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Topic: Dark ProgPosted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Subject: Dark Prog
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 09:25
Hi everyone.
Given my mood lately, I thought I could use some dark and gloomy music. I've listened to a lot of VdGG, but I struggle to find other bands with such a convoluted and "serious" sound. I would like to ask you some suggestions for what I like to call "dark prog". I don't mind heavy music. Here's what I've been listening to recently:
VdGG
Peter Hammill
"Red"-era King Crimson
Kayo Dot
maudlin of the Well
Leprous
Devin Townsend
The Gathering
A Silver Mt. Zion
Parallel or 90 Degrees
65daysofstatic
Agalloch
Indukti
Any suggestion is welcome, thank you in advance for your help.
Replies: Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 09:39
Welcome to PA! I like the dark stuff too.
A couple of Italian bands come to mind, based on your list. You're from Italy, maybe you know them already. Devil Doll (80s) is very dramatic and dark, with a vocalist who likes to sound like Gollum from time to time. Jacula (early 70s) is an interesting pipe organ-based fusion of dark church music and occasional metallic guitars, with a charismatic female vocalist.
On the more metallic side, if you don't mind things getting a bit weird, try early Harvey Milk (especially Courtesy and Good Will Toward Men) - slow, tortuous, and very experimental metal. Slightly more accessible is Boris, who aren't on PA as a prog band but they're close enough to recommend here. They really run the gamut stylistically, but their earliest drone-metal efforts are very dark indeed.
I also highly recommend Univers Zero's Heresie album if you haven't heard it already.
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Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 10:03
Wow, that was a quick reply! I'm definitely going to check these bands out. Univers Zero is good indeed, I've only listened to their first album so far, so I'm sure I'll like Heresie too.
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 10:22
I'm sure i'll post more later, but immediately i thought of Anekdoten. They should do the trick for you.
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Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 11:16
Karda Estra-Voivode Dracula
Anglagard-Epilog
Art Zoyd-Nosferatu
Art Zoyd-Le Mariage du Ciel et de l' Enfer
Art Zoyd-Les Espaces Inquiets/Phase IV/Archives II Patricia Dallio- La Ronce N'est Pas Le Pire
Patricia Dallio-Barbe Bleue
Patricia Dallio-Procession
Present-trishaideliaphobic/le poison qui rend fou David Bedford-Star Clusters, Nebulae & Places In Devon
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 11:29
As well as Univers Zero check out
Present
Shub Niggurath
Eskaton
Arteria
Thinking Plague
Guapo
Dead Can Dance
Art Zoyd
Comus
Combat Astronomy
Unit Wail
and of course, Magma
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 12:01
Thank you for all these suggestions, guys! I'll probably have to spend a month listening to them all . That makes me happy, of course. And Magma is great indeed (I know their first album and I love it)!
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 14:02
Steven Wilson's debut solo album (Insurgentes) is considerably darker than anything he did with Porcupine Tree imo so I would put that forward also.
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 15:08
That's good to know, as I think that the Porcupine Tree albums I heard (Stupid Dream, Lightbulb Sun) lacked that dark and heavy edge I looked for (I've heard some of Fear of a Blank Planet though, and that's another story).
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 15:17
Steve Hackett.......Darktown
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 15:45
Ulver - Shadows of the Sun, Perdition City, Blood Inside, Messe
Grails - Deep Politics, Burning Off Impurities, Take Refuge in Clean Living
Dead Can Dance - Within a Realm of A Dying Sun, The Serpents Egg
Tangerine Dream - Zeit
Secret Chiefs 3 - Le Mani Destre Reccise Degli Ultimi Uomini
Tartar Lamb
and as already mentioned, Univers Zero and Comus!!!
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 15:51
Horizons wrote:
I'm sure i'll post more later, but immediately i thought of Anekdoten. They should do the trick for you.
This! Come over to the Dark Side, young Skywalker!
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Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 16:36
timothy leary wrote:
Steve Hackett.......Darktown
Oh, Darktown! I used to listen to that, then it kind of got lost. I should revisit that.
SteveG wrote:
Horizons wrote:
I'm sure i'll post more later, but immediately i thought of Anekdoten. They should do the trick for you.
This! Come over to the Dark Side, young Skywalker!
