at 15:35
^I know and yes, it sounds fairly cliche. I try to use it as a "bridge" only, but it's hard to never use it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 03 2016 at 16:19
Originally posted by DDPascalDD DDPascalDD wrote:

^Yeah I know the minor pentatonic and blues scale, and it us indeed easy to learn and makes it simple to sound very cool. But now mastering it...     

I'll try Band-in-a-Box, only one question. If you solo over different chords, do you keep using a scale over the tonic?

It really depends on what feeling you're after.  If you want to remain rooted in one scale, you should try to choose a scale that encompasses the roots of the chords that will be changing underneath it.  For example, soloing in C major will sound pleasing over the C major diatonic chords (C, dm, em, F, G7, Am, Bdim, C - in other words the chords that are made up of strictly the notes of the C major scale) because the notes in C major all correspond to the roots-3rds-5ths-7ths of those chords.  In other words, every note you play in C major will somehow directly relate to the diatonic chords underneath.  Soloing in Am (or the more abbreviated A minor pentatonic scale) over those same chords will give you that rock/blues feel that is so pleasing.  Basically for the same reason, the notes in A minor pentatonic (or Am) all relate to the C major diatonic chords moving underneath but in a different twist.  You can also get really advanced in choosing a scale by incorporating modes, but that's a more advanced theory discussion.  Actually, playing the A minor pentatonic scale over C chords is playing the Aeolian mode so playing the blues is actually more theory literate than anyone imagined.  Zappa was known to play extended solos in the Lydian mode, often whether it was related to the chords underneath or not LOL

So what to do if you're trying to solo over a chord progression that features chords outside the diatonic scale underneath?  That's the million dollar question!  There are many approaches.  When that non diatonic chord comes up, you can jump out of your scale and emphasize the root or any note of that chord...returning to your scale when the chord moves to the next.  You can ignore the change and find something in your scale that feels dissonant in an interesting way.  Or you can go full on advanced theory mania as guys like Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Yngwie etc do and say, "this chord is actually the 2nd of the Phrygian mode with a flat 7th so I'll play a D dorian over this chord and resolve to an A mixolydian here blah blah blah."  That stuff just makes my head spin so I don't go there.

Simply put, just experiment!  Play, Play, Play!  That's why Band-in-a-Box is so great...you can quickly setup a chord progression that will repeat until Armageddon if you like, change it up...does the C major scale still work for you if you play it over C, F, and Gm?  If not, why?  Try the C pentatonic scale over a diatonic chord progression in F#.  Do you like it?  If not just slide your scale around until you find something that speaks to you.  

Above all, remember Frank Zappa's advice, "The ultimate rule ought to be: if it sounds GOOD to you it's bitchin'.  If it sounds BAD to you, it's sh*tty" Wink

Have fun!
Dennis


Edited by The.Crimson.King - April 03 2016 at 16:20
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