Ethical music purchasing
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Topic: Ethical music purchasing
Posted By: twalsh
Subject: Ethical music purchasing
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 13:18
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Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere recently on PA. I'm new and could not find recent discussions. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 13:20
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http://www.cdbaby.com/" rel="nofollow - http://www.cdbaby.com/ and http://bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://bandcamp.com/ are both good places to purchase music where the artist gets a decent cut of the revenues. These are generally acts that aren't signed to major labels. ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 13:20
| Bandcamp. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 13:52
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I hope your girlfriend doesn't come to this site, your clutter problems may come to an end... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 14:14
 Probably not, but she likes a fair bit of prog and prog-related music. Her fave is Kate Bush and she's attended, Jon Anderson solo, Rush, Yes and Dream Theater (those are the artists with prog cred; there were many more) with me in the last few years. However, after Dream Theater this year (amazing show), she said that she will not attend a hard rock or metal type show with me again. It's too loud for her to enjoy.Time to find some local friends who like what i like! Thanks for the tips, all. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Slartibartfast wrote:Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 15:40
Out of interest, what percentage do bands get on bandcamp? |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 15:47
From the Bandcamp pricing policy: PricingThe basic service is free. There are no signup costs, and no listing fees. -------------
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 15:50
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You could also purchase from the band's site (sometimes it's on bandcamp or it's a label site) ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 16:05
You know, what I'm probably going to do now is raise what I pay so that after BC gets their cut, the artist gets 100% of what they're asking for. e.g., for a $8 download I'll pay $9.42. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 17:03
Hello twalsh  Best is to purchase directly from the artist and or band, most of them have a purchase option on their website. Otherwise, buying directly from their Record Label is second best. CD Baby is another option, Record labels send their music to CD Baby and they in turn spread it further i.e. to Amazon, I-tunes etc. However not all record labels use CD Baby, some also sell it directly on Amazon etc. and so do some bands. hugs
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: October 30 2014 at 18:57
In my experience, a live-in female companion takes a lot more space than a few hundred CDs. Choices, choices .. |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: November 13 2014 at 07:37
Bandcamp fees are really not exorbitant in my opinion for such a great service. I don't work for Bandcamp but it's the main service I use for my music and it's really the most efficient and the most gainful  ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 13 2014 at 20:00
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I try to buy directly from the artist first, even if it takes a little while longer to get when it ships from overseas. MY latest order is from CDBaby, thanks to sampling them on progstreaming. My confirmation e-mail from CDBaby doesn't say CDBaby loves you like they used to. I am so bummed. OK did just get this - Your CD has been gently taken from our CD Baby shelves with sterilized contamination-free gloves and placed onto a satin pillow. A team of 50 employees inspected your CD and polished it to make sure it was in the best possible condition before mailing. Our world-renowned packing specialist lit a local artisan candle and a hush fell over the crowd as he put your CD into the finest gold-lined box that money can buy. We all had a wonderful celebration afterwards and the whole party marched down the street to the post office where the entire town of Portland waved "Bon Voyage!" to your package, on its way to you, in our private CD Baby jet on this day, November 13, 2014. We hope you had a wonderful time shopping at CD Baby. In commemoration, we have placed your picture on our wall as "Customer of the Year." We're all exhausted but can't wait for you to come back to CDBABY.COM!! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Sigh... We miss you already. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 09:09
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I buy my music exclusively from the same Russian biker gang I get my magic mushrooms and illegal firearms from. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 11:59
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Hi, I'm not in the market for sales. Many folks, are, though! Honestly, I would not use ANY of the places out there, unless they came to me, and offered me money for the distribution and the deal was better than what I'm doing! You already know that isn't possible, unless you are not interested in the business side of thigns, but you want the benefits from a major corporation, and you want to see that check for 200 grand that you picture and put on the wall to show how vain you are! The whole "progressive" thing, since its inception, has been about breaking the corporate control to find the freedom to play what you feel you need to do ... and my question is, why are you going backwards? You can NOT have that freedom, if you owe someone something! And heaven forbid that one song sells, and you have to repeat it for the next 10 years to honor the contract, and they make money, and you get disillusioned by the whole thing! It all depends on what the music means to you ... the rest you really don't need. Look in the mirror, and wake up! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 12:21
What? ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 12:40
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Just forget it Greg. Pedro's sentiments are based on a culture that ceased to exist many years ago......and then again it didn't even exist then as it got demolished at The Isle of Wight festival as well as in the flick 'Festival Express'. Both happening in 1970. Musicians back then ate food and slept in beds, which meant they too were in it for the dough. They may not have stated so and perhaps at times even spoken out against it, but it's very easy to make such grand notions when your bank account is high in the green. I honestly don't think he understands how hard it is to make a living from playing music these days with the current downloading zeitgeist, as well as the illegal one. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 12:55
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oh this looks like a fun thread time to pick up the sidearms left at the log-in desk, and slap on the 10 gallon hats and take a big ol' wad of chew. This has the wiff of good ol' PA's on it. Time for some popcorn!! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 13:03
Go back to watch Jeanna Fine! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 13:05
The naivite that you write about this is so glaringly visible, that it is bizarre that anyone would even pay attention to anything you say!
Life doesn't exist until you say so!