Well, that sounds both reassuring and creepy. I'm going to check 'em out as soon as I can.
In the meantime I listened to the first album by Devil Doll and it's been a blast! I had never bothered with italian bands, but it turns out it's been my loss all this time
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 16:38
Besides the bands suggested by the previous posters (all excellent choices), I'd mention two of the bands I saw at the Orion Studios on November 8: Alec K Redfearn and the Eyesores and Discipline. The former hail from Providence, HP Lovecraft's hometown - you can't get any darker than that! Discipline, on the other hand, even though not as Avant-leaning in musical terms, are very dark lyrically, and very intense both on CD and on stage.
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 16:56
As you'd expect, there's a lot under metal thats dark (but not as much as some would like to believe, there's a difference between dark and heavy).
Ihsahn- After, Erimita Anathema- The Silent Enigma Opeth- Blackwater Park Wolves in the Throne Room- Celestial Lineage Marillion- any of the first 4 albums In the Woods... Strange in Stereo
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 16:59
OH MAN!!!!!!! You want dark prog and you love VDGG????
Island- Pictures
It's a 1977 album. You'll have to search the year or you'll just get pictures of islands.
This will blow you away. Holy cow. This album is one of my favorites and it is similar to VDGG
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 17 2014 at 17:19
A big yay for Discipline, Anathema and Marillion (although I've only heard 2 albums by them)! Speaking about Opeth, instead, I have to admit that I don't like them. I've listened to their first 4 albums some time ago but they didn't clicked with me for whatever reason. All the other bands I'll have to check out.
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 00:51
Be careful with Anathema as they 'found the light' on their last 3 albums. A Fine Day To Exit and Judgement of the older albums are worth checking out though.
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 03:07
First of all,bythe oldbigs, imo the champions are KingCrimson (btw my fav one of British prog vets).
I'dlike to recommend these contemporary prog bands http://soundofcobra.bandcamp.com/album/tebe" rel="nofollow - La Piramide di Sanque, http://1krecordings.bandcamp.com/album/the-seven-dreams" rel="nofollow - Goldbug , http://psicomagiamusic.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - Psicomagia & http://gravitsapa.bandcamp.com/album/vulgata" rel="nofollow - Gravitsapa .
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 03:43
Slint's Spiderland hasn't been recommended yet? It takes King Crimson's mid-1970s heavy power trio line-up and adapts it to a vaguely gothy post-punk/1980s indie rock paradigm. Russian Circles' sound is a more metallic take on that style I described, their heaviest album being Empros.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:28
I had no idea this genre even existed, all good here as long as it doesn't glorify clown serial killers among others etc. I mean it, this would be unacceptable sick.
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:33
Kati wrote:
I had no idea this genre even existed, (...)
It's not a genre, it is one of the styles.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:36
Svetonio wrote:
Kati wrote:
I had no idea this genre even existed, (...)
It's not a genre, it is one of the styles.
Sventonio :) you peaked my interest now, pls post some links with music examples? xxxxx
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:37
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:40
Also forgot to mention Virus, who might be exactly the kind of band the thread is requesting so I'm surprised nobody brought them up. Their main inspirations seem to be again King Crimson and Slint but as filtered through some of the more Captain Beefheart-inspired post-punk groups (e. g. The Fall, Gang of Four, Pére Ubu) and the more abstract corners of modern black metal. (Fleurety and their ilk)
They're not really metal nor post-punk, though, the end result is more some kind of "creepy haunted museum rock".
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:41
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
It's a darkatmosphere, primarily.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:42
God I hate punk, they might have been against whatever but they could not play a tune to save their lives urggghjhhhhh.
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:44
Virus can, though, what with most of the band members coming from a metal background instead.
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:45
Kati wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Kati wrote:
I had no idea this genre even existed, (...)
It's not a genre, it is one of the styles.
Sventonio :) you peaked my interest now, pls post some links with music examples? xxxxx
Well, I already posted some links. Just click at the bands' names in my first post at this thread.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:45
Svetonio wrote:
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
It's a darkatmosphere, primarily.
