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Topic: Rd 1 Portland Bracket: Area v. Talk Talk
Posted By: micky
Subject: Rd 1 Portland Bracket: Area v. Talk Talk
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 07:58
From the fearsome RPI conference we have one of the most original and incendiary groups of the 70's.

From Italy

AREA!!!!!



From the Crossdressing conference we have an example of how prog didn't die in the 80's to be reborn in the form of pansy Genesis clones, it simply mututated and progressed.

From England

TALK TALK!!!!!




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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 08:04
Tough choice.....but I'm opting for the pomodoro path yet again. Talk Talk made three incredible records that I absolutely adore - AREA? 5, well 6 if we include the mesmerising live document from around the time of Caution Radiation Area and Crac!:
 


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 08:11
Love both bands, but this time I'm going to go all patriotic on your collective assesWink, and vote for the mighty AREA!


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 08:30
A buit hard, but I vote for Area here.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 08:33
Area for me


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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 08:33
Oh geez, this is tough.
I think I have to go with Talk Talk.

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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 08:48
I don't think Gwen Stefani will ever make a cover of Area

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 09:06
this is one I am going to sit on and think a bit.

I really enjoy Area... but I do have a passionate love affair with Talk Talk.

I think I will vote against the Italians for the first, likely last time, but will think about it and sit on my vote for a bit.


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 09:29
Another vote for the Italians. I've only heard Spirit of Eden from Talk Talk and like most Post Rock in that style, it bores me silly, though at least they're not as extreme in this department as Godspeed.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 09:42
Talk Talk, probably, if for nothing but Mark Feltham's harmonica work. And he really wasn't even a member of the band.

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 09:54
Slight edge to Area.


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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 09:54
I do like TALK TALK a lot but this is no contest, AREA all the way.

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 10:05

Gonna go with my heart as I had the pleasure of seeing Talk Talk live in 1986 - and great they were too! (Not particularly prog at the time but that grew and went from great to genius.




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Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 10:50
Area for me. 


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 11:02
Talk Talk is very good, but Area Heart


Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 11:02
Area. Love both though

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 11:10
bah.  It is so unlike my impulsive nature to sit on anything especially when in my heart I know what I want to do.

voting against the mighty RPI conference for the first and likely last time. LOL

I do love Area, but I do love Talk Talk as much but they connect where it counts, in the heart, where Area is simply incapable of doing that purely by their style.  Now the day I finally get fed up with the f**king bullsh*t in this country and finally decide to go Ferguson on this countries ass... AREA will be in my headphones for sure!!





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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 11:14
AREA easily!


Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 11:46
Hmmm... the big angry boys of RPI with a string of greats versus a good synthpop band who then went into creative overdrive on one album that blows so many others away and helped give us post-rock...

To the underdogs. Give everyone something to Talk about.


Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 12:34
Only consider one Talk Talk album to be prog as I always thought of them as a pop band. Another vote for RPI and Area.


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 14:32
Talk Talk, but Area is stellar as well.


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 14:42
I admire both bands, but Talk Talk is closer to my heart, so to say.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 15:05
Area has long been one of my absolute favourite bands for quite a few years and I cannot vote against it. That said, I like Talk Talk a lot and actually they make the kinds of music that I'm listening to a lot these days. .


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 18:45
Area, by an enormous margin.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 20:28
Area

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: November 30 2014 at 23:46
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Talk Talk, but Area is stellar as well.
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: December 01 2014 at 08:46
Gotta go Talk Talk here, love the meloncholy 80's sound that they have.  It really transcends many different genres all of which I love.

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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: December 01 2014 at 12:27
Wow, Area.

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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: December 01 2014 at 13:25
Talk Talk is enjoyable. No implications intended.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 02 2014 at 17:55
well done everyone.

That is half, or almost half  the matches within 3 votes Clap


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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 11:41
Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?


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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 16:09
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"

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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 16:12
Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
They're probably either referring to the better known one, Spirit of Eden, or asserting that Spirit of Eden isn't prog and Laughing Stock is.


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 17:07
I like Talk Talk, but the samples I heard from Area convinced me to give them my vote.


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 17:11
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"
That has to be in the same way all post rock bands are progressive but not prog then.


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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 17:20
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"
That has to be in the same way all post rock bands are progressive but not prog then.
There'd be quite a few. Who cares anyway? 


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 17:23
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"
That has to be in the same way all post rock bands are progressive but not prog then.
There'd be quite a few. Who cares anyway? 
True.