And heavne forbid Pedro would say that you should RUN YOUR OWN BUSINESS, not someone else!
Goodness sakes ... get your momma to change your diapers again? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 13:11
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Well many people don't have the capital or time to run their own business. They were asking about the best way to buy music? I'm completely confused by what Mosh is saying. And j have no idea who Jeanne Fine is? Hmm? Haha ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 13:32
You are better off this way. No-one saw Jeanna Fine and lived to tell the story
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 13:38
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hahha. I had to google the name. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 13:40
Well, service just isn't the same as it used to be... getting completely ignored by some spotty snotty youth who arrogantly believes you to be an inferior human being as A: He works in a record shop and B: You don't and know nothing about REAL music so C: How do you dare ask him if you can listen to the latest *Band name here* record before you decide to buy it with your hard earned pocket money or wages from your SATURDAY JOB. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 13:48
Nice. So now that you've insulted pretty much every hard working musician out there you decided to for one more. Beautiful Pedro. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: November 16 2014 at 22:27
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Are tangential trolls common on PA? ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 04:07
Nah .. just occasionally a bro flies off the handle .. an occupational hazard for whose who have progi for breakfast, lunch and dinner.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 04:27
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I doubt this is the right thread to shred, but recently, I wanted to purchase Magenta's 27 Club album as a file for my iPod - I already bought the dbl LP earlier this year. Anyway, on the Magenta website, they offered this album for £7, via bandcamp, and I got nothing....... Even dropped an email to Rob Reed, and got nothing !! Ripped off £7 (which is around 15 bucks) and got nothing..... ......first and last time I deal with any online D/L sh*te...... Bandcamp = SHYSTERS.......... |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 04:48
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Tom, that makes absolutely no sense. I've been using Bandcamp for years now, either the free downloads or purchased albums, and I have NEVER had a single problem. Once you put in your details (Paypal in most cases for me), it takes you instantly to a page that says `Download', you click that button, and it sends the album in a folder, usually takes about 2-3 minutes to send. Did you make sure to press that button to start the download, and/or did you take note of where the folder was going to end up on your computer? (ie maybe a `Music' folder, or your desktop?) |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 04:57
Did the vinyl come with a download card? It's not unusual for those not to work. Sometimes intense emailing with their Customer Services helps; sometimes they just ignore you (but never fail to flood your inbox with marketing stuff from "select 3rd party entities"). |
Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 05:12
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Tom, perhaps try a free download to get your head around how Bandcamp works? For instance, check out this page: http://freefloatingmusic.bandcamp.com/album/seeking-rest" rel="nofollow - http://freefloatingmusic.bandcamp.com/album/seeking-rest This is a really nice electronic album I listen to frequently! Now, take the following steps: 1. Click `Buy Now' 2. In the box that comes up, enter $0.00, then click the green `Download Now' button. 3. A new page will load, wait for the blue `Download' link to appear, click it, and save the folder it will send. Give that a try, won't cost you a cent. Sorry to hear it's stressed you so much. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 05:35
Payment made to Rob Reed and processed on 27th Oct. and to this day, nothing. ........that's why a note was sent to Reed but that seemed to be ignored too....... You know how much this album means to me - I want it in my pod to listen to whilst on holiday......the only album I want in my iPod ..... |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 08:46
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^Did you check your spam folder? It might be the you have an overeager spam filter and it misinterpreted the incoming message. If that is not the case, I would try creating an account on bandcamp with the e-mail address you used to make the purchase. It will have a record that that e-mail account purchased the account and you should be able to get, from your account page, to a page with all your purchases, which should include download links.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 11:49
| ^ Thanks - I'll give it a go...... |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 12:18
If you get on the wrong side of the Russian bikers, that is.  Nobody messes with these guys! ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 02:05
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Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 06:36
The Putineers?
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 19:59
hahaha!!! That's hilarious haha..Argonaught,
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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 22:17
Well, the record shop in my town has good service, but selections are limited, so I often can't find what I'm looking for. If I'm looking for new proggie albums, I'm stuck buying them on Amazon or something.  ------------- Want to play mafia? Visit http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com" rel="nofollow - here . |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 18:00
Sadly, the only bad thing in all this is that you did not read any of it!
I'm standing up for the artist, and you think I'm saying otherwise ... you have to cover and stand for your work ... not pray that you gonna get some money from some godly person ... you can not build a house on that hope!
has nothing to do with trashing anyone, except the comments that are totally out of line and are specifically trying to ignore the subject and do a personal attack rather than understand the comments made!
It's your intelligence at stake, not mine! I already claim to be a member of the "How Sweet to be an Idiot" club, while you are still trying to show the next girl how cool you are! At 64, even your bikini would look rather ridiculous, just like your comments! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 18:31
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You have a very funny way of standing up for the artists then, and believe me I read every word you wrote, which is why I took offense...just like most others did in this thread. Seems to me that the one person who is ignoring the subject is you. Just like most other threads you frequent, where you use and hijack certain 'words' or musical descriptions to unload your latest rant on what is wrong with PA, the music business and our appreciation of the arts. I'm done with this discussion. You can return to your soap box now. Btw I'd appreciate it if you could leave out the nasty comments. This is the second time in a row now. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |