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Round 1 Rome Bracket: Uriah Heep v. TMV

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Topic: Round 1 Rome Bracket: Uriah Heep v. TMV
Posted By: micky
Subject: Round 1 Rome Bracket: Uriah Heep v. TMV
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 08:23
From the Heavy Prog Conference we have one of the greats from the 70's

From England

URIAH HEEP!!!




From the Heavy Prog Conference we have one of the most dynamic of modern groups.

From the U.S

THE MARS VOLTA!!!



Vegas oddmakers have The Mars Volta as a 10 vote favorite but can Uriah Heep bring an upset? Is PA's filled with 50 year old plus geezers? Of course it can LOL


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 08:30
Come away, Melinda  Wink

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 08:34
Take the veil, Cerpin Wink

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 08:37
Neither band that important to me, I probably prefer UH so I'll go with them.


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 08:49
Well, even if I am a 50+ geezerette Tongue, my vote goes to the mighty Mars Volta - a band I fell in love with instantaneously when I first heard Frances the Mute. Yes, they are an acquired taste, and not the most consistent of bands material-wise, but they possess that indefinable "something" that appeals to me. I do like UH a lot too, but I have always felt that Deep Purple were the benchmark for that particular style.


Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 08:59
The Heep are probably more important historically but I enjoy TMV much more.

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 09:28
I love Heep and really dislike TMV. Easy!

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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 09:37
Not a huge Heep fan but I don't like Mars Volta at all.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 09:41
Salisbury was one of my first prog albums via my father.

Easy vote plus perhaps I'm old, but TMV never connected with me.


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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 09:43
Perhaps Bob will appear here and vote... Cool

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Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 09:49
As classic as Heep are and I do enjoy them sometimes, it's definitely TMV for me.


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 10:05
I'm a HEEPER, I believe that Byron, Thain, Kerslake, Box and Hensley is one od the best formations ever.

GO HEEP


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 10:24
Very 'umbly vote for 'eep.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 10:26
TMV easily.


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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 11:44
I should like Heep but apart from one album i'm not much of a fan. The Mars Volta excite me and although I find their music difficult at times it is extremely engaging.

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Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 12:03
Definitely TMV. I'm not a big fan of Uriah Heep. TMV can be hit or miss, but I have a lot of respect for their music.


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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 12:36
I love Salisbury steak....Heep it on.

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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 14:07
TMV.


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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 14:16
The Heep have Salisbury, with one of the best prog suites ever... but Volta's got Deloused, Frances, Amputecture, and Nocturniquet.

Mars.


Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 14:27
Uriah Heep, mainly for Easy Livin'. i really like that track.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 15:12
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I'm a HEEPER, I believe that Byron, Thain, Kerslake, Box and Hensley is one od the best formations ever.

GO HEEP


Clap  I remembered well that you were!

Though they are a poor mans version of Deep Purple LOL


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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 15:14
Uriah HeepClap


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 15:41
The Heep.....never got what Mars Volta is all about.

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 16:25
I like both, but TMV a hell of a lot more!

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 18:29
TMV

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Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 20:08
Yikes. Only mild enjoyment of both. I think I'll go TMV because the only reason I don't listen to them more is that they give me a headache. Whereas Heep just fails to make much of an impression at all.

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 20:25
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

I'm a HEEPER, I believe that Byron, Thain, Kerslake, Box and Hensley is one od the best formations ever.

GO HEEP


Clap  I remembered well that you were!

Though they are a poor mans version of Deep Purple LOL

I believe it's the opposite.

No seriously, both were different bands with different musicval approach.


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Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 21:39
I think the success of "Easy Livin" gave them "the poor man's Deep Purple" title. Most of Heep's stuff pretty unique.


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 22:48
Originally posted by Friday13th Friday13th wrote:

I think the success of "Easy Livin" gave them "the poor man's Deep Purple" title. Most of Heep's stuff pretty unique.

Since "Look at Yourself", Uriah Heep embraces Prog until the departure of Gary Thain in a more radical way than Deep Purple.


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Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: December 07 2014 at 22:49
Hmm. The Mars Volta, possibly the greatest band of all time? Or a middleweight group who will win because they're from the 70s? Wink





Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 08 2014 at 00:01
Volta

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 08 2014 at 02:45
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Not a huge Heep fan but I don't like Mars Volta at all.