\
Nah dark atmosphere does not mean dark prog to me, that name sounds evil even without intend. xxxxx
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:52
Another few years of relentless subgenre creation, and the family tree of prog may look like the one the have for heavy metal (in red, asborrowed from the Wikipedia article) .. postmath crossover funko-bluegrass hardcoregoth neoprog
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Alternative_metal" rel="nofollow - - 1 - Alternative metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Derivatives_of_alternative_metal" rel="nofollow - - 1.1 - Derivatives of alternative metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Funk_metal" rel="nofollow - - 1.1.1 - Funk metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Nu_metal" rel="nofollow - - 1.1.2 - Nu metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Rap_metal" rel="nofollow - - 1.1.3 - Rap metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Avant-garde_metal" rel="nofollow - - 2 - Avant-garde metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Black_metal" rel="nofollow - - 3 - Black metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Derivatives_of_black_metal" rel="nofollow - - 3.1 - Derivatives of black metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Viking_metal" rel="nofollow - - 3.1.1 - Viking metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#War_metal" rel="nofollow - - 3.1.2 - War metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Cello_metal" rel="nofollow - - 4 - Cello metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Christian_metal" rel="nofollow - - 5 - Christian metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Derivatives_of_Christian_metal" rel="nofollow - - 5.1 - Derivatives of Christian metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Unblack_metal" rel="nofollow - - 5.1.1 - Unblack metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Crust_punk" rel="nofollow - - 6 - Crust punk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Dark_metal" rel="nofollow - - 7 - Dark metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Death_metal" rel="nofollow - - 8 - Death metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Derivatives_of_death_metal" rel="nofollow - - 8.1 - Derivatives of death metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Death_.27n.27_roll" rel="nofollow - - 8.1.1 - Death 'n' roll
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Melodic_death_metal" rel="nofollow - - 8.1.2 - Melodic death metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Technical_death_metal" rel="nofollow - - 8.1.3 - Technical death metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Doom_metal" rel="nofollow - - 9 - Doom metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Derivatives_of_doom_metal" rel="nofollow - - 9.1 - Derivatives of doom metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Speed_metal" rel="nofollow - - 22 - Speed metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Stoner_metal" rel="nofollow - - 23 - Stoner metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Symphonic_metal" rel="nofollow - - 24 - Symphonic metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Thrash_metal" rel="nofollow - - 25 - Thrash metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Derivatives_of_thrash_metal" rel="nofollow - - 25.1 - Derivatives of thrash metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Crossover_thrash" rel="nofollow - - 25.1.1 - Crossover thrash
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Groove_metal" rel="nofollow - - 25.1.2 - Groove metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Teutonic_thrash_metal" rel="nofollow - - 25.1.3 - Teutonic thrash metal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_subgenres#Traditional_heavy_metal" rel="nofollow - - 26 - Traditional heavy metal
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 04:55
Kati wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
It's a darkatmosphere, primarily.
\
Nah dark atmosphere does not mean dark prog to me, that name sounds evil even without intend. xxxxx
Evil? lol
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:01
Svetonio wrote:
Kati wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
It's a darkatmosphere, primarily.
\
Nah dark atmosphere does not mean dark prog to me, that name sounds evil even without intend. xxxxx
Evil? lol
Yep yes the word dark to me is not a happy positive
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:16
Sometimes I wonder if this my downfall in life........Sabbath, Shub, Magma, VDGG/Hammill, Ange, Heldon....... ........any Zeuhl in general, strange things and bizarre heaviness....... .....believe me, I suffer.......
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:34
Tom Ozric wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if this my downfall in life........Sabbath, Shub, Magma, VDGG/Hammill, Ange, Heldon....... ........any Zeuhl in general, strange things and bizarre heaviness....... .....believe me, I suffer.......
ha! ok that's dark prog? to be honest it's a silly name that means nothing to me heavy prog yes that kind of means something but what do I know anyway I am a nincompoopy
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:38
Kati wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if this my downfall in life........Sabbath, Shub, Magma, VDGG/Hammill, Ange, Heldon....... ........any Zeuhl in general, strange things and bizarre heaviness....... .....believe me, I suffer.......
ha! ok that's dark prog? to be honest it's a silly name that means nothing to me heavy prog yes that kind of means something but what do I know anyway I am a nincompoopy
Stop it already ..... You know............ ........
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:43
It's pretty simple, some prog has a light happy atmosphere, others have dark, it's not a sub genre, its just a list of bands who are darker than the norm.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 05:48
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
It's pretty simple, some prog has a light happy atmosphere, others have dark, it's not a sub genre, its just a list of bands who are darker than the norm.
