Pawn Hearts vs. Larks Tongues
Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Polls
Forum Description: Create polls on topics related to progressive music
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=100049
Printed Date: April 27 2024 at 01:23
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Pawn Hearts vs. Larks Tongues
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: Pawn Hearts vs. Larks Tongues
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 07:46
|
Just wondering which you prefer. Both are respectively the band's most experimental album (in my opinion), and they're very closely rated. For me, LTIA is a masterpiece, but Pawn Hearts is just on another level. Thanks for any feedback
 |
Replies:
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 08:23
| Larks Tongue......... |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 08:26
|
A close call. Both albums are good, but somewhat overrated. Imho these belong somewhere in the middle of the 3.5-4 star range. I give my vote to Pawn Hearts because this album has one outstanding track: Man-erg.
------------- 
|
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 08:34
|
Tough call indeed, but I'll have to give it to Crimson. Both are very unique sounding albums though. Barking mad in each their own way....but always interesting and, in some instances, pioneering a certain frivolous and disjointed soul of rock music. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 08:40
|
Larks by miles for me ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 08:54
Larks Tongues............I do like VDGG but this is KC we are talking about. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 09:42
|
Larks. -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 09:47
|
I dig both bands, especially right at the time of both records.....but I have to go with Crimso. ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 09:50
Yes indeed.
|
twosteves wrote:Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 09:51
 ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 10:03
|
Pawn Hearts ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 10:15
|
Neither, so no vote. Two of my least favourite prog bands, I'm afraid. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: KingCrInuYasha
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 10:26
|
Can't decide. Both are quite impressive, though. ------------- He looks at this world and wants it all... so he strikes, like Thunderball! |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 10:39
| KC. I like VDGG but KC better than VDGG (IMO). |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:11
|
"LTiA." ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:22
|
LTIA by a slim margin. I love Lemmings and Man ERG from Pawn Hearts but never really got into Plague. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:32
|
Pawn Hearts by a massive margin. A top 10 fav album - up against a band that I've just never got! |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:43
Really...? So just curious....who are two of your most favorite prog bands? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 11:57
| Larks Tongues.. |
Posted By: Neu!mann
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 12:11
|
Lark's Tongues was a masterpiece of intent more than realization: I never felt the actual recorded album did justice to the radical departure of the music itself, as heard in Crimson's live performances from the era. Pawn Hearts seems to me even now a more uncompromising musical statement: Hammill and company didn't pull their punches in the studio the way Fripp and Crimson did. On stage I would go with the Crimson King every time, all the time. But when comparing the albums I'll usually reach for Pawn Hearts...at least today. Ask me again tomorrow and the answer might be different... ------------- "we can change the world without anyone noticing the difference" - Franco Falsini |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 12:12
| In my opinion, all prog collections, need to contain these two classic albums by these two classic prog groups. For me, a tough call. VDGG is definitely idiosyncratic in their musically approach and Pawn Hearts is to my ears their defining contribution. LTIA on the other hand is easily one of my favorite albums. It completely redefined KC and, again in my opinion, what could be done in the context of rock music. My call, LTIA. |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 12:18
|
Oh no, both are absolutely awesome. Can't choose. ------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 12:20
| The kings. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 12:36
| Van Der Graaf Generator - Pawn Hearts (4.42) by far |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 13:17
|
Lark's Tongues. I much prefer The Least We... and Godbluff over Pawn Hearts. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 13:24
Then get RED!! |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 13:28
|
Pawn Hearts is okay. Larks' Tongues is my favorite KC album. I know where my vote is going. ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 14:13
|
i have never heard of pawn hears outside of A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers (and man what a good epic), but i have heard more into Larks' for a couple of months now even though pretty much the whole album is brought down on Youtube (f**kin' bullsh*t!!) so my vote goes to Crimson. ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 16:42
