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Poll Question: who were the better pressident father or Son
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^Perhaps when you get done getting the brown off your nose you could show me the post where I said a person should be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors....I stand by the fact george sr. was a nazi sympathizer, bigot and anti semite
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Some of the British royal family were Nazi sympathisers back in the day. I'm inclined to think Prince Philip probably still is.

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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

^Perhaps when you get done getting the brown off your nose you could show me the post where I said a person should be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors....I stand by the fact george sr. was a nazi sympathizer, bigot and anti semite


Why not criticize him for all the horrible things he did rather than speculating about his thoughts and motives?
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Points: 29625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 04 2011 at 19:01
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

But, one hundred years from now, the historians may paint a very different picture.

100 years from now historians will be some kind of strangely weird mutated freaks.  I believe they will look like this:
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 23996 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 05:18
^ One does not have to be a strangely weird mutated freak to look like this. Saddam Hussein would have looked quite the same if he had to hide for just a few more months.
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Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

^Perhaps when you get done getting the brown off your nose you could show me the post where I said a person should be held accountable for the actions of their ancestors....I stand by the fact george sr. was a nazi sympathizer, bigot and anti semite
 
Bill Clinton idiolized a violent segregationist and Woodrow Wilson was a white supremicist. 
What's your point?
What do the sins of the father have to do with the son/grandson?
 
And to answer the poll question: both were awful.  Presidents need to be judged in terms of the Constitutional authority they are granted.  A good President acts as a steward of the Constitution and no President has done that for ages.  Hell, Coolidge might have been the last.


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Points: 5319 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 14:44
^This was a poll and I made my choice and nowhere did I say anything about holding people accountable for father's sins, my point was George bush Sr. was a anti semite and probably more, I don't really care if you think I had no point, of course, as you stated, we would have to go back a long time to find a half decent president, including the present one who won a nobel peace prize for who knows what reason.
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The commanding general of an army occupying and bombing foreign countries doesn't deserve a prize for peace?  
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

The commanding general of an army occupying and bombing foreign countries doesn't deserve a prize for peace?  

Yes, he not only promised hope but in addition to that, change.
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

The commanding general of an army occupying and bombing foreign countries doesn't deserve a prize for peace?  

Yes, he not only promised hope but in addition to that, change.


Clearly. Campaign promises of hope and change clearly are necessary and sufficient conditions for peace.


Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 05 2011 at 14:57
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2011 at 15:20
No they aren't. You still need the multi-pop-artist song.
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

No they aren't. You still need the multi-pop-artist song.
 
 
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

H.W. was more honorable, and I use that word very reluctantly.  They are descendants from Nazi lovers.
http://www.rense.com/general42/bshnazi.htm


Bet one of your ancestors owned slaves.


I can say for an absolute fact mine never have Approve
So I'm now gunna say terrible things about people who's ancestors have! Cool
YOU ALL ARE VERY BAD PEOPLE! HOW DARE YOUR ANCESTORS DO THAT! YOU SHOULD PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID AND FEEL BAD.

And George HW Bush by miles.
While I can't say I was fan of his, or agreed overall with his philosophies, he wasn't that bad a President actually, and far better than wubya.
Also, I am pretty sure he was a bit more moderate then his Presidency let on.


My Mom's Dad was anti-Semitic, but not obsessively so.  I never heard him express pro holocaust views.  If any of my ancestors owned slaves, I am not aware of it.  My parents never indoctrinated us with racist views.  I married a black woman and if any of my living relatives had any problems with that I never heard it.


Well, of all the people to take that too seriously you were the last I expected.
And my ancestors came to the US from Italy and Ukraine, all poor and uneducated.
Gunna take a wild guess and say no slave owning lol
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Points: 8571 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 15:11
Originally posted by Henry Plainview Henry Plainview wrote:

 
Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

 
http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/bl-sarah-palin-quotes.htm?PS=224%3A6

Sarah Palin is never going to be president. And, as much as I hate the woman, I am willing to defend her on a few of those. She obviously just misspoke when she was talking about our North Korean allies, she spent the whole sentence before talking about North Korea and she slipped, it's incredibly unimportant. While she bombed the Katie Couric interview, she was not "unable" to name any newspapers she read, she was pissed that Katie was asking what was (in her mind) an inane question.


When you are humble and eloquent, most are willing to overlook missteps of articulation. But this is a shrill, inflammatory, divisive leviathan that lives on a media illuminated plane of logical fallacy rarely seen since the McCarthy era. There is little defensible about her. Though, I suppose a little music can make us forget anything.

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Points: 29625 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 06 2011 at 18:56
I like Sarah Palin much better with the sound track.  She needs it with her whenever she opens he mouth.  And no, I still will never vote for her.  It actually is a little creepy now that I think about it.


Kate Bush Big smile  I didn't like either of those Georges. I do like the cheerfully insane Georges though.

And now for something completely different:



Edited by Slartibartfast - January 06 2011 at 22:17
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

I like Sarah Palin much better with the sound track.  She needs it with her whenever she opens he mouth.  And no, I still will never vote for her.  It actually is a little creepy now that I think about it.
She's not aiming for people who think.  She speaks to Fox viewers and Teabaggers.
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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