Exactly.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:03
I still think this title is very silly and not necessary describing any genre
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:06
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
Prog is a genre. Tons of bands like IQ, The Flower Kings, etc. It's not progressive music, it's prog the genre.
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:08
Kati wrote:
God I hate punk, they might have been against whatever but they could not play a tune to save their lives urggghjhhhhh.
I think you're generalizing. A small percentage of punk is insanely good music. Never generalize an entire genre because a 'genre' is just a descriptive word used to categorize music.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:09
hey I am all for the use of prog in anything it's fun kinky i.e. I say it's prog for lack of a better word, plus it's fun too, means nothing however dark prog is a bit odd in terms of describing a specific genre to me sorry xxx hugs Does that really exist?
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:10
Smurph wrote:
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
Prog is a genre. Tons of bands like IQ, The Flower Kings, etc. It's not progressive music, it's prog the genre.
Exactly.
And that dark prog is just one of its styles, an atmosphere... not even a sub-genre of Prog.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:19
Svetonio wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
Prog is a genre. Tons of bands like IQ, The Flower Kings, etc. It's not progressive music, it's prog the genre.
Exactly.
And dark prog is just one of its styles, an atmosphere...
Cooee do not twist my words I know the meaning of prog! What I said is that I was not aware of dark prog! Thus if you want to quote me say it right! Now pardon my French and @#$% off!
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:24
Maybe I am frustrated right now because I am short but I do know what entitles prog moozik!
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:27
Kati wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
Prog is a genre. Tons of bands like IQ, The Flower Kings, etc. It's not progressive music, it's prog the genre.
Exactly.
And dark prog is just one of its styles, an atmosphere...
Cooee do not twist my words (...)
Sorry, but I didn't "twist your words".
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:30
I didn't expect such a discussion to develop overnight. Of course I don't consider "dark prog" a genre of its own. I just used the term to get the message across and since it is very vague it allows people to suggest a lot (A LOT, indeed) of different bands. As someone already said, heavy does not equal dark of course (i.e. Rush, Dream Theater, the Power metal genre), even if the two categories often blur together. This brings even more variety to the table.
And no, I'm not a psycho clown killer searching for glorification in the music I listen to, but that would make for an interesting concept album... Maybe...
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:31
Svetonio wrote:
Kati wrote:
Svetonio wrote:
Smurph wrote:
Kati wrote:
But Dark Prog? What is that? Prog by itself is not even a music genre!
Prog is a genre. Tons of bands like IQ, The Flower Kings, etc. It's not progressive music, it's prog the genre.
Exactly.
And dark prog is just one of its styles, an atmosphere...
Cooee do not twist my words (...)
Sorry, but I didn't "twist your words".
Svetonio!!!! No of course you did no such thing! :) hihihihi I am naughty neh? ;) xxxx I was provoking a reaction hihihihihihi mhwoaaahhxxxx to you bad Sonia umphpft
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 07:52
Smurph wrote:
Kati wrote:
God I hate punk, they might have been against whatever but they could not play a tune to save their lives urggghjhhhhh.
I think you're generalizing. A small percentage of punk is insanely good music. Never generalize an entire genre because a 'genre' is just a descriptive word used to categorize music.
Maybe I am Smurph, I just generalizing what I feel however I might be wrong and not heard most of it and which makes me in be wrong. I honestly doubt it tho', considering I favor memorable tunes not just strumming for the sake of it hugs tho'
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 08:17
We are not talking about Dark Prog as a genre. The OP asked for suggestions of progressive music that has a dark atmosphere. There is no-one discussing this as a genre or sub-genre other than you. We are just suggesting progressive rock bands that have a dark atmosphere irregardless of genre or sub-genre.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 08:20
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
I didn't expect such a discussion to develop overnight. Of course I don't consider "dark prog" a genre of its own. I just used the term to get the message across and since it is very vague it allows people to suggest a lot (A LOT, indeed) of different bands.
Out of curiosity, what did you think of the bands I linked to?