I really like that King Crimson album. I tried many times to get into that VDGG album and failed  |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 16:54
|
Both grew to 5 star albums for me and without playing them I honestly can't vote so i'll try to spin these in the next couple of days. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 17:30
Camel first, with IQ and Genesis joint second. I also like Mostly Autumn, Strawbs, Riverside, Wishbone Ash, Gentle Giant, Pendragon, Marillion, Tull, Floyd, Yes, Gryphon, Horslips, Manfred Mann's Earthband, BJH, Rush, Focus, Iona and many other bands. But I never have "got" VDGG or KC. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 19:09
| Another vote for Lark's Tongues |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 19:23
| I cannot tolerate Hammil even in trace amounts .. LTIA, IMO, wasn't recorded too well, but otherwise it's one of the best albums out there. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 19:29
|
Pawn Hearts but its pretty damn close. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 21:37
| What makes hard for me to pick is that Fripp is on both albums. Collectively some of his greatest work, IMHO. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 22:45
I like all of those bands you listed and they are all more melodic straight ahead prog bands...except for GG. KC and VDGG can have some difficult passages in their material and can be abrasive at times. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 23:38
|
They lack an on-going melody that flies and soars on a keyboard - that would be my guess for why he dislikes them. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 21 2014 at 23:58
Can we please stop making polls in which I can't decide?  Both. I'm not choosing one over the other (even though my top 100 gun-against-my-head list suggests otherwise).
|
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: October 22 2014 at 00:30
/gun against your head. So, now what? Pawn Hearts sounds unearthly, represents Hammill well—mad, dark, brilliant. While Larks is great, upon repeated listens I can't stand it. I haven't heard it for 4-or-so months, but no desire yet!! ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: October 22 2014 at 01:22
|
VDGG were a more 'mental band' so I quite like them for it. KC were almost oppressive in their self conscious experimental way. WIth VDGG it just 'happens' and it is what it is. I vote VDGG!
but if Red was the choice I would vote for that
|
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 22 2014 at 01:30
|
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 22 2014 at 02:38
| I do prefer Lark's; in fact, it's my favorite KC; but Lizard is more experimental. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: October 22 2014 at 08:47
|
Both ------------- |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: October 22 2014 at 14:00
Or a guitar; but you're pretty well right. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 22 2014 at 14:06
|
Can't decide - love both |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: October 23 2014 at 21:26
Van der Graaf Generator, Pawn Hearts.------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: October 23 2014 at 21:40
|
Larks Tongue in Aspic. Great album, memorable title and cover. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: The Mystical
Date Posted: October 25 2014 at 18:43
|
Pawn Hearts by far. I have never quite understood the attraction to Larks Tongues in Aspic. ------------- I am currently digging: Hawkwind, Rare Bird, Gong, Tangerine Dream, Khan, Iron Butterfly, and all things canterbury and hard-psych. I also love jazz! Please drop me a message with album suggestions. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 26 2014 at 04:11
I'd say you're not really qualified to vote. Mine goes to Pawn Hearts but its two of my lasting favorite progbands up against each other. I'm one of the very few that prefer both Red and Starless and Bible Black over Larks Tounges from their 73-74-era. ------------- 
|
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 28 2014 at 15:32
|
I have a lot of time for Pawn Hearts, and "Lemmings" is one of the best album openers in prog (or in rock, for that matter). However, Larks' Tongues in Aspic is, in my view, a much more cohesive album - not to mention a much more influential one. The only thing that prevents it from achieving perfection are Wetton's still rather shaky vocals. On Starless and Bible Black he had already grown into a much better singer. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 28 2014 at 15:55
| Right! When I think of Wetton's three studio album stint with Crimso', I think of "shaky" vocals. Brilliant observation, Schmedrick! |
Posted By: ebil0505
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 00:58
|
Pawn Hearts because it was the closest option to my mouse cursor at the time. Also I like it more. ------------- "I like to think oysters transcend national barriers." - Roger Waters |
Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 16:20
|
some time ago i would have voted Lark's, but lately i've been listening Pawn Hearts so much, that i choose that! both albums are in my all time top10 albums. |
Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: November 01 2014 at 06:55
|
KC Larks ------------- "Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: November 01 2014 at 07:29
|