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    Posted: March 07 2018 at 06:54
I'm no fan of guns, but this one time when I hope we don't have too much gun control.... I think this could be a very good addition to Proto Prog as a Prog related band with heavy and psychedelic qualities. Does anyone else like this band and think it would be a good addition? Would seem strange that it wouldn't have been considered at all before especially because of Three Man Army and Baker Gurvitz Army.

Gun's 1968 debut album has been one of my favourite psyche infused hardish rock albums for a couple of years, but didn't think to suggest it until now. I have done searches to see if it's been suggested before (and it has no ProgFreak chart entry), but have found nothing.

At least two of the related projects have entries in Prog categories: Three Man Army * in Crossover) and Baker Gurvitz Army * in Heavy Prog. Not that it matters for inclusion, but it is also Roger Dean related, as the Gun album features Roger Dean's first cover reputedly.

* Hypertext links (band names) above lead to the Progarchives entries.

The band released two studio albums in the late 60s: Gun (1968) and Gun Sight (1969), plus an archival 'studio" album was released called Reloaded in 2007.

See https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/gun

Originally posted by rateyourmusic rateyourmusic wrote:

Formed
1967, Redbridge, Greater London, United Kingdom
Disbanded
1970
Members
Paul Curtis [Paul Gurvitz] (guitar, bass, vocals), Gearie Kenworthy (bass, 1967-68), Tim Mycroft (keyboards, 1967-68), Louie Farrell (drums, 1967-69), Jon Anderson (vocals, 1967), Adrian Curtis [Adrian Gurvitz] (guitar, vocals, 1968-70), Pete Dunton (drums, 1969-70)
Related Artists
Baker Gurvitz Army, Bulldog Breed, The Graeme Edge Band, Please, Three Man Army
Also Known As
The Gun, The Knack [1965-67]
Genres
Hard Rock, Psychedelic Rock, Acid Rock


Here is the self-titled from 1968:



Gunsight from 1969:



From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gun_(band) (not sure why they use The in the name).

Originally posted by wikipedia wikipedia wrote:

The Gun were renamed in 1967 from The Knack, formed by guitarist/vocalist Paul Gurvitz (born Paul Anthony Gurvitz, 6 July 1944, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire - he was known by the surname Curtis until the early 1970s after which he returned to his original name Gurvitz). The Knack changed their name in the spring/summer of 1966, and the setup was Paul Curtis (Gurvitz) on guitar and vocals, Louie Farrell (born Brian John Farrell, 8 December 1947, Goodmayes, Essex) [1] (who had joined The Knack in mid 1966) on drums, Gearie Kenworthy on bass guitar (born 17 October 1946), Tim Mycroft organ (born 1948 died 2000), and later for a short while, Jon Anderson of Yes. The Gun performed at the UFO Club, supporting bands such as Pink Floyd, Arthur Brown and Tomorrow. Recording sessions at Olympic Studios produced the unreleased single "Lights on the Wall", while in November 1967 they recorded for the BBC alternative music radio programme Top Gear[1] and twice played on air. In early 1968 the band changed its line-up to a trio, with Paul Curtis (Gurvitz) on bass, Louie Farrell on drums and Adrian Curtis (Gurvitz) on guitar,

After being signed to CBS Records in early 1968, the band scored a hit with the opening track from their eponymous album (1968), "Race with the Devil". Issued as a single in October 1968, it reached the top 10 in its native UK, #35 on the Australian Singles Chart and no #1 in many UK territories (Go-Set) in March 1969.[2] Jimi Hendrix quoted the song's riff during his song "Machine Gun" at the Isle of Wight Festival in 1970.[3] "Race with the Devil" has been covered by Judas Priest (on the remastered CD version of Sin After Sin), Black Oak Arkansas (on their album Race with the Devil), Girlschool (on their album Demolition), and Church of Misery (on their 1996 demo, released as a split album with Acrimony, and on their full-length LP Vol. 1).

Their debut album's cover is noteworthy as it was the first by Roger Dean. Allmusic describes it as having a "distinctive psych-flavoured proto-metal" sound.[4] Their second album, Gunsight was released in 1969.

Despite releasing a number of other singles, and an attempt by their record label to identify them with the underground counter-culture,[1] the band had no further hits.