------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 08:23
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
We are not talking about Dark Prog as a genre. The OP asked for suggestions of progressive music that has a dark atmosphere. There is no-one discussing this as a genre or sub-genre other than you. We are just suggesting progressive rock bands that have a dark atmosphere irregardless of genre or sub-genre.
Awww Nogbad_The_Bad, this is a bit unfair really as I was debating and replying to the forum topic, DARK PROG.
Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 08:41
WOW! I think we have a champion of 'dark prog' here, this is dark indeed:
"Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy." LvB
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 08:46
Toaster Mantis wrote:
Out of curiosity, what did you think of the bands I linked to?
I'm listening to the three Virus' songs you linked right now. The Black Flux gets somewhat groovy in the middle, which I like, and Archives seems to be good with its kinda fast tempo. I listened to Spiderland one year or so ago but didn't like it, perhaps I should revise it because everyone seem to consider it crazy good. As for Russian Circles, I will lend 'em an ear when I have more time on my hands, I'll let you know later. Again, thanks everybody for the music you've suggested me, I hope this keeps growing (even if it means I'll spend all my life listening to them all ).
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 09:01
that name dark prog kills me! Even if cute snoopy Nogbad_The_Bad aka Atom heart Mother disagrees with me here! Common, dark prog, sounds like Halloween to me and we here don't even have or share this festivity
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 09:01
It's very silly really all this xxx
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 09:11
As "silly" as it may seem, it looks like it's a good excuse for sharing music. And if it actually does sound silly, then I don't mind listening to these "silly" things.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 09:15
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
As "silly" as it may seem, it looks like it's a good excuse for sharing music. And if it actually does sound silly, then I don't mind listening to these "silly" things.
I like you a lot already PiphanyRambler (very silly name too)
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 09:47
Besides the usual packages you should check out Battlestations if you don't have a dislike against Post-Rock.
Their 29-minute album The Death of the Day is rather dark and desolate (except for the last three minutes).
Under a Cold Embrace is even better, but less dark.
Their music can be listened on http://music.battlestations.ws" rel="nofollow - bandcamp .
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:03
Kati wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
We are not talking about Dark Prog as a genre. The OP asked for suggestions of progressive music that has a dark atmosphere. There is no-one discussing this as a genre or sub-genre other than you. We are just suggesting progressive rock bands that have a dark atmosphere irregardless of genre or sub-genre.
Awww Nogbad_The_Bad, this is a bit unfair really as I was debating and replying to the forum topic, DARK PROG.
So what you are saying is that the thread title should have been either
(1) We need a new genre - Dark Prog
or
(2) Please suggest Dark Prog music (!!NOT A GENRE DISCUSSION!!)
Just so it was clear that this wasn't a request for a new genre?
You are debating in an empty room, no-one else is talking genre. I'd suggest you start a new thread so that those of interested in peoples suggestions for dark progressive music can continue the interesting discussion.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:29
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
Hi everyone.
Given my mood lately, I thought I could use some dark and gloomy music. I've listened to a lot of VdGG, but I struggle to find other bands with such a convoluted and "serious" sound. I would like to ask you some suggestions for what I like to call "dark prog". I don't mind heavy music.
Turn out the lights!
You don't need the music! And half of those are not dark as you are dense, I'm sure!
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:37
moshkito wrote:
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
Hi everyone.
Given my mood lately, I thought I could use some dark and gloomy music. I've listened to a lot of VdGG, but I struggle to find other bands with such a convoluted and "serious" sound. I would like to ask you some suggestions for what I like to call "dark prog". I don't mind heavy music.
Turn out the lights!
You don't need the music! And half of those are not dark as you are dense, I'm sure!
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:42
Smurph wrote:
moshkito wrote:
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
Hi everyone.
Given my mood lately, I thought I could use some dark and gloomy music. I've listened to a lot of VdGG, but I struggle to find other bands with such a convoluted and "serious" sound. I would like to ask you some suggestions for what I like to call "dark prog". I don't mind heavy music.
Turn out the lights!
You don't need the music! And half of those are not dark as you are dense, I'm sure!
What reason do you have for insulting the OP?
NONE.
As a joke, more than anything else, but this is important as a concept. You will NEVER know what "dark" means, until you can not see any light! A blind person does NOT reply on "light" to define "dark"!
You have no perspective to make the comment about "dark" music, and the use of the language is horrific to say the least. It's "imaginary" at best.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:46
Smurph wrote:
moshkito wrote:
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
Hi everyone.
