Portland Reg. Semi Fin 1 - Camel v. Gentle Giant
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Topic: Portland Reg. Semi Fin 1 - Camel v. Gentle Giant
Posted By: micky
Subject: Portland Reg. Semi Fin 1 - Camel v. Gentle Giant
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:28
From the Symphonic Conference we have.. Camel.  From the Eclectic Conference we have.. Gentle Giant!!! Vegas has installed Gentle Giant as a 15 vote favorite. Can Camel pull the upset? Of course they can. Will they? We shall see! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:29
Does the video refer to Camel, Lake & Palmer?  ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:30
Camel... but if that in the first video is really Camel then my vote goes for Gentle Giant. ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:32
Don't change that. Automatic GG voting here. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
micky wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:34
whoops...------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:37
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now that the axe has been buried with Camel. I can honestly say.. I like some of their stuff. However Gentle Giant is another league ... they get my vote...a perennial 1st division Prog band. No Prog league championships perhaps... but always a threat to occasionally knock off one of the blood blue bands. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:40
A Freudian slip. ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Tuzvihar
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:41
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BTW, also voted for GG. ------------- "Music is much like f**king, but some composers can't climax and others climax too often, leaving themselves and the listener jaded and spent." Charles Bukowski |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 08:51
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However much I love GG (and I used to hate them), Camel just make better music for me. Not as progressive perhaps, but just nicer to listen to. Camel stirs your emotions like no other band, and they're still around and making great music. GG never quite made one definitive, perfect album, although Free Hand comes close. They made lots of really good ones and are in my top 10 bands of all time. Camel made The Snow Goose, and music just doesn't get better than that. Add Mirage, Moonmadness, Nude, Rajaz and A Nod and A Wink and they win by a small bur clear margin. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 09:00
| CAMEL. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 09:01
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Camel for some of the same reasons Hercules pointed out. They were also one of the very first bands I got into when I was a boy. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 09:14
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Camel, yes! Pictures at an Exhibition, yes! Gentle Giant, no. |
Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 09:19
Funniest thing I've seen all day. ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 09:58
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I'm still riding Camel. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 10:01
| The Giant just does not resonate with me. Another vote for Camel... |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 10:02
| Pantagruel. |
Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 10:03
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Good choice using Knots as the sample. When did Camel ever come up with anything even half as interesting? ------------- a.k.a. H.T. http://riekels.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow - http://riekels.wordpress.com |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 10:27
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GG by millions of miles |
Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 11:09
Exactly! ------------- 
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 11:21
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I like some Camel but I like most GG ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 11:46
| I voted GG cause the run of albums all the way up to Free Hand is incredible, though I like Mirage more than any GG album. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 11:55
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Some Gentle Giant albums are fantastic, like Acquiring The Taste and Three Friends, but Camel has the albums from Mirage up to and including Rain Dances, Nude, and some brilliant tracks still on albums like Breathless and The Single Factor, and... and... My vote goes to Camel
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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 12:28
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^This CamELP for me. ------------- 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 12:44
Ha, I can still see that the mighty Camel swallowed ELP
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 12:49
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Camel. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 13:06
Thats where the hump on the Camel came from... -------------
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 13:16
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 14:13
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Since Camel completed the important task of knocking off ELP they can now be retired. Gentle Giant ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 14:26
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The first clip is not representative of Camel. Camel gives me more enjoyment. More refreshing. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 14:28
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 14:29
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Gentle Giant is in my top 7 bands, Camel is in my top 25 list so aGG ittis. -------------  
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 14:31
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The hardest of these semi-finals by far, but I go for Gentle Giant. ------------- 
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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 15:07
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GG. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 15:09
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I've got the hump. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 15:41
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G2 ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 17:29
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Giant ------------- |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 17:50
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GG ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Kentucky_Hawkwindage
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 17:56
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G.G. ------------- "Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 18:25
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He is coming; Hear him coming; Are you ready For his being? See the Giant Feel the Giant Touch the Giant Hear the Giant. -------------  
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 19:01
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Gentle Giant. Camel is not anywhere near the same level. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 19:24
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Camelus dromedarius. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 19:37
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Gentle Giant - no contest ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 20:30
| The Knights of Camelot ... again. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 20:39
Indeed
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 20 2014 at 20:43
chosen for several reasons. And yes.. that was a major intended point. The other being ... that sample .. perhaps more than any single PA's song sample has probably completely enthalled new proggies and turned them onto a specific group. Really few groups really did something that interesting .. and definitely as few did something that distinctive. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 00:24
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Camel. -------------  One of my best achievements in life was to find this picture :D |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 00:29
Yeah, one of the few prog groups that could claim contrapuntal vocal harmonies as their signature, as the one thing that makes them unique.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 00:39
| I like both, but Camel it is. |
Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 01:57
I love my Gentle Giant, but to contrast to your Knots: What about Supertwister? High-speed, signature, Camel-sound. Short, complex, many movements, like your Knots. While I love Gentle Giant, after I finish that album, I don't think, 'S**t, I need to take a second to let that sink in...' like after listening to The Snow Goose. After the ending Great Marsh dies out, I have to take a breather from music. I let La Princesse soak in, because it's that good. ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 02:02
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Er, in the ELP-Camel poll, I compared Supertwister to the Canterbury band Supersister and somebody opined that Supertwister was perhaps too mild to be similar to Canterbury. I like that track a lot by the way, but I can only comment on how relaxing it is. It's not even close to as zany as Knots. Nearly all of GG is zany and therein their biggest asset and liability. It's hard to emotionally relate to them (at least for me) but, as I mentioned in my review of Octopus, that's like asking why there's so little overtaking in Formula 1. When GG is so mind boggling that it takes a few listens, at first, just to understand what's going on, emotions can come later.
