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    Posted: September 20 2006 at 10:15
I am making efforts to learn alone about music history of several genres of music (Jazz, Classical -modern and not, Prog, Avantgarde etc...).
 
I stumbled across this interesting piece of history which maybe some of you might find interesting:
it is about the (supposedly) first jazz critic article published in 1918.
 
 
 
 
Plus, there is a website created by Piero Scaruffi, upon whom you can read here - http://www.scaruffi.com/service/about.html
 
You can find history articles on all sorts of musical genres (jazz, 20th century classical music, rock, prog, pop, avantgarde etc...)
(he also writes about other matters than music).
 
 
Enjoy.
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 12:34

There is a tremendous number of print on paper publications out there (which I tend to trust more than the unrefereed  web publications) on the history of jazz. Even them you'll find bias kicking in, the best example of this in the last 5 years has been the self-appointed authority Ken Burns' Jazz (a book for the Wynton Marsalis approved TV series, i.e.

 
) - which simply doesn't cover jazz rock fusion.
 
One quick (but not so reliable) test of the breadth and depth of any jazz history is to check the index for the following names:
 
Soft Machine
Mahavishnu Orchestra
Allan Holdsworth
 
MO is the minimum requirement unless the author decided jazz died with Charlie Parker, and if one of the other two names are there then perhaps a hope of the author being less biassed then most.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 20 2006 at 17:46

I see. Well thanks for clearing that out, Dick.

I was just intrigued by that article but i always watch out from the sources I look into (hence the word I ised in my original post - Supposedly).

By the way, have you heard of Piero Scaruffi? He too seems to be a self-appointed music historian. Althuogh the bio which he presents shows that he has been in this for long and has published a few books on the matter:

He is probably more famous as a critic and historian of rock music, on which he has been writing for over 20 years for over 30 magazines worldwide (including a six-volume history of rock music, a guide to avantgarde music and an encyclopedia of electronica). His most recent book on this subject is "A History of Rock Music 1951-2000" (2003). He writes regularly about cinema, literature, science and travel. He travels regularly around the world: he had visited more than 100 countries. Pictures of his travels have been published by magazines and used by the BBC in its series "Waking the Dead".
He has been on the board of the art magazine
"Leonardo" (MIT Press).
He pioneered Internet-based journalism. In 1985 he created his first e-zine, distributed by e-mail over the Internet. Between 1986 and 1990 he created an online database, downloadable via ftp. That database mutated into his own website in 1995:
www.scaruffi.com.
 
 
But then again....
 
 
 
Anyway, it makes for an interesting read.
 
 

 

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how anyone can even dare to conceive of writing fusion out of jazz history is unfathomable............Wacko
 
 
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Originally posted by superprog superprog wrote:

how anyone can even dare to conceive of writing fusion out of jazz history is unfathomable............Wacko
 
 


There was great furore in the more liberal jazz press about the slanted view Burns,  that many people felt were at the behest of Wynton Marsalis, about this omission. In the TV documentary you get to Bitches Brew and then a jump to the Young Lions of the late 70's (which Marsalis was involved, and the restroation of so-called old tme jazz values: jazz is America's classical music, etc.  Burn's future of jazz was young trained musicians playing the old stuff - Stuart Nicholson's most recent book, Is Jazz Dead Or Moved To A New Address, delves deep into this territory.

BTW one remaining embarrassment for Wynton Marsalis  - if his brother playing jazz fusion behind Sting doesn't count - is his appearance playing jazz funk on a Stanley Clarke produced album Fuse One (originally released on vinyl by CTI and on CD with added tracks on Limelight).
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