Given my mood lately, I thought I could use some dark and gloomy music. I've listened to a lot of VdGG, but I struggle to find other bands with such a convoluted and "serious" sound. I would like to ask you some suggestions for what I like to call "dark prog". I don't mind heavy music.
Turn out the lights!
You don't need the music! And half of those are not dark as you are dense, I'm sure!
What reason do you have for insulting the OP?
Smurph, he not insulting you at all infact he such a nice person plus he is commenting on this forum (your post) and for a person from Japan this is very rare, now let's be happy and group hug
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:49
Portland oregon ia a long way from Japan
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:52
timothy leary wrote:
Portland oregon ia a long way from Japan
Portland is a long way from prog bands too, but this doesn't mean we should discredit Oregon too hugs
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:54
Moshkito is from Portland
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 10:58
timothy leary wrote:
Moshkito is from Portland
ha! Moshkito! My nincompoop mind thought you were Japanese ha!
Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:07
Wow, this thread really fell apart.
Thanks for the suggestion someone_else, this seems cool so far.
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:10
Yeah, it started great but then Dark Prog had to be defined and when that happens &^%$ unravels
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:12
Kati wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
Portland oregon ia a long way from Japan
Portland is a long way from prog bands too, but this doesn't mean we should discredit Oregon too hugs
Actually Vancouver, Washington, which is across the Columbia River from Portland!
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:14
Kati wrote:
timothy leary wrote:
Moshkito is from Portland
ha! Moshkito! My nincompoop mind thought you were Japanese ha!
Nahhhhh ... you ain't no nincompoop. A "progressive" mind would not be worried about the comments, or his/her music would never have been put together.
Just tells you who the real nincompoops are, that haven't grown up yet!
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:31
I wasn't the OP :) but I get what is being said. Sorry I misinterpreted your post Mosh.
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 11:56
moshkito wrote:
NONE.
As a joke, more than anything else, but this is important as a concept. You will NEVER know what "dark" means, until you can not see any light! A blind person does NOT reply on "light" to define "dark"!
You have no perspective to make the comment about "dark" music, and the use of the language is horrific to say the least. It's "imaginary" at best.
I'm sorry, but I didn't want to start a thread about what "dark" means. I only wanted to know more music, that's it. I wrote what bands I like to listen just to make clear what type of music I'd like to explore. Most people seem to have understood, I don't see the problem.
Regarding the language, I could say I'm just bad at writing, but again, everyone who replied on this thread seems to understand me. Writing posts is good practice, perhaps in the future I will not sound so "imaginary" when writing/speaking in English. Peace
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 12:01
Your post was fine.
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 12:14
Yea your post was fine! We do have some eccentric types here so no worries ;)
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 12:17
Everything checks out fine here on Planet Earth. Not sure about elsewhere.
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Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 12:25
Oh, I see. I'm glad it all turned out fine, I was starting to fear that this thread could turn into a flame war.
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 12:32
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
moshkito wrote:
NONE.
As a joke, more than anything else, but this is important as a concept. You will NEVER know what "dark" means, until you can not see any light! A blind person does NOT reply on "light" to define "dark"!
You have no perspective to make the comment about "dark" music, and the use of the language is horrific to say the least. It's "imaginary" at best.
I'm sorry, but I didn't want to start a thread about what "dark" means. I only wanted to know more music, that's it. I wrote what bands I like to listen just to make clear what type of music I'd like to explore. Most people seem to have understood, I don't see the problem.
Regarding the language, I could say I'm just bad at writing, but again, everyone who replied on this thread seems to understand me. Writing posts is good practice, perhaps in the future I will not sound so "imaginary" when writing/speaking in English. Peace
Your OP isjustperfect. Moreover, I'm gonna to rank your threadwith a sparkling five stars 'cause I love the dark prog soundscapes so much
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 12:40
You might try Vajra........Pleroma
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 13:01
Another artist added to the list . I actually had to take a notebook and make a list, so that nothing slips away.
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 14:12
I heard the first three cuts out of Pleroma and it's very nice so far. I like the vocalist, she reminds me of Frequency Drift (although the music is not that similar).
