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Tuzvihar 
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Posted: March 18 2006 at 16:33 |
Does anybody else know this album by Carlos Santana & John McLaughlin? I adore it! It's very spiritual. Do you think it's prog? 
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: March 18 2006 at 20:14 |
Nobody knows it? 
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 18 2006 at 20:24 |
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I heard it once.....back in the seventies.
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AngelRat
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 04:59 |
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I have that album. Not bad at all...
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Chicapah
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 12:22 |
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I have it on vinyl and bought itwhen it came out in the 70s. At the time I was listening to a lot of Mahavishnu Orchestra and Santana's wonderful Caravanseri album. I look at it as a moment in time that captured both guitarists in the throes of their spiritual awakenings and they play together as if intertwined in the very same trance or plane of consciousness. I haven't listened to it in years and I have to say I must be in a rare mood to listen intently. It is an amazing display of guitar virtuosity and I would definitely say it is prog but in the jazz fusion category. I'm glad there are listeners out there like you who can appreciate its uniqueness.
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Tuzvihar
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 15:35 |
Thank you Chicapah for your enlightening and kind words. I love especially the third piece - 'The Life Divine'. The guitar work by Santana in that composition, when he holds a single note for tens of seconds, sends shivers down my spine. Maybe we should add it to the database?
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"Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent."
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salmacis
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 15:52 |
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I always very much enjoyed it- both McLaughlin and Santana were on peak form at this point and it shows in the record as they try to outdo each other with awe inspiring guitar solos. Yet, the album is somewhat gratuitous and unwieldly that led to some damning reviews. The subject matter and tone may have turned many off; the relentless soloing means it's arguably one record that must have inspired a whole new wave of people to go back to basics and just play 3 chord rock again. For all that, I think it's a great album, but I can understand why some don't like it.
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kenmeyerjr
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Posted: March 19 2006 at 23:53 |
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I have it and love it to death...in fact, at least for now, it is the only Santana album I have (bought it because of McLaughlin). Now, I do know I need to get a ton of Santana (have had a lot in the past), but really love Mahavishnu, so had to pick this up.
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Chicapah
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Posted: March 20 2006 at 10:22 |
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There are 2 albums by Santana that are in that atmosphere. Both Caravanserai and Barboletta are good listens. And, yes, I agree that they should be included in the prog data base as jazz fusion. His later stuff is obviously intended to pad his IRA account but, for a while there in the 70s, he was taking his music into some unknown realms and it was fun to follow him there.
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oliverstoned
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 05:38 |
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It's a big Jazz rock classic!
Beautiful version of a Coltrane's "Love supreme"!
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 12:07 |
I have that album, jazz and prog passages we could hear on it...
is a very great album i think... i thought on it last year, im glad to see now people wants it in the archives
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 03:50 |
SANTANA rules
LDS is a master of an album and one of the reasons of my infatuation with John Coltrane
Santana's album with Coltrane's widow Alice called Illuminations issimply superb also
Caravansera, Borboletta are also 5*
The first three albums are fantastic
Festival, Moonflower and Oneness are at least 3,5 stars
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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oliverstoned
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 05:16 |
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Agree!! (you forgot to quote "Lotus" (live Japan 74))
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Posted: March 23 2006 at 06:58 |
[QUOTE=Tuzvihar]Thank you Chicapah for your enlightening and kind words.
I love especially the third piece - 'The Life Divine'. The guitar work by Santana in that composition, when he holds a single note for tens of seconds, sends shivers down my spine.
Maybe we should add it to the database?[/QUOTE]
Only if you are prepared to provide the whole of Santana and John McLaughlin's discographies - which I would support. As a parallel Jerry Goodman & Jan Hammer's Like Children has been added in isolation and is just a one-off album. Now there is a separate and far more comprehensive Jan Hammer entry and I'm not far from completing a Jerry Goodman entry, so I feel the Jerry Goodman & Jan Hammer section will soon become redundant, but whatever is done there is a risk of duplication (even triplication) of album entry in PA
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