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    Posted: October 26 2017 at 11:17
No particular order, just as I thought of them, although I guess I though of Farwell My Concubine first as that's what first got me really interested in Chinese cinema, and then I got really big on Zhang Yimou, and Ang Lee's Eat Drink Woman etc. I'm forgetting lots, and in the 90s especially I was very into Chinese cinema (my biggest so-called art house phase whatever one thinks of the term, as many films art house outside their countries of origin were mainstream at home). I haven't included early ones since I was getting most of these on video in the day, and various of these I've seen in the cinema, and this was what was available and I was into. Generally I'm not so into martial arts action movie type stuff, but have included a little.

I could think of lots more if I put time into research to remember, but I won't put much effort into this list, and the list is merely a jumping-off point for discussion.

Multiple choice enabled and please mention your favourites.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2017 at 12:05
Incidentally, I don't know if any of you have come across Frame Within Frames, but I've watched of the videos and find them interesting.

Here's the Take on In the Mood For Love (spoilers obviously, so I don't recommend if you haven't seen the film).



{it's one of my favourite films that I've seen in the cinema as a new release, incidentally} Opps, vid I embedded cut out too soon, so an earlier upload of it just in case anyone here would want to see it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2017 at 14:02
Hi,

 Here's a small list of some of my reviews of Chinese films, besides Zhang Yimou and Ang Lee

Remember that many of these were caught off the Portland International Film Festival, and it is not likely that some of these will be found easily enough.

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Zhao Xiaowen -- "Ermo"
Yue Lu -- "Mr. Zhao"
Ye Daying -- "Red Cherry"
He Ping -- "Red Firecracker, Green Firecracker"
Chen Kaige -- "Temptress Moon" ... probably better than "Farewell My Concubine". "Yellow Earth" is very nice.
Zhang Yimou -- "To Live" is probably his best film, although some might not like the historical point of view and suggestive politics.
Joan Chen -- Xiu Xiu

20 years ago, I would get lucky finding some videos in stores, but those don't exist anymore, and places like Netfudger is not interested in Yimou's or any other "art films". Or at least films that show up consistently on Film Festivals which is where I look for things these days, and hope to find them so I can see them and review.

However, so far, the Internet has been absolutely horrible about showing foreign films and the perfect example is Japan ... it's all anime, and not a single Kurosawa film ... it's down right embarassing!

China would probably do a lot better in film, if things were not so heavily censored and people were not so scared of saying something incorrect or at least not politically correct and film has been notorious for making many of those suggestions. Hopefully, things will get better, but it looks like they are squeezing the noose even more nowadays.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2017 at 14:05
I'm just now realizing I've never seen a single Chinese movie. Lots of Japanese and a few Korean but never Chinese. Might have to rectify that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2017 at 14:26
^ There are plaety of great Chinese language films.

Mosh: I will read your reviews later. I'm kicking myself that I did not recall some of those names you mentioned (don't think I've seen Ermo, but I have seen all of the others. Vancouver has been a pretty good place for finding such stuff).

As I love Zhang Yimou, and it was a partially because of him that I did film studies, I meant to include To Live (I think my favourite of his is Red Sorghum). Also, I had a crush on Gong Li which my wife would also tease me about. The one one your list that I most regret not including is Red Firecracker, Green Firecracker -- I adored that film. Maybe I'll edit my choices a bit later (as it's multiple choice and I don't expect much interest, it shouldn't matter). Temptress Moon I saw in the movie theatre, liked it a lot, but I personally prefer Farewell my Concubine. Also saw Xiu Xiu in the theatre. We do have a good film festival here, but we have some theatres that specialise in foreign art house pictures (like 5th Avenue Cinemas for those from here). Since I moved farther out and had kids, I stopped going regularly to watch these films (sad). The local theatre where I live plays about half Punjabi/ Hindi films, but I haven't been to any of those. I don't think they're aimed at the art house crowd.

