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Posted: March 29 2014 at 07:27
Guldbamsen wrote:
Besides that, we would become a laughing stock if we started including soul and funk. It's not that these two forms of music can't be progressive, sure they can, but they're about as prog as Pere Ubu, who actually played rock which was progressive for it's day yet still has no business being on a prog site either.
Haha, I've actually argued in the past that Peru Ubu should be included at PA Those first three albums and early singles could've come straight out of Germany, for all their wild invention and experimentation. But yeah, let's just focus on the awesomeness of the bands and tunes, that was my intention all along, not to get bogged down in arguing over what constitutes the prog Canon, although that's a fascinating topic in its own right. I love those videos/music everyone's posting.
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 07:57
ExittheLemming wrote:
Do you actually think that Krautrock is Prog? (...)
Nope. It's a separate sub-genre of (progressive) rock music which have nothing to do with progressive rockBritish progressive rock movement but it was accepted by a part of progressive rock audience in 70s and later. That's why kraut is here (imo). Due to that acceptance it's here, not due to similarity with the progressive rock British progressive rock movement because there's not any similarity, especially in 70s. Now, contemporary prog is hybrid because the artists mixed different styles but that's another story.
Nope. It's a separate sub-genre of rock music which have nothing to do with pogressive rok but it was accepted by a part of progressive rock audience in 70s and later.
Right, so something that has nothing to do with progressive rock should be admitted to the Prog Archives because other music that also has nothing to do with progressive rock music is already on Prog Archives? Two wrongs = one right in your cramped kosmiche cul de sac matey?
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Posted: March 29 2014 at 08:21
ExittheLemming wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
ExittheLemming wrote:
Do you actually think that Krautrock is Prog?
Nope. It's a separate sub-genre of rock music which have nothing to do with pogressive rok but it was accepted by a part of progressive rock audience in 70s and later.
Right, so something that has nothing to do with progressive rock should be admitted to the Prog Archives because other music that also has nothing to do with progressive rock music is already on Prog Archives? Two wrongs = one right in your cramped kosmiche cul de sac matey?
Because of acceptance, I told you. A part of prog audience love to listen kraut and that's why kraut is here. That's all. And it's a good reason to be here imo. However, not all kraut is accepted by prog audience; there is some popish kraut which don't have a green light for addition in PA, as you know. That's why I said on the first page of this topic that progressive funk albums would be in a section which we could call e.g. " prog albums by non-prog bands". Well, funk bands wasn't able to experiment during all of their careers, later on they recorded more or less bullsh*t commercial music only, as disco funk and so on, mainly because of the record companies demands.
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 05:13
jude111 wrote:
Was listening to What's Going On the other day. This is as much a prog album as Dark Side of the Moon is
As in, not very prog... but no, Dark Side is closer to prog.
a concept album, a song cycle in which each song blends into the next one, culminating with a reprise from the opening track.
None of this has anything inherently to do with prog, although prog often features these things.
I don't expect them to be added, or for there to be a new genre added (prog funk? prog soul?), but it's interesting to think of these albums in terms of their relationship to prog.
There is definitely some relation, in that the groups and albums you're mentioning represent the "maximalist" form of r&b, whereas prog was the maximal form of rock. I like 70's soul a lot, but in some ways I consider the 60's the best period for it. Funk, not so much, but it's aight.
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 10:31
Speaking of Carpenters, their version of This Masquerade is quite beautiful. Lovely chords right after "We're lost inside this lonely game we play." Jazz-loving progheads might like.
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Posted: April 08 2014 at 11:19
Love "What's Going On"! It's got lots of progressive elements, and takes a lot of risks but I couldn't call it progressive rock really, because there's so many other genres in there (jazz, soul, funk, and obviously R&B). Probably what makes it such a masterpiece
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Marvin Gaye's What's Going On & P-Funk... prog?
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Guldbamsen wrote:
Those first three albums and early singles could've come straight out of Germany, for all their wild invention and experimentation. But yeah, let's just focus on the awesomeness of the bands and tunes, that was my intention all along, not to get bogged down in arguing over what constitutes the prog Canon, although that's a fascinating topic in its own right. I love those videos/music everyone's posting.