Something like this


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 08 2014 at 03:18
TMV while not always easy to listen to are challenging and always brilliant. UH are occasionally good fun but I struggle to take them seriously tbh.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 08 2014 at 04:31
The Mars Volta for me, although I do have a fantastic memory of seeing Uriah Heep as my first ever rock concert here in DK. Still, while I have most of their 70s output none of it really puts it's hand down my trousers. Nice background music though, if you're entertaining drunk Swedes in your apartment. Zeppelin will do the trick tooTongue

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: December 08 2014 at 11:31
I respect TMV for being different

but I like Heep more

voted Heep


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Posted By: Walton Street
Date Posted: December 08 2014 at 11:40
Originally posted by digdug digdug wrote:

I respect TMV for being different

but I like Heep more

voted Heep
 
pretty much how i feel


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Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: December 12 2014 at 22:24
Where are you, Volta fans?!


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 03:03
Originally posted by Kazza3 Kazza3 wrote:

Where are you, Volta fans?!

probably leaving for a site that actually cares about real progWink


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 06:19
Uriah Heep with Ken Hensley and David Byron era? Without these two it's a completely different band really. Ouch


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 06:48
Originally posted by Kazza3 Kazza3 wrote:

Where are you, Volta fans?!


I don't ever remember a large fanclub for the group ever really taking hold here.

It always seemed to be a bit of a love 'em or leave em' kind of group.  Not haters per se but definitely an acquired taste.

Then again Uriah Heep can be seen in the Camel mold of prog groups.  Good band with some good albums but in all honesty can be described as a good example of 2nd division prog. Nothing particularly ground breaking or exceptional but very competent.  It is about what I figured it might be. A close vote.


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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 06:55
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by Kazza3 Kazza3 wrote:

Where are you, Volta fans?!


I don't ever remember a large fanclub for the group ever really taking hold here.

It always seemed to be a bit of a love 'em or leave em' kind of group.  Not haters per se but definitely an acquired taste.

Then again Uriah Heep can be seen in the Camel mold of prog groups.  Good band with some good albums but in all honesty can be described as a good example of 2nd division prog. Nothing particularly ground breaking or exceptional but very competent.  It is about what I figured it might be. A close vote.
Micky naughty corner for you this time! hahaha!!! You are very naughty by calling UH  2nd division prog HAHAHA LOL I think you know there were two eras of Uriah Heep first one with David Byron and Ken Hensley Wink let me post 4 tracks of that era and if you still think they were 2nd grade prog, I'll accept that ok? Big smile hugs Hug


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 06:59
Hah. Kati dear.  I'm a big fan of Uriah Heep. In fact Salisbury was one of the albums that got me into prog as a child.  Love the group, but loving a group doesn't mean you toss your objectivity out the window either haha


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:04
This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started. In the Seventies, progressive rock was about daring and innovation, not necessarily abut nice music that caresses our collective ears. While TMV are definitely an acquired taste, and were not the most consistent of bands by any means, it is hard to deny their influence on many modern prog bands (just listen to Thank You Scientist if you need any further proof). As I said in my post of a few days ago, I do like UH, but there is absolutely no comparison between the two bands in terms of progressiveness.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:05
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Hah. Kati dear.  I'm a big fan of Uriah Heep. In fact Salisbury was one of the albums that got me into prog as a child.  Love the group, but loving a group doesn't mean you toss your objectivity out the window either haha
hahahaha Micky wow Salisbury is my favorite album of their because of the track with the same name. Due to the difficulty of this track they only ever performed this live on stage 3 times I think Smile hugs Hug


Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:09
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started.


A less than 10% voting difference across 51 people and without a similar measurement from 10 years ago proves no such thing. Or does it?

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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:09
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started. In the Seventies, progressive rock was about daring and innovation, not necessarily abut nice music that caresses our collective ears. While TMV are definitely an acquired taste, and were not the most consistent of bands by any means, it is hard to deny their influence on many modern prog bands (just listen to Thank You Scientist if you need any further proof). As I said in my post of a few days ago, I do like UH, but there is absolutely no comparison between the two bands in terms of progressiveness.
Awww Raff surely no denying this is not prog and brilliant Smile infact I dedicate this to you my pretty friend. Hugs Hugxxx


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:13
this version of July is even better :) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs  hugs Hug


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:17
I like Mars Volta a lot, infact I have voted yet, however none of their tracks are as iconic as these to be honest SmileUriah Heep - The Wizard   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaRXQkuB2SM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaRXQkuB2SM
David Byron might have looked like a gay porn star but he was one of the best vocalists to date Big smile hugs Hug


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:24
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started.


A less than 10% voting difference across 51 people and without a similar measurement from 10 years ago proves no such thing. Or does it?