Here is the allmusic entry https://www.allmusic.com/artist/gun-mn0000646979/biography :

Originally posted by allmusic allmusic wrote:

This late-'60s high-powered U.K. trio had an interesting ancestry, as two of its members were the offspring of the Kinks’ irreverent and exuberant road manager Sam Curtis. Paul Curtis (aka Paul Gurvitz) and Adrian Curtis (aka Adrian Gurvitz) joined drummer Louie Farrell at a time when the boundaries between pop and progressive music were still a matter of hot debate. Gun were featured on John Peel’s influential BBC Radio show Top Gear, and enjoyed a strong chart hit with the driving, riff-laden "Race with the Devil" in 1968, which was uncannily similar to Moby Grape’s "Can’t Be So Bad." Uncertain of their appeal in the pop market, they came unstuck with their follow-up, the frantic "Drives You Mad," and when "Hobo" also flopped, it was clear that their chart days were over. Their record label attempted to market them as counterculture heroes with advertisements proclaiming "the revolutionaries are on CBS," but Gun failed to establish themselves as album artists. After dissolving Gun, Adrian and Paul Gurvitz formed Three Man Army. After three albums they teamed up with Ginger Baker to form the Baker Gurvitz Army. In 1982, Adrian Gurvitz achieved a surprise U.K. Top Ten hit with "Classic."

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2018 at 08:54
Wow. I literally just listened to the debut album two nights ago. Excellent album and in many ways 10 years ahead of its time.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 07 2018 at 11:04
Love Gun (not Love Gun). Fits Proto perfectly
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 08 2018 at 12:47
^^ That is a coincidence.

Thanks for the comments. I think the debut is wonderful with varied textures and contrasts, and a progressiveness about it.

The second is good too and sure can rock hard, but the first is really special to me.

I was trying to find some archival concert footage of Gun when Jon Anderson was on vocals.

I should have included this info in the opening post from http://www.paulgurvitz.com/Bios/bio-thegun.html

It's too long to quote in full here, and as it's copyright, an excerpt will have to do under fair dealing/ fair use policies.

Just because anything Yes-related is big in PA generally-speaking, this is excerpted from the Paul Gurvitz site:

Originally posted by paulgurvitz.com paulgurvitz.com wrote:

...In early 1968 the Gun briefly expanded to a sextet with the recruitment of Paul's brother Adrian on second guitar and lead vocalist Jon Anderson, though Paul is at pains to remember why they needed another frontman considering the wealth of vocal talent inherent within the band. Adrian had recently played very briefly in Felius Andromeda (though after the release of the classic 'Meditations' 45) whilst Jon had had quite a busy career so far, with a considerably long sting with the Warriors. Upon his return from the final Warriors gigs in Germany he'd then enjoyed a fleeting leadership of the emergent Open Mind, at a time when they - like the Gun - were playing some of the Capital's prime psychedelic haunts. He then successfully auditioned for the Gun but his association with our heroes was short lived as his vocal style wasn't really suited to the increasing volume and power of the group's repertoire, and the liaison only lasted a few gigs. It would appear Jon's membership of the band ran concurrent with his solo activities as Hans Christian when two Parlophone singles were released during March - May 1968, though it's difficult to be absolutely certain without trawling through a million Yes sites and accounts. After his time with the Gun her certainly began to figure in the legendary Mabel Greer's Toyshop...


The following is from an interview with Jon Anderson at http://www.psychedelicbabymag.com/2011/11/jon-anderson-interview.html

Klemen Breznikar: " Later you also appeared with a band called Gun (I made an interview with Paul Gurvitz about it) and The Open Mind. Were you part of the 1969 album, that Open Mind released? In my humble opinion that’s a psychedelic masterpiece…"

Jon Anderson: "No... they had fired me from the band, before that album, I got the band a gig with the Who at the Marquee club , I said we would play for free, but the brothers didn't like me for doing that...I just wanted the exposure for the Gun...but they wanted money, so the fired me...la la la"

And I neglected to include the aftermath section from wikipedia on Gun:

Originally posted by wikipedia.com wikipedia.com wrote:

....After a short time working separately, the Gurvitz brothers formed Three Man Army in 1971 and recorded three albums.

Between 1974 and 1976, Three Man Army became the Baker Gurvitz Army with Ginger Baker, the former drummer for Cream, in the line-up.[1] The trio recorded three albums: Baker Gurvitz Army, Elysian Encounter and Hearts On Fire. During the same period, the Gurvitz brothers recorded two albums under the name The Graeme Edge Band, with drummer Graeme Edge of The Moody Blues: Kick Off Your Muddy Boots and Paradise Ballroom. It was not a touring band, and also featured Baker. Paul Gurvitz now tours as the Paul Gurvitz and the New Army.


And here's Gun at planetalien (hard on the eyes, my first site I created looked much the same): http://www.planetalien.co.uk/Main.htm

And here is adraingurvitz site: http://www.adriangurvitz.com/discography/

Anyway, what a great time the late 60s were for music. Music was changing so fast.

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