Netflix Canada has way less content than the US, and is poor when it comes to showing non-English language films (and generally films from outside the US). Very disappointed in that. I love Japanese film, partially cause I worked in Japan as a teacher twenty years ago, and I wish there were more on Netflix (and elsewhere).

Netflix Canada does have Kuroswa's Kagumusha on it. And I enjoyed Tagged, but it's hardly a classic (more splatter than high-brow). From China it's mostly mainstream romantic comedies and action movies. South Korea has had a few I've liked, like The Host and Train to Busan, but not art house oriented. They did have Oldboy at one time, I seem to think, which I love.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 26 2017 at 15:36
A post of regrets, putting it out here as a reminder of things to change:

It's rather sad to think that in the 90s and into the 2000s I was exposed to so much great cinema, and that became a trickle later on despite subscribing to Netflix, despite more cable channels, despite youtube, dailymotion and other video streaming sites.   Part of it had to do with where I lived, The North Shore of Vancouver had great libraries with tons of videos (and DVDs later) and we had a few really good cinemas in Vancouver. The video stores while they existed, there were some really great ones where I could get anything with huge numbers of such films. Then we moved South of Vancouver and the library was lousy and I didn't get out to the Vancouver theatres so much. I stopped picking up the Georgia Strait (a newspaper which had reviews of all these films that came to town).

I mean maybe I watched too many films and for a time I was writing reviews for a "local" newspaper off and on. And maybe forums kind of took over.

We have film clubs in Vancouver, and I plan to make the trek from Delta to join some of these (harder with kids). This is one passion that my wife and I have shared, so I miss not watching such things more. We used to see a lot of Chinese. Japanese, French, Spanish etc. films and was so exciting when I first got to know directors such as Zhang Yimou, Kieslowski, Chen Kaige, Lars von Trier, Shohei Imamura, Juzo Itami, Almodovar, Bigas Luna, Holland, Jeunet et Caro etc. I guess my biggest finds in more recent ears have been South Korean directors such as Park Chan-wook and Bong Joon-ho.

Yeah, I watched a lot of movies, but I'm more of a couch potato now than I was then. I was always busy (working, hiking, biking, studying, watching movies, going to parties, living it up). Just got disconnected somewhere.... I'm passionate about film, and want to make the effort to go to the film festivals more, meet up with people to discuss them afterwards, and leave my kids at home and make more time for my wife so that we can do this stuff again more, because dinner and a movie was such a pleasure. Nowadays we stay at home and search Netflix but rarely find anything that we'll both enjoy or really want to see (and since the kids are around, I don't want to expose them to certain content -- though i have been watching Black Mirror and Death Note with my daughter and do look forward to Stranger Things).

Time to start living life to the fullest again (and stop posting nonsense such as this post).

Incidentally, what attracted me about a filmmaker such as Zhang Yimou was the cinematography (he was cinematographer on Yellow Earth, btw). There'a formalism that I love and these almost static beautiful scenes such as the sorghum blowing in the wind in Red Sorghum. Ju Dou was my favourite of his back in the day. He had a big effect on what direction I thought I wanted to take (things didn't work out as planned, and now I'm here....)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2017 at 22:41
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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Incidentally, what attracted me about a filmmaker such as Zhang Yimou was the cinematography (he was cinematographer on Yellow Earth, btw). There'a formalism that I love and these almost static beautiful scenes such as the sorghum blowing in the wind in Red Sorghum. Ju Dou was my favourite of his back in the day. He had a big effect on what direction I thought I wanted to take (things didn't work out as planned, and now I'm here....)

This idea also came out in a lot of reviews about "Raise the Red Lantern" ... and I think it was intentional. The cinematography in this film, kinda did not move at all, let's say that it was stuck on a tripod.