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 17:25
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
They're probably either referring to the better known one, Spirit of Eden, or asserting that Spirit of Eden isn't prog and Laughing Stock is.


this is what I thought, but, I'm fairly sure that both albums warrrant the description Prog(ressive) ^ I don't care for the distinction either!

Whichever, both albums are fantasticBig smile


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 17:27
Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"


so what. Prog.. progressive.. it is all the same.. but oh so very different. Give me a progressive group over a prog group ANY DAY of the week.

progressive describes the majority of the database here and a great number of recent additions to the database. Prog is a ingrained genre with dots to connectas much as any genre, thus those that fail get the dread 'not prog tag', however progressive rock is free of such bullsh*t, simply musicians doing music that inspires them using the kitchen sink and more. You know.. what  the original 70's masters did before it became instuttionalized and they became parodies of themselves and others simply became modern updates of the same sound and style.

Prog is a dead genre.. or one on life support if one wants to be really generous. It will last creativity as long as the last boomer is around.

However progressive rock is alive and well in a vast number of current and recent history bands. That is what many young people, and many musicians are into.  I like to sh*t on Steven Wilson whenever I get on the chance but one smart thing he did was deny the ;prog' tag. That is a toe tage for new groups wanted to have audiences and careers past playing old folks prog festivals and sites like this.  Many bands are tagged by this site as 'prog' yet strangely deny it, or blissfully unaware they have been lumped in with prog as a genre.

The site itself long stopped being simply about prog long ago man.... otherwise we wouldn't have the genres we have here: for example the  RIO/avant, electronic, krautrock, crossover, fusion/JR subgenres even to a large extent the folksie sub genres. Clap



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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 17:56
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"


The site itself long stopped being simply about prog long ago man.... 
And so it should have!
 



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Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: December 03 2014 at 18:31
Area


Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 04 2014 at 18:59
Just took another listen to Spirit of Eden today. What a gorgeous album!

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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 07:55

oh for fs! don't let this happen!


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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 15:33
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"
That has to be in the same way all post rock bands are progressive but not prog then.
There'd be quite a few. Who cares anyway? 
True.
Just out of curiosity, Gabe, but what post rock bands do you consider prog? And do you consider these bands Prog or progressive rock? I can see that the earlist bands like Tortoise, Mogwai, GY!BE and Sigur Rós can be labelled progressive rock, but Prog?

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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 20:48
Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by The Bearded Bard The Bearded Bard wrote:

Originally posted by irrelevant irrelevant wrote:

Originally posted by akamaisondufromage akamaisondufromage wrote:

Any more Talk Talk fans out there? btw I'm sure they made two albums worthy of being progressive - some seem to be sayig only one of them is!?
Progressive but not "prog"
That has to be in the same way all post rock bands are progressive but not prog then.
There'd be quite a few. Who cares anyway? 
True.
Just out of curiosity, Gabe, but what post rock bands do you consider prog? And do you consider these bands Prog or progressive rock? I can see that the earlist bands like Tortoise, Mogwai, GY!BE and Sigur Rós can be labelled progressive rock, but Prog?
None that I can recall I would go and label "prog", unless an overlap with math rock is part of that band's recipe, but I think usually that results in a more math-rock styled group anyway. Post rock is represented on this site alongside the classic 70's prog groups, and rightfully so in my opinion, as you could say they share a willingness to explore and experiment with dynamics and textures in often longer-form compositions, so rock that is progressive.

Math rock generally has more in common with what I'd call prog, because of the heavy use of odd time sigs/time sig changes and the multiple change-ups of parts in a given piece of music, which leads to the question of why they decided to merge the two genres here but that's another topic.     




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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 04:41
Yeah, that's what i thought you meant, Gabe, rock that is progressive, not Prog, and I agree.

Not very familiar with the math rock part of the sub-genre, but I've seen Battles' music labeled as such, and their debut is perhaps the most prog post/math rock album I've heard, come to think of it, so I kind of see what you mean.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 06:12
How can a pop band of the 80s win?

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 06:30
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

How can a pop band of the 80s win?



They didn't. The poll was closed one week ago.


Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 06:31
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

How can a pop band of the 80s win?


Talk Talk didn't win.  The poll is finished .

Have you heard either of their last two albums?


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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 06:31
ninjad

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 07:07
Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

How can a pop band of the 80s win?


LOL they didn't man.

BUT if they had.. you.. and any Camel voters would have no room for complaint. A genuinely progressive and ground breaking group defeated by a generic knock off who contributed little to the genre. Akin to a pop group knocking off a prog band.  However it isn't about that is it. Smile

As a very wise long time PA's veteran once noted.. there really is no accounting for personal tastes. 




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