Well, it does give one to think a bit.  Not the concept of a poll per se. But the bands in question here.  I am quite shocked Heep are winning this and I am not a Heep hater at all.  I like Salisbury and also Very Heavy Very Humble.  Nor do I resent different tastes but the implications of what kind of prog fan demographic such a result suggests just makes me wonder.  Raff has summed up the point pretty well here.  TMV was once compared on this forum to the Ys album of Balletto Di Bronzo.  That's how hardcore we are talking.  Where have all those fans gone? Cry


Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:28
Well, for starters they are probably not even voting in polls, because they aren't interested?

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 07:43
I'd like to believe that is all there is to it.  But a discussion couple of days back or so on another thread with Toaster Mantis where he said new prog metal has a kind of retro orientation rather than the out of box stuff that was accepted few years back, makes me consider the possibility that there's more to it than that.  It may be that prog preferences are pretty streamlined now as opposed to seeking out something eclectic or more experimental.  I am not judging whether it's a good or a bad thing because it's all music, but this change does surprise me.  Maybe I shouldn't be surprised because I remember a few years a metal fan was asking for recommendations like Phideaux which he thought was good stuff to chill out. And I thought, what an odd reason to listen to prog.  But that may be the prevailing fashion now and this poll does suggest a preference for something in the comfort zone rather than out of it.  TMV don't really polarise as much as DT.  Another possibility is with their break up, some of their fans lost interest in prog altogether and have stopped coming to the forum.


Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:33
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

This result proves quite clearly that prog fans in the second decade of the 21st century have become much more mainstream-oriented than they used to be when the movement first started.


A less than 10% voting difference across 51 people and without a similar measurement from 10 years ago proves no such thing. Or does it?

Well, it does give one to think a bit.  Not the concept of a poll per se. But the bands in question here.  I am quite shocked Heep are winning this and I am not a Heep hater at all.  I like Salisbury and also Very Heavy Very Humble.  Nor do I resent different tastes but the implications of what kind of prog fan demographic such a result suggests just makes me wonder.  Raff has summed up the point pretty well here.  TMV was once compared on this forum to the Ys album of Balletto Di Bronzo.  That's how hardcore we are talking.  Where have all those fans gone? Cry

Perhaps too much is being read into this. To me Heep is just okay. I love YS and some really out there modern stuff as well but don't like The Mars Volta at all. Strictly a matter of taste and nothing to do with trends.




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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:40
I am not saying you, or anybody else for that  matter, have to like TMV just because they are more experimental etc. But I do remember a time not so long ago when they were one of the hottest bands on PA, and probably in prog as such too, especially with PT reaching a dead end.  Hotter than say Haken were around 2012-13.  So it's kind of staggering if all those fans have disappeared.  


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:43
Please do post song suggestions for us to listen, I think this is a good expressive way to make us hear and understand why too? :) xxx


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:45
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Uriah Heep with Ken Hensley and David Byron era? Without these two it's a completely different band really. Ouch

Hi my dear cheerleader.

Add Gary Thain, the most underrated bass player in Rock history (John Wetton replaced him and being a great bassist, couldn't fill his shoes), a real genius until he was electrocuted on stage and never was the same.

Iván


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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:48
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I am not saying you, or anybody else for that  matter, have to like TMV just because they are more experimental etc. But I do remember a time not so long ago when they were one of the hottest bands on PA, and probably in prog as such too, especially with PT reaching a dead end.  Hotter than say Haken were around 2012-13.  So it's kind of staggering if all those fans have disappeared.  

Good point. I remember when this place was rife with posts about TMV. That's why I gave them a serious effort. But there is also that "new toy" phase when an innovator breaks out. The fervor has to die down to some degree.




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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:51
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Please do post song suggestions for us to listen, I think this is a good expressive way to make us hear and understand why too? :) xxx


Ok.  Warning you beforehand, though, that they can be very difficult to get into initially. I wondered initially what the frickin' deal was supposed to be until it 'clicked'.



By the by, just noticed that Deloused in a Comatorium has 967 ratings.  That's nearly double of Salisbury.  That's what I am referring to. Even Frances The Mute comfortably has more ratings than Salisbury and both albums have an average rating of above 4.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:51
Originally posted by bhikkhu bhikkhu wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I am not saying you, or anybody else for that  matter, have to like TMV just because they are more experimental etc. But I do remember a time not so long ago when they were one of the hottest bands on PA, and probably in prog as such too, especially with PT reaching a dead end.  Hotter than say Haken were around 2012-13.  So it's kind of staggering if all those fans have disappeared.  