When you compare this to much later, like "Shanghai Triad", when he had at least one camera moving and in someone's hands, and no tripod around for anyone to lean on ... is a real treat ... and also, for me, a wonderful idea of HOW FAR a lot of Chinese Film has come ... it was no longer a traditional art form, that was done this way and that ... it had become wide open, for a while ... which I think has been closed down somewhat in the past 10 years, however, I have not been able to see/find many films to catch since the video stores died.

I'm not sure, however, that Yimou can do something like Christopher Doyle, though, who is all about handheld work and then some ... but I have not seen "Hero" at all ... but Yimou, started using some hand held stuff way back when to help show "more emotion" in the acting, than before, with a camera that was mostly still, and the angles/positioning would not help the emotional state of the moment in the film.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 29 2017 at 23:19
Chinese movies did have a marvelous rebirth in the '00s, especially the wuxia, among my faves were House of Daggers and Hero.   The Last Emperor and CTHD also superb.

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South Korea also doing great things in film now.





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2017 at 00:32
I enjoyed House of Daggers and Hero (I almost replaced Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon on my list after Moshkito mentioned various ones that I forgot but like more), but personally haven't got into the wuxia as much as you. For me it was particularly the early Zhang Yimou films Red Sorghum, Ju Dou and Raise the Red Lantern, plus The Story of Qiu Ju and To Live and others that really got me interested in and exploring Chinese cinema (for me his House of Flying Daggers and Hero aren't as emotionally resonant but visually very appealing). Being a fan fan of his, though, I've seen most of his filmography (from his hotorical dramas, to comedies, to his "martial heroes" films. Perhaps one on Zhang Yimou's filmography alone would have been good. As for The Last Emperor, good film, a British/ Italian co-production that was mostly in English as I recall.

As for South Korean films, other than Park Chan-wook and Bong Joon-ho films, I haven't explored Korean film that much (I became a fan of those two directors). My wife mostly watches Korean shows, incidentally. 2016s Train to Busan is one of my favourite zombie films.

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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

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Incidentally, what attracted me about a filmmaker such as Zhang Yimou was the cinematography (he was cinematographer on Yellow Earth, btw). There'a formalism that I love and these almost static beautiful scenes such as the sorghum blowing in the wind in Red Sorghum. Ju Dou was my favourite of his back in the day. He had a big effect on what direction I thought I wanted to take (things didn't work out as planned, and now I'm here....)


This idea also came out in a lot of reviews about "Raise the Red Lantern" ... and I think it was intentional. The cinematography in this film, kinda did not move at all, let's say that it was stuck on a tripod.

When you compare this to much later, like "Shanghai Triad", when he had at least one camera moving and in someone's hands, and no tripod around for anyone to lean on ... is a real treat ... and also, for me, a wonderful idea of HOW FAR a lot of Chinese Film has come ... it was no longer a traditional art form, that was done this way and that ... it had become wide open, for a while ... which I think has been closed down somewhat in the past 10 years, however, I have not been able to see/find many films to catch since the video stores died.

I'm not sure, however, that Yimou can do something like Christopher Doyle, though, who is all about handheld work and then some ... but I have not seen "Hero" at all ... but Yimou, started using some hand held stuff way back when to help show "more emotion" in the acting, than before, with a camera that was mostly still, and the angles/positioning would not help the emotional state of the moment in the film.



I haven't watched nearly as many Chinese films over the last ten years as I did the ten years before that (and I miss video stores). While I enjoy the formalism of those films, that there was more freedom to make films with different aesthetics was a good thing. I liked Not One Less where he used non actors, its sort of cinema verite style, and it is worlds apart from Raise the Red Lantern.

As for Chris Doyle, I love his cinematography in various Wong Kar-wai films, and actually in an Australian film called Rabbit Proof Fence.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2017 at 02:53
I have seen shamefully few of these, but loved Yellow Earth.
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i tried to watch some Legend of the Three kingdoms related storys about Liu Bei, Cao Cao. Think the saga is called The romance of the three kingdoms (Wei, Wu and Shu)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2017 at 17:06
I have a bit of an Hong Kong bias, so for this list I went with In the Mood for Love (never been into choosing "other" unless I'm not a fan of any of them). I even call my car "The Maggster".
I'm also big into fantasy wuxias, thus my actual fav Chinese language film is A Chinese Ghost Story (1987) with Leslie Cheung and Joey Wong. I NEVER get tired of watching that.