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 14:26
I'd like to recommend Arktis/Air from Wien: http://arktisair.bandcamp.com/album/en-trance" rel="nofollow - http://arktisair.bandcamp.com/album/en-trance
"Take John Zorn's Painkiller and mix it with the post metal efforts of Isis and the occasional 70's prog experiments in the vein of King Crimson. Garnish the whole sonic spectacle with insane blast beats ŕ la Napalm Death, the complexity and technical finesse of Jazz and add a pinch of Melvins. How do these ingredients blend? Allow Arktis/Air to demonstrate." (Michael Ternai, MICA)
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 15:12
^I second that. That album is TRULY dark. And difficult to listen to but very rewarding.
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 15:51
moshkito wrote:
Smurph wrote:
moshkito wrote:
'PiphanyRambler wrote:
Hi everyone.
Given my mood lately, I thought I could use some dark and gloomy music. I've listened to a lot of VdGG, but I struggle to find other bands with such a convoluted and "serious" sound. I would like to ask you some suggestions for what I like to call "dark prog". I don't mind heavy music.
Turn out the lights!
You don't need the music! And half of those are not dark as you are dense, I'm sure!
What reason do you have for insulting the OP?
NONE.
As a joke, more than anything else, but this is important as a concept. You will NEVER know what "dark" means, until you can not see any light! A blind person does NOT reply on "light" to define "dark"!
You have no perspective to make the comment about "dark" music, and the use of the language is horrific to say the least. It's "imaginary" at best.
What a load of bullsh*t.
Anyway. Surprised to see Virus mentioned in this thread, not a band I would describe as dark though their three albums are excellent, with Carheart being my personal favourite. Their preceding band Ved Buens Ende on the other was exactly that with their album Written in Waters.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 16:04
Kati wrote:
that name dark prog kills me! Even if cute snoopy Nogbad_The_Bad aka Atom heart Mother disagrees with me here! Common, dark prog, sounds like Halloween to me and we here don't even have or share this festivity
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: November 18 2014 at 16:05
"There is no dark until it shines."-Towns Van Zandt
Posted By: 'PiphanyRambler
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 10:00
The Arktis/Air album blew my mind! It sounds exactly like what I'm searching for. On some tracks it reminded me slightly of The Mars Volta. Very cool.
Posted By: Chaosology
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 17:30
Try Hail Spirit Noir, psychedelic\avant-garde black metal with lots of 70's prog influences..
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 20:09
verslibre wrote:
Kati wrote:
that name dark prog kills me! Even if cute snoopy Nogbad_The_Bad aka Atom heart Mother disagrees with me here! Common, dark prog, sounds like Halloween to me and we here don't even have or share this festivity
Wot?! You didn't go trick-or-treating?
hihihi nope we have no such festivities here bah. Some of PT albums were dark in lyrical content, is that considered dark prog? POS too?
Hugs and to Nogbad_The_Naughty too
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 20:19
SteveG wrote:
"There is no dark until it shines."-Towns Van Zandt
This is for you SteveG
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 20:27
SteveG wrote:
"There is no dark until it shines."-Towns Van Zandt
Ha! Reminds me of another good one and I quote: "Fingers walk the darkness down Mind is on the midnight Gather up the gold you've found You fool it's only moonlight"
This last one is from Lungs, now also the soundtrack song for True Detective.
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 19 2014 at 23:21
Cooee!!!
Hello, Is there anybody in there Just nod if you can hear me Is there anyone home? Come on, now I hear you're feeling down I can ease your pain Get you on your feet again Relax I'll need some information first Just the basic facts Can you show me where it hurts?
oink oink plus a big hug
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 00:39
Marillion had some pretty dark lyrics at the end of the Fish era. The man who inroduced me to them when I was 15 had doubts about lending me Clutching, because of that.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 00:51
Angelo wrote:
Marillion had some pretty dark lyrics at the end of the Fish era. The man who inroduced me to them when I was 15 had doubts about lending me Clutching, because of that.
Marillion without Fish is a bit odd, just like DT without Portnoy and SB without Neal Morse, however the latter continued to be quite impressive too Anyway, I still enjoy all 3 bands here given the circumstances.
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: November 20 2014 at 02:55
Marillion peaked with Clutching, IMO. They have some good songs after that, but I'm not keen on their overall sound with H.