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In the era of politically correct overkill, Borat needs to get the chop too. Not for being PI, but for being politically not funny. We need all the good political jokes we can get nowadays.


Recently caught the second Borat installment, and it was a laugh riot. Still enjoy him praising America's "war of terror" at the rodeo in the first flick the most.
yeah, I have to agree that the first movie was a blast. Perhaps it became too overplayed, with everyone walking around going "very nice" in the Borat accent. But I'll give it a shot. I need a laugh.
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I see a lot of albums here that people like but don't really love. Take Tormato by Yes. A decent album and better than the bashing it got upon release, but it, like others, never morphed into a classic. Are there any of those around?
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The first two Yes albums and the first four Genesis albums. :P
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

I see a lot of albums here that people like but don't really love. Take Tormato by Yes. A decent album and better than the bashing it got upon release, but it, like others, never morphed into a classic. Are there any of those around?

I don't disagree with what you said about Tormato but I think you could say the same about TFTO even though it has more of a cult following than Tormato. 
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I see a lot of albums here that people like but don't really love. Take Tormato by Yes. A decent album and better than the bashing it got upon release, but it, like others, never morphed into a classic. Are there any of those around?


I don't disagree with what you said about Tormato but I think you could say the same about TFTO even though it has more of a cult following than Tormato. 
I was just using Tormato as a single example. But I'm sure that TFTO is viewed by some as a masterpiece. I look more at Relayer in that light myself. ;)
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:


I see a lot of albums here that people like but don't really love. Take Tormato by Yes. A decent album and better than the bashing it got upon release, but it, like others, never morphed into a classic. Are there any of those around?


I don't disagree with what you said about Tormato but I think you could say the same about TFTO even though it has more of a cult following than Tormato. 
I was just using Tormato as a single example. But I'm sure that TFTO is viewed by some as a masterpiece. I look more at Relayer in that light myself. ;)

I saw on ranker or on one of those similar websites where the topic was bands with 5 great albums. For Yes they listed TYA, Fragile, 90125, CTTE and relayer. That sounds about right. Those are their most popular albums anyway.
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

And The There Were Three and ELP's Works 2.

Very unfairly maligned. Prog fans calf love for departing guitarists influenced 'judgment'. Poor little Nemos.

The diversity of ELP2 is terrific. Jazz, folk, rock, classical. Maybe Works  1 and 2 needed reshuffling.
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

ELP's Works 2.



The diversity of ELP2 is terrific. Jazz, folk, rock, classical. Maybe Works  1 and 2 needed reshuffling.

The major issue is that was a 'left-overs' album including even stuff from the 1973 Brain Salad Surgery sessions.

Work Volume One was a valid statement but they had nowhere to go after that.

In terms of reshuffling , I would take off Fanfare from Vol One and switch it with 3 tracks
Greg Lake - I Believe In Father Christmas (although preferably orchestral version)
Keith Emerson - Barrelhouse Shakedown
Carl Palmer - Close But Not Touching

that would retain the integrity of Vol One being an orchestral album. Fanfare was always a little bit out of place imo.
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Has anyone mentioned a Passion Play

...I understand some of the criticism, but I really don't think this album is that far behind TAAB quality wise. Tons of super creative ideas and arrangements, I think its just more challenging and inaccessible compared to TAAB which is full of memorable melodies and hooks to latch on where APP is perhaps a bit more dark, eclectic and free flowing at times.


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I only come late to this thread; I had avoided it because I normally don't know what treatment albums get initially - at the time I read the music press and followed reviews upon release, mainly  in the 80s and early 90s, there wasn't that much prog talked about anyway.

Anyway, some nice stuff is mentioned here, I do remember Under Wraps having a hard time and I am among those who apart from the drums like that album. Bill Bruford's Earthworks is another nice mention, although I seem to remember that some stuff I read and heard was quite positive about it at the time. The far too low rating on PA is another matter of course. 

Fear Inoculum and Heritage are surely fine albums - no idea what professional reviewers thought/think of them.

My personal nomination is Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen album, which is sharp, original, and hugely enjoyable for me, and neither PA reviewers seem to like it, nor was it a success at the time as far as I remember, although I don't remember reviews slaughtering it.
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Originally posted by Lewian Lewian wrote:

My personal nomination is Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen album, which is sharp, original, and hugely enjoyable for me, and neither PA reviewers seem to like it, nor was it a success at the time as far as I remember, although I don't remember reviews slaughtering it.

That is a fine nomination!  I saw LOG in concert in Chicago, and thought they were excellent! 
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The two most criminally underated albums on here for me are the Menel-era IQ albums. They're where I came in to IQ and I love them both so much. I KNOW they're not as oroggy as everything else the band have done, but they're still great albums😎
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

Has anyone mentioned a Passion Play

...I understand some of the criticism, but I really don't think this album is that far behind TAAB quality wise. Tons of super creative ideas and arrangements, I think its just more challenging and inaccessible compared to TAAB which is full of memorable melodies and hooks to latch on where APP is perhaps a bit more dark, eclectic and free flowing at times.
  
I agree. Taken in historical context, A Passion Play is a remarkable album for having been released in 1973. It took a lot of balls for Tull to release Thick as a Brick, with no real single and just continuous music for a whole album, but it was considerably ballsier for Tull to release APP a year afterward. Got to give it to Tull and Ian Anderson for sticking to what they believed in and what they wanted to release (even to the point of abandoning the Chateau d'Hérouville sessions and redoing the whole thing).
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Originally posted by essexboyinwales essexboyinwales wrote:

The two most criminally underated albums on here for me are the Menel-era IQ albums. They're where I came in to IQ and I love them both so much. I KNOW they're not as oroggy as everything else the band have done, but they're still great albums😎

Nomzamo suffers from a horrible typical tinny 80's production sound. There are 3 stand up tracks (No Love Lost , Human Nature and the WW1 song I forget the name). The first 2 are much better on the Forever Live set with Nicholls back in the fold. I do like AYSC though. A proper immersive experience , better (warmer) production and Menel's lyrics are top notch even if more 'pop' orientated. However there are no Pete Nicholls IQ albums that I would rate below them.
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Originally posted by A Crimson Mellotron A Crimson Mellotron wrote:

'To the Bone', people were already dismissing it based on some news and a few singles... And it is a very solid progressive pop album, never got why it gets so much hate.
Totally agree but it helps to hear the songs performed live.
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