Good point. I remember when this place was rife with posts about TMV. That's why I gave them a serious effort. But there is also that "new toy" phase when an innovator breaks out. The fervor has to die down to some degree.




Which is kind of my point and also, I am guessing, Raff's. 


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 09:58
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Uriah Heep with Ken Hensley and David Byron era? Without these two it's a completely different band really. Ouch

Hi my dear cheerleader.

Add Gary Thain, the most underrated bass player in Rock history (John Wetton replaced him and being a great bassist, couldn't fill his shoes), a real genius until he was electrocuted on stage and never was the same.

Iván
Ivan! Hello! Hug Gary Thain oh yes awww awww yes this is so true he was brilliant especially on Magicians Birthday and Demons and Wizards, God yes!!! Absolutely brilliant!
I cannot dismiss John Wetton tho' that guy has a pedigree resume for miles long Smile  he also happens to be on some of my favorite albums too. Big smile but I love you way more tho' Approve yes, oui da da ja si sim ahum yep!much much much more! Yes Hug


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:03
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Please do post song suggestions for us to listen, I think this is a good expressive way to make us hear and understand why too? :) xxx


Ok.  Warning you beforehand, though, that they can be very difficult to get into initially. I wondered initially what the frickin' deal was supposed to be until it 'clicked'.



By the by, just noticed that Deloused in a Comatorium has 967 ratings.  That's nearly double of Salisbury.  That's what I am referring to. Even Frances The Mute comfortably has more ratings than Salisbury and both albums have an average rating of above 4.
HAHAHA Brilliant this!!!!!!! whooheeeee hahaha that bass silence bit after the drums with vocals is wow! Ah !!!! xxxx thank you Clap big hug HugOh wow loving this and I am glad they are very clever with their pauses while not sounding like liquid tension experiment. Dang the percussion is brilliant!


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:03
only at 3.30 min here


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:04
Well, I seem to remember a time when the "progginess" (a word I hate btwWink) of Uriah Heep was questioned. Personally, I find them pleasant but somewhat repetitive. TMV, on the other hand, clicked immediately with me - though I am well aware that they are not for everyone. Anyway, the point I wanted to make in my previous post has not so much to do with TMV as with the alarming trend among prog fans to play it safe. This is one of the reasons why many genuinely exciting modern progressive acts shun the traditional "prog" circuits, and get a lot of exposure at events that have a wider target audience.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:05
Glad you liked your first sampling of TMV.  In that case, would suggest the album itself, Deloused in a Comatorium.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:08
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Well, I seem to remember a time when the "progginess" (a word I hate btwWink) of Uriah Heep was questioned. Personally, I find them pleasant but somewhat repetitive. TMV, on the other hand, clicked immediately with me - though I am well aware that they are not for everyone. Anyway, the point I wanted to make in my previous post has not so much to do with TMV as with the alarming trend among prog fans to play it safe. This is one of the reasons why many genuinely exciting modern progressive acts shun the traditional "prog" circuits, and get a lot of exposure at events that have a wider target audience.

I think, seeing as Kati is enjoying Drunkship of Lanterns just now, somewhere the popularity of bands like TMV has ebbed.  It took me aback when I realised I would have to actually introduce somebody to TMV, didn't think it would be necessary on this site but the day has come.  If what you have described in the last sentence is happening, it can only be a good thing in my view and will help prog, in the spirit that was implied in the 70s, get a fresh lease of life.  What prog music needs is exposure to more open minded listeners again that are not too specific in their needs as the retro-loving crowd can be.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:09
Wow gnack gack gnack!!!!!! I loved this track! The Mars Volta - Drunkship of Lanterns !!!!n Aaaaahhhh, must replay now yay yay! Those everchanging layers are aaaaahhhhh  ClapApproveThumbs Up huge hug Hug


Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:11
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

(snip) This is one of the reasons why many genuinely exciting modern progressive acts shun the traditional "prog" circuits, and get a lot of exposure at events that have a wider target audience.

(snip) If what you have described in the last sentence is happening, it can only be a good thing in my view and will help prog, in the spirit that was implied in the 70s, get a fresh lease of life.  What prog music needs is exposure to more open minded listeners again that are not too specific in their needs as the retro-loving crowd can be.

