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    Posted: September 02 2018 at 21:54
as is common knowledge VdGG split up after "Pawn Hearts", but it is known that two songs from the following 2 PH solo albums were intended to be on the follow-up album to it, "(In the) Black Room" and "A Louse Is Not a Home". so what could this follow-up album (let's call it "The Silent Corner in the Shadow of the Night") have looked like?

well, there are in my opinion 3 other songs on these two PH solo albums that have a VdGG feel to them, and they all have the whole band playing on them: "Rock and Rôle", "Red Shift" (with Randy California guesting on guitar) and "Forsaken Gardens", so let's throw them in, and we get this:

The Silent Corner in the Shadow of the Night

track list:

side 1:

(In the) Black Room 10:56

A Louse Is Not a Home 12.13

side 2:

Rock and Rôle 6:41

Forsaken Gardens 6:15

Red Shift 8:11

Total time: 44:16

I would give this album 4.5 stars. what are your thoughts on this?



Edited by BaldJean - September 03 2018 at 15:19


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The Silent Corner And The Empty Night - Can't pretend I'm not far more fond of of Silent Corner - only the exceptional The Black Room/Tower is on par with anything sans Rubycon on its successor imo. And while The Lie doesn't feature the whole band its exactly the sort of track my lost VdGG-album needs.

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Red Shift 8:11

A Louse Is Not a Home 12.13

side 2:

Forsaken Gardens 6:25

The Lie (Bernini's Saint Theresa) 5:47

The Black Room/Tower 11:02

-which would be an obvious five star.
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Well, if we are going to play this game, might as well go all out with all the long tracks on PH albums around this time:

1. Flight
2. A Louse Is Not A Home
3. In The Black Room/Tower
4. Gog/Magog (In Bromine Chambers)

Sounds like a fiver to me. 
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I love this period of Vdgg and Hammill, and I've always put

(In the) Black Room/The Tower
A Louse is Not a Home
The Comet The Course and The Tail
Faint Heart And The Sermon
Gog/Magog

as my "lost" vdgg album
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I decided to "create" this album; here it is:


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Why are the tracks from In Camera not eligible for this??
 
it seems that a few of those could be eligible for the lost album.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Why are the tracks from In Camera not eligible for this?? 
 
it seems that a few of those could be eligible for the lost album.
good question I guess its more of an album where none of the songs were ever intended for a Vdgg release? As much as I love it and although there's space for the lovely Again on the A-side I'd still only swap The Lie for The Cometh... I think

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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Why are the tracks from In Camera not eligible for this??
 
it seems that a few of those could be eligible for the lost album.

because "In Camera" does not have Jackson and Banton playing on it. I only chose tracks that could have been on a VdGG album the way they were recorded, with all band members playing. else "Gog / Magog (In Bromine Chambers)" would have been an excellent VdGG track though and was often played live by the band (at least the "Gog" part)


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Why are the tracks from In Camera not eligible for this??
 
it seems that a few of those could be eligible for the lost album.

because "In Camera" does not have Jackson and Banton playing on it. I only chose tracks that could have been on a VdGG album the way they were recorded, with all band members playing. else "Gog / Magog (In Bromine Chambers)" would have been an excellent VdGG track though and was often played live by the band (at least the "Gog" part)
 
I figured that afterwards, but it's got Chris Judge Smith playing
 
Listening currently to your (or their) lost album, BTW
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I'm not sure that PH is one for keeping things away and not doing them one way or another. It seems to me that he gets everything he writes out in his albums or the band's.

I'm a great fan of "Silent Corner, Empty Stage", and it is one album that has always been a stand out for me, and then some. It probably has some personal meaning or other for me, but it is the album that really got my feelings going, not that "H to He" did not do so, either. 

After those 2 albums, "Godbluff" and "Still Life", that originally we were told would have been a double album, btw, are both on my love it list. During that time, the solo albums are all outstanding, and very valuable for my experience.
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Wasn't there a real lost album called "Iceberg"?
 
Anybody knows what was supposed to be on it?
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

I decided to "create" this album; here it is: (...)
 

Nice work!
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Tracks selected here are spot-on !! Add to that a pristine recording of Roncevaux and we have perfection
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I dig what you are doing and the intent there Jean.. but take this for what it is worth from me whose views on this band are well known, and not exactly positive.
 
include one of the best things they ever did, and not counting being a later bonus track, unreleased Squid1/Squid2/Octopus

a track so awesome that even a avowed VDGG 'whateverist' like me absolutely loves

even one who strongly considers this band to be the fathers of mediocre prog, 

ie.. prog for prog's sake
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^ I don't remember being particularly impressed by that song when I got their albums. Perhaps the bad sound didn't help me to apreciate it.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ I don't remember being particularly impressed by that song when I got their albums. Perhaps the bad sound didn't help me to apreciate it.

Bad sound is in my opinion never a reason not to appreciate a song or album. Sound is absolutely secondary; what counts is the music and only the music.


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Never heard of the lost Iceberg


Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Tracks selected here are spot-on !! Add to that a pristine recording of Roncevaux and we have perfection


Actually, you're not far from spot on

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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Bad sound is in my opinion never a reason not to appreciate a song or album. Sound is absolutely secondary; what counts is the music and only the music.
 
A bad sound on a great song is extremely frustrating. This was the case for Blackroom on the vinyl version of Time Vaults, one of my favourite VdGG tracks and not replaceable by the version on Peter Hammill's Chameleon In The Shadow Of The Night. Fortunately, the sound on the CD version of Time Vaults is greatly improved.
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ I don't remember being particularly impressed by that song when I got their albums. Perhaps the bad sound didn't help me to apreciate it.

Bad sound is in my opinion never a reason not to appreciate a song or album. Sound is absolutely secondary; what counts is the music and only the music.


Yeah, fair enough. But still, there are times I need to listen to a song several times before I can really get it, and thus know if I like it or not. And if the sound quality is bad enough, I might just not be motivated to give it the necessary listens. Besides, if I do get to find out I like the song, but the sound quality is so bad that it prevents me to enjoy the song, and that's the only version to be found, well, that would be even more frustrating than just not liking it at all.
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

Originally posted by BaldFriede BaldFriede wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

^ I don't remember being particularly impressed by that song when I got their albums. Perhaps the bad sound didn't help me to apreciate it.

Bad sound is in my opinion never a reason not to appreciate a song or album. Sound is absolutely secondary; what counts is the music and only the music.


Yeah, fair enough. But still, there are times I need to listen to a song several times before I can really get it, and thus know if I like it or not. And if the sound quality is bad enough, I might just not be motivated to give it the necessary listens. Besides, if I do get to find out I like the song, but the sound quality is so bad that it prevents me to enjoy the song, and that's the only version to be found, well, that would be even more frustrating than just not liking it at all.
 

Bad sound quality can also obscure little details of the recording, making it seem inferior than it actually is (or at the very least not allow you to have an informed opinion). 
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