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combat hamster
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Topic: Is Prog a Band or Songs? Posted: April 03 2006 at 10:06 |
Hi People,Just joined here, What a great site.
I have been browsing through the site and noticed a few things,Firstly
i've noticed some bands that i would not call Prog bands,ie
Queen,Beatles etc,but have had a few prog songs.So i was thinking being
a huge Alice Cooper & Sensational Alex Harvey Band fan why these
bands are not in here.
Halo of Flies,Killer,etc by Alice Cooper & Faith Healer by S.A.H.B. would have to be considered prog would'nt they??.
So is it the bands that are prog or just the songs.
Have Fun
Combat Hamster
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 10:11 |
Welcome!
Alice Cooper could be considered to be prog related because of some songs, but he hasn't made an album full of such songs. For example, Killer contains the quite progressive Halo of Flies, but also the AC/DC like Be My Lover.
Edit: To answer your topic more precisely: IMO prog is neither band nor songs, but "album".
Edited by MikeEnRegalia
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ANDREW
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 10:23 |
Many non-prog bands in the past made some prog songs/albums, (BLACK SABBATH's "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath" for example), but they can be considered prog artists. Other examples:
- IRON MAIDEN - "Seventh Son Of A Seventh Son" (1988)
- JUDAS PRIEST - "Rocka Rolla" (1974) - a mediocre progressive rock album with some blues touches
- LED ZEPPELIN - "Houses Of The Holy" (1973)
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combat hamster
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Posted: April 03 2006 at 21:55 |
I have read your replies and agree with what your saying.So why are'nt Alice Cooper(the group) & S.A.H.B. included???.
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Joolz
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 14:04 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
To answer your topic more precisely: IMO prog is neither band nor songs, but "album". |
Just noticed this thread. Does it not hit upon a fundamental issue?
Surely, the question is not "what is Prog - song, album, artist?" but
"How does the database define what-is-Prog?".
What is the basic Entity in the database? From what I have seen it
would appear to be 'Artist' - the database classifies the
artist, and thus ALL their material is also thus classified. For
example, The Moody Blues are on this DB as Proto-Prog, but this
actually only applies to one or two of their albums at most - the rest
of the time they are, well, something else.
So surely this is a basic flaw in the structure of the DB, or at least in the method with which you evaluate something new to be added? At present,
once an artist has been accepted, then all their albums are 'in', even
if most of them are not relevant. So, you have nearly 40 years worth of Moody Blues releases just for the sake of saying that those one or two early ones were in some way proto-Prog.
I must say that I disagree with adding all-and-sundry to ProgArchives on the basis of minor connections. Led Zeppelin were not Prog, they were hard rock but clearly had some proggish elements from time to time. The Beatles were not Prog, but they had some relevance to its gestation. The Rolling Stones ....... no!
In my opinion, you need to give some serious thought to the possibility of having simplified, or cut-down, entries for these kinds of artists.
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Atkingani
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 14:34 |
Joolz, there's a lot of suggestions on how to deal with proto-prog and prog-related. We're working on them; the common sense shall prevail in the end (I guess).
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