Seconded, thirded and accepted. No more labelling and pigeonholing, focus on the music people want to hear.Clap


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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:12
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Well, I seem to remember a time when the "progginess" (a word I hate btwWink) of Uriah Heep was questioned. Personally, I find them pleasant but somewhat repetitive. TMV, on the other hand, clicked immediately with me - though I am well aware that they are not for everyone. Anyway, the point I wanted to make in my previous post has not so much to do with TMV as with the alarming trend among prog fans to play it safe. This is one of the reasons why many genuinely exciting modern progressive acts shun the traditional "prog" circuits, and get a lot of exposure at events that have a wider target audience.

I think, seeing as Kati is enjoying Drunkship of Lanterns just now, somewhere the popularity of bands like TMV has ebbed.  It took me aback when I realised I would have to actually introduce somebody to TMV, didn't think it would be necessary on this site but the day has come.  If what you have described in the last sentence is happening, it can only be a good thing in my view and will help prog, in the spirit that was implied in the 70s, get a fresh lease of life.  What prog music needs is exposure to more open minded listeners again that are not too specific in their needs as the retro-loving crowd can be.
God yes hats off to that track, however early UH was prog not meh prog but great really umphft! Salisbury for me I put at the same level as Focus Eruption! Hug to you Smile rogerthat Hug


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:14
Hugs to you as well Hug


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:18
Early Uriah Heep is not meh nor neh Raff, to date no one sounds like David Byron and Ken Hensley wrote most amazing pieces too. To say that they were any less, I absolutely disagree with you here.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:22
UH are a nice enough band I enjoy listening to when they come on but I remember a time I actively reached for them. Whereas I don't really like TMV. I have one of their albums Frances The Mute and it hasn't connected at all.


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:22
@Kati: Actually I don't think she is saying that.  What she said (that their progginess was questioned once on this website) is true; it did happen.  As I said, it simply reflects how much this forum has changed.  In the fashion of old proggy-fogeys, "you had to be there".  LOL  Seriously, this once super-elitist forum that used to sneer at additions like, even, Radiohead voting Heep over TMV reflects a great deal of change.  


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:25
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

@Kati: Actually I don't think she is saying that.  What she said (that their progginess was questioned once on this website) is true; it did happen.  As I said, it simply reflects how much this forum has changed.  In the fashion of old proggy-fogeys, "you had to be there".  LOL  Seriously, this once super-elitist forum that used to sneer at additions like, even, Radiohead voting Heep over TMV reflects a great deal of change.  


Thank youSmile! This is exactly what I meant. And, as I said before, this has nothing to do with TMV specifically, but with an attitude that both you, Ian, and I have noticed in our fellow prog fans.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:32

Right now this has to do with early UH and why I considered them prog. They were, right now absolutely not.



Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:37
I think most would agree that Salisbury by itself seals the deal.  Well...again, it's just difficult to explain how this came to be questioned on this forum at a certain point but that is just how things happened.  It is a fashion now to claim PA would add just about any interesting/weird sounding rock band to the database but I seem to remember a time when almost nothing barring the chosen few like KC, GG, Genesis, Yes was above questioning.  There were threads questioning whether PF was prog.  A thread by a prog metal team collab suggesting prog metal is not prog rock, based on very meticulous analysis done earlier by Cert1fied.  More than anything, I am simply bemused by these developments LOL.  I have been active on this forum for at least 6 years and I never paid particular attention to these changes.  Guess it takes a thread like this to throw a spotlight on just how much things have changed.  LOL


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 10:43
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I think most would agree that Salisbury by itself seals the deal.  Well...again, it's just difficult to explain how this came to be questioned on this forum at a certain point but that is just how things happened.  It is a fashion now to claim PA would add just about any interesting/weird sounding rock band to the database but I seem to remember a time when almost nothing barring the chosen few like KC, GG, Genesis, Yes was above questioning.  There were threads questioning whether PF was prog.  A thread by a prog metal team collab suggesting prog metal is not prog rock, based on very meticulous analysis done earlier by Cert1fied.  More than anything, I am simply bemused by these developments LOL.  I have been active on this forum for at least 6 years and I never paid particular attention to these changes.  Guess it takes a thread like this to throw a spotlight on just how much things have changed.  LOL
rogerthat you cute thing, besides Salisbury all you need to listen is to Ken Hensley on mellotron and Byron on vocals with July Morning to be convinced reallyWink https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs&index=3&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwMnzu3X4ADg_4lK7g75AIDM" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs&index=3&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwMnzu3X4ADg_4lK7g75AIDM a massive hug to you Hug