As for Zhang Yimou, this is going to seem a bit trite, but my favorite of his is believe it or not The Road Home. It's a beautiful little film, and it was nice to see Zhang Ziyi smile a lot, kind of a rare thing back in the early 00's. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 02 2017 at 22:01
Hero, but of those listed Crouching Tiger. I also like Legend of Drunken Master, which had some really crazy Jackie Chan stunts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2017 at 11:32
I have a lot of respect for Jackie Chan-- happen to like his movies too -- the 70s Drunken Master is a favourite of mine of his, but I haven't seen the Legend of Drunken Master.   I enjoy his combination of visual comedy and martial arts (he as said before that he is influenced by Buster Keaton). My wife's uncle, recently deceased, was called Drunken Master (though a drunkard, I'm not so sure about the master part).

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I have a bit of an Hong Kong bias, so for this list I went with In the Mood for Love (never been into choosing "other" unless I'm not a fan of any of them). I even call my car "The Maggster".
I'm also big into fantasy wuxias, thus my actual fav Chinese language film is A Chinese Ghost Story (1987) with Leslie Cheung and Joey Wong. I NEVER get tired of watching that.

As for Zhang Yimou, this is going to seem a bit trite, but my favorite of his is believe it or not The Road Home. It's a beautiful little film, and it was nice to see Zhang Ziyi smile a lot, kind of a rare thing back in the early 00's. 


I enjoyed The Road Home, it's another I saw in the movie theatre. The loving shots of the young and beautiful Zhang Yihi did come across as a little creepy to me at the time (very similar to the loving shots of Gong Li before that). That's probably the third last Chinese film I saw in the theatre (hardly ever go see movies now). While I haven't been as big on wuxia as most who have posted, I did love A Chinese Ghost Story -- and unlike some others on the list, I've seen it multiple times (glad people are mentioning others, cause I knew even for my tastes that my list would be really unsatisfying).

After working in Japan I really got big on East Asian cinema, and it was something that my wife and I could enjoy together. While there are many Chinese (China, Taiwan, Hong Kong) Japanese, South Korean, and Vietnamese films I like I never got into Philippine, Indonesian or Malaysian films in an meaningful way.

If you haven't seen 2046, it's well worth watching (very loosely a sequel to In the Mood for Love).



Not a Chinese film, but a film I really liked with Maggie Cheung is Irma Vep (I like it a lot more than most, but then as I wanted to be a filmmaker, I appreciated the metafilm qualities).

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 03 2017 at 14:34
Oh I loved Irma Vep, as the film plays like an adoration of Maggie Cheung herself, whom I was obsessed with back when I saw it, and not just for the scene in which she snoops around in black leather while a voluptuous naked Arsinée Khanjian argues on her phone.Tongue

As for 2046, I'm kinda mixed, although I loved the futuristic part featuring the gynoid played by Faye Wong. My favorite WKW flick is Chungking Express, even if "California Dreamin" gets stuck in my head for days afterwards.

My wife also like east asian flicks, thus during the late 90's/early 00's I used to peruse various Chinatowns and by cheap HK DVDs by the crateload. I have a bunch of them now in the basement with a few choice ones left upstairs. I kind of lost interest in Chinese cinema by the late 00's as stricter censorship and quota rules doled out by the mainland ruined much of the fun of HK films for me, along with the increasing reliance on cheap CGI.

I even like some of the frivolous romcoms (my wife really digs them) such as Chinese Odyssey 2002 and Love Undercover. Yeah, my tastes aren't all that highbrow...
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