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 11:02

Dedicate this to everyone David Byron - Weep In Silence // Uriah Heep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8O57RRhNcc&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwMnzu3X4ADg_4lK7g75AIDM&index=11" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8O57RRhNcc&list=PLMyHPEAFkfwMnzu3X4ADg_4lK7g75AIDM&index=11



Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 11:10
The Mars Volta

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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 12:30
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

 I have been active on this forum for at least 6 years and I never paid particular attention to these changes.  Guess it takes a thread like this to throw a spotlight on just how much things have changed.  LOL

A lot has changed for sure, but you just don't notice until you run into it. It's like what happens to a frog when you put it in a pan of cold water and then slowly heat it up. It won't notice until it gets cooked alive. (If you throw it in a pan of hot water however, it will try to jump out immediately, but that's less relevant here.)
That metaphor fits everywhere (although we mainly use it in organisational advice) and certainly applies here also. A lot has changed since I first came here, and the biggest changes I noticed after being away for about a year after retiring as admin. That's also when I noticed that the biggest changes were not caused by the admins or the collaborators but by the regular members.

To proof the truth of the metaphor: after a fight that caused a guitarist and a keyboard player to split, we concluded as a band that this had been waiting to happen for almost 2 years. To never forget that, we actually renamed ourselves Bucket of Frogs LOL.


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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 12:33
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

UH are a nice enough band I enjoy listening to when they come on but I remember a time I actively reached for them. Whereas I don't really like TMV. I have one of their albums Frances The Mute and it hasn't connected at all.

Same here, and still... after playing two random tracks based on this discussion - there is something in there. Guess it pays of to not get rid of any album you ever buy, as long as you take the effort to listen to it at a later time if you don't like it straight away. 


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Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: December 13 2014 at 21:29
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

HAHAHA Brilliant this!!!!!!! whooheeeee hahaha that bass silence bit after the drums with vocals is wow! Ah !!!! xxxx thank you Clap big hug HugOh wow loving this and I am glad they are very clever with their pauses while not sounding like liquid tension experiment. Dang the percussion is brilliant!
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Wow gnack gack gnack!!!!!! I loved this track! The Mars Volta - Drunkship of Lanterns !!!!n Aaaaahhhh, must replay now yay yay! Those everchanging layers are aaaaahhhhh  ClapApproveThumbs Up huge hug Hug


ClapHandshake


This is how it begins! Volta fever! Good to see.


I'm probably close to the biggest TMV fan on this forum, so while I have no objectivity in this whatsoever, this has been an interesting discussion from all of you. I'm fully aware that while most people on this forum have a lot of respect for Volta, it's not for everybody, and I'm not terribly surprised at the result (if the current votes hold). I think there's a truth to what is being said about prog fans increasingly going for the safe options, but that's their prerogative.


Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: December 15 2014 at 18:42
My son will disown me but i go with Uriah Heep

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: December 15 2014 at 19:40
I passed over them last time, but this time the Heep takes it hands down.

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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 19 2014 at 20:32
Originally posted by Kazza3 Kazza3 wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

HAHAHA Brilliant this!!!!!!! whooheeeee hahaha that bass silence bit after the drums with vocals is wow! Ah !!!! xxxx thank you Clap big hug HugOh wow loving this and I am glad they are very clever with their pauses while not sounding like liquid tension experiment. Dang the percussion is brilliant!
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Wow gnack gack gnack!!!!!! I loved this track! The Mars Volta - Drunkship of Lanterns !!!!n Aaaaahhhh, must replay now yay yay! Those everchanging layers are aaaaahhhhh  ClapApproveThumbs Up huge hug Hug


ClapHandshake
big hug to you, Kazza3 Big smileHug

This is how it begins! Volta fever! Good to see.


I'm probably close to the biggest TMV fan on this forum, so while I have no objectivity in this whatsoever, this has been an interesting discussion from all of you. I'm fully aware that while most people on this forum have a lot of respect for Volta, it's not for everybody, and I'm not terribly surprised at the result (if the current votes hold). I think there's a truth to what is being said about prog fans increasingly going for the safe options, but that's their prerogative.


Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 01:47
The Mars Volta

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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 03:15
I am posting here only 3 tracks by Uriah Heep, please have a listen :), these are what define Uriah Heep for me:
1. uriah heep - july morning 1972 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs
2. Uriah heep - the wizard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iuaxvkXv4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iuaxvkXv4
and my ultimate fav prolific fab favorite 3. Uriah Heep - Salisbury LP 1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazJqiaFFts" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazJqiaFFts
Have a listen please :) wow so good really, early Uriah Heep with David Byron and Ken Hensley :) <3 xxxxxxxxx
Let ,e know if you have listened and if you don't like it's ok too but have a listen please :) hugs


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 03:18
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

I am posting here only 3 tracks by Uriah Heep, please have a listen :), these are what define Uriah Heep for me:
1. uriah heep - july morning 1972 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs
2. Uriah heep - the wizard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iuaxvkXv4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iuaxvkXv4
and my ultimate fav prolific fab favorite 3. Uriah Heep - Salisbury LP 1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazJqiaFFts" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazJqiaFFts
Have a listen please :) wow so good really, early Uriah Heep with David Byron and Ken Hensley :) <3 xxxxxxxxx
Let ,e know if you have listened and if you don't like it's ok too but have a listen please :) hugs
Salisbury from same titled album is my favorite track of theirs, this was only ever performed 3 times live to date :) hug Hug


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 04:22
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

I am posting here only 3 tracks by Uriah Heep, please have a listen :), these are what define Uriah Heep for me:
1. uriah heep - july morning 1972 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzRrGNygjzs
2. Uriah heep - the wizard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iuaxvkXv4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iuaxvkXv4
and my ultimate fav prolific fab favorite 3. Uriah Heep - Salisbury LP 1971 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazJqiaFFts" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hazJqiaFFts
Have a listen please :) wow so good really, early Uriah Heep with David Byron and Ken Hensley :) <3 xxxxxxxxx
Let ,e know if you have listened and if you don't like it's ok too but have a listen please :) hugs
Salisbury from same titled album is my favorite track of theirs, this was only ever performed 3 times live to date :) hug Hug
 I am very disappointed about no reply here :( yep maybe I don't deserve to be or should be here at all.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 04:29
not having any feedback which is even more disarming, not nice makes you doubt if one wants to be or belong here to be honest and I just want to be happy friendly but remove myself from any negativity too. I can do this easily and block all else xxx


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 04:51
Ohh if you only knew how many links and vids people post every day that go by unnoticed, Sonia😉
You are certainly not the only one. I'd say that probably 75% of all the YouTubes I've ever posted went the same way, but I gather this is mostly down to the fact that everyone else is doing the same thing. If we had to check out all these tubes, there would be no time for anything else😊
Also, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members know these tracks you've posted. Personally I tend to check out things I'm unfamiliar with....or else I can always pop on a cd with superior sound quality😉

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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 05:02
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Ohh if you only knew how many links and vids people post every day that go by unnoticed, Sonia😉
You are certainly not the only one. I'd say that probably 75% of all the YouTubes I've ever posted went the same way, but I gather this is mostly down to the fact that everyone else is doing the same thing. If we had to check out all these tubes, there would be no time for anything else😊
Also, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members know these tracks you've posted. Personally I tend to check out things I'm unfamiliar with....or else I can always pop on a cd with superior sound quality😉
Awww Guldbamsen, you make everything so much better :) thank you. I honestly can say that I love you too much, thank you xxxxxxxx Again thank you very much, Guldbamsen HeartHugI do however like you much more on that Heston Blumenthal wearing a bikini top picture of yours, no one can beat that it's priceless lol love that pic Big smile big hug Hug


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 05:06
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Ohh if you only knew how many links and vids people post every day that go by unnoticed, Sonia😉
You are certainly not the only one. I'd say that probably 75% of all the YouTubes I've ever posted went the same way, but I gather this is mostly down to the fact that everyone else is doing the same thing. If we had to check out all these tubes, there would be no time for anything else😊
Also, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members know these tracks you've posted. Personally I tend to check out things I'm unfamiliar with....or else I can always pop on a cd with superior sound quality😉
Awww Guldbamsen, you make everything so much better :) thank you. I honestly can say that I love you too much, thank you xxxxxxxx Again thank you very much, Guldbamsen HeartHugI do however like you much more on that Heston Blumenthal wearing a bikini top picture of yours, no one can beat that it's priceless lol love that pic Big smile big hug Hug
Guldbamsen, you are so nice, thank you so much! xxxxxxx


Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 05:20
70's Heep is mightier than 2-3 very good TMV albums Tongue


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 05:24
Originally posted by aapatsos aapatsos wrote:

70's Heep is mightier than 2-3 very good TMV albums Tongue
aapatsos, what you said makes me so happy, because you do recognize they were really great during that era, thank you so much :) HeartHugxxxx


Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 07:24
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

not having any feedback which is even more disarming, not nice makes you doubt if one wants to be or belong here to be honest and I just want to be happy friendly but remove myself from any negativity too. I can do this easily and block all else xxx
Don't fret Kati-I've been a Uriah Heep fan for atleast 30+ years.I thought i was about the only one who liked the track "Salisbury" from the album of the same title,since there is not much talk of it,so now i know i'm not alone.Another track from the album Salisbury i really like is "The Park".Also as you mentioned July Morning & The Wizard are both excellent.I could talk on & on about Heep but i'll keep it short.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 07:42
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Ohh if you only knew how many links and vids people post every day that go by unnoticed, Sonia😉
You are certainly not the only one. I'd say that probably 75% of all the YouTubes I've ever posted went the same way, but I gather this is mostly down to the fact that everyone else is doing the same thing. If we had to check out all these tubes, there would be no time for anything else😊
Also, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members know these tracks you've posted. Personally I tend to check out things I'm unfamiliar with....or else I can always pop on a cd with superior sound quality😉
Awww Guldbamsen, you make everything so much better :) thank you. I honestly can say that I love you too much, thank you xxxxxxxx Again thank you very much, Guldbamsen HeartHugI do however like you much more on that Heston Blumenthal wearing a bikini top picture of yours, no one can beat that it's priceless lol love that pic Big smile big hug Hug
Guldbamsen, you are so nice, thank you so much! xxxxxxx

Well right back atcha SoniaBig smile 
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 08:13
Originally posted by Kentucky_Hawkwindage Kentucky_Hawkwindage wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

not having any feedback which is even more disarming, not nice makes you doubt if one wants to be or belong here to be honest and I just want to be happy friendly but remove myself from any negativity too. I can do this easily and block all else xxx
Don't fret Kati-I've been a Uriah Heep fan for atleast 30+ years.I thought i was about the only one who liked the track "Salisbury" from the album of the same title,since there is not much talk of it,so now i know i'm not alone.Another track from the album Salisbury i really like is "The Park".Also as you mentioned July Morning & The Wizard are both excellent.I could talk on & on about Heep but i'll keep it short.
Kentucky_Hawkwindage Heart I like you so much! Thank you HugBesides Black Sabbath this is for you Wink (Nothing is going to change my world)HugThe Beatles - Across The Universe, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9n1bAahg4" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN9n1bAahg4  xxxxx


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 08:18
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Ohh if you only knew how many links and vids people post every day that go by unnoticed, Sonia😉
You are certainly not the only one. I'd say that probably 75% of all the YouTubes I've ever posted went the same way, but I gather this is mostly down to the fact that everyone else is doing the same thing. If we had to check out all these tubes, there would be no time for anything else😊
Also, I'm pretty sure the vast majority of members know these tracks you've posted. Personally I tend to check out things I'm unfamiliar with....or else I can always pop on a cd with superior sound quality😉
Awww Guldbamsen, you make everything so much better :) thank you. I honestly can say that I love you too much, thank you xxxxxxxx Again thank you very much, Guldbamsen HeartHugI do however like you much more on that Heston Blumenthal wearing a bikini top picture of yours, no one can beat that it's priceless lol love that pic Big smile big hug Hug
Guldbamsen, you are so nice, thank you so much! xxxxxxx

Well right back atcha SoniaBig smile 
The bikini pic is one I only use during holidays, and for short periods of time - mostly because I very quickly tire of looking at myselfEmbarrassed
Much rather look at one of my fave girls drinking milk.
It's holidays festive season btw Wink plus it's not all about you and how you feel looking at yourself, that's a tad selfish don't you think? Tongue Now give me Heston Blumenthal bikini top wearing hot brother back! Evil Smile


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 08:31
LOL

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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 08:33
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

LOL
Big smileHug


Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 08:44
Originally posted by Kentucky_Hawkwindage Kentucky_Hawkwindage wrote:

Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

not having any feedback which is even more disarming, not nice makes you doubt if one wants to be or belong here to be honest and I just want to be happy friendly but remove myself from any negativity too. I can do this easily and block all else xxx
Don't fret Kati-I've been a Uriah Heep fan for atleast 30+ years.I thought i was about the only one who liked the track "Salisbury" from the album of the same title,since there is not much talk of it,so now i know i'm not alone.Another track from the album Salisbury i really like is "The Park".Also as you mentioned July Morning & The Wizard are both excellent.I could talk on & on about Heep but i'll keep it short.
Very heavy very Humble and Salisbury are the Heep albums that I love more. So at least we are three.


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