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Posted By: Raccoon
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 02:12
I never understood the comparison of Camel to Canterbury (besides that strange Breathless-era!) but you're right. Nothing compares to the 'zaniness' of GG. No band in the history of bands out of all the bands in the world sound like Gentle Giant, and that says something. They're mad geniuses. I just find my emotional connections with Camel. They're one of the first real, real prog bands I discovered. Bought Snow Goose on iTunes (because every 15-year-old boy loves iTunes) and was stunned. I listened to Pink Floyd, a bit of early Genesis, but never made that connection. Camel sparked the flame!! ------------- Check out my FREE album: A one-man project The Distant Dynasty |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 02:16
| I don't really disagree (besides you are describing your tastes and far be it for me to comment). I do find GG lacking in emotional resonance and it is their brilliance in composition as well as in rendering said compositions that I love. Camel, while a lot more staid, can be more emotionally satisfying if you are patient with their approach. Latimer's leads hardly need to be mentioned. I still love Mirage. Not so sure about their other albums. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 02:41
 ...  I've always felt "Knots" was rather unfocused, i.e. too loose rhythmically and harmonically.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 02:58
Same with me. Once I've listened to The Snow Goose, I can't listen to anything else for a few hours. Gentle Giant amaze me - that vibraphone solo in Knots is utterly astonishing - but they don't feed my emotions like Camel do. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 02:59
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Despite mi nick, I vote for Camel ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 05:55
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GG ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 06:59
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Gentle Giant.......but I don't really like Knots. Go figure. The first 4 albums though, yummy yum yum. From there on they got a wee bit too technical and cold for my tastes. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:04
Indeed. Perhaps not a commonly held thought, but definitely one a good number of us share. I really ADORE those first four, the later albums...ehh.. really good.. but simply too cold and impersonal even if technically flawless to really enjoy. It is the first 4 that earned the group Mick-love.. I really have little time for cold souless perfection.. which is why those post Octopus albums get so little play from me. Respect them... I simply don't enjoy them the way I do the first 4.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:17
I actually prefer the post Phil albums overall because I think they tightened up their compositions a bit, even if they dropped atmosphere almost completely. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:24
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oh most certainly. It was that atmosphere that I loved so much about it and in general with music. I like those shades of grey in music, like to made to feel rather than think (books are are for making you think, music is for making you feel). I definitely appreciate those post-Phil albums, impressive as hell, but as I noted in one of those RTF polls, I want music that touches me, not impresses me. GG really did however cover the bases. Perhaps why you very ever rarely find someone who DOESN'T like G.G. There is a bit of something for everyone there. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:25
 Well you get some Bamsen points for that Micky. I feel exactly the same. Feels as if they dropped the atmosphere (like Gabe pointed out) for complexity. Personally, I feel they lost an essential part of their music - something I'd call 'space' for lack of a better word. Those small moments in their tunes, where the music got to breathe and merely be, instead of having to metamorphose into something completely different at the drop of the hat. Sure, they were doing that as well during those first four albums, but there was still room for the music to breathe imo. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:34
I'll take the Bamsen point if you take the Micky points... that right there cuts directly to point at hand. Well said, in fact, I have said the exact same in countless discussion over this 'split' in the bands sound over the years here. Well done sir! And have some McClappies as well ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:41
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The points are a-mating ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 07:42
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just be careful of using mating when talking to me... I do have a tendency to let my passion take hold of me and take to places I'd probably best not go ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 08:06
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I'll just let my avi speak for me then..... ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: December 21 2014 at 21:22
Gentle Giant.------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: December 22 2014 at 07:14
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Camel is cool but Gentle Giant ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 22 2014 at 09:06
Wisdom is dripping from your lips like honey. It's the first four albums that are the best, the most soulful. Phil and post-Phil. And this time it's not about Phil Collins.  |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: December 22 2014 at 21:30
I also really love those first 4 albums... or actually, I love the first 2 albums, and the next 2 I like, but they seem to have started taking the road towards the next phase of their sound (post Phil). I would like to say that I don't like the post Phil albums... but I really haven't got them... and still I'm not interested. But I have my reasons. No 1, with 3 Friends and Octopus they started shifting towards the new direction, which I really didn't like; No 2, I heard "The Power and the Glory" a few times on Youtube, and it did nothing to make me like it; and No 3, I got "Playing the Fool", and really didn't like it at all... the only song I liked is "Strang Ways", which is from the first album. Actually, Playing the Fool was the first album I got from them, and I allmost didn't try to get any more from them because of that... but somehow I ended up deciding to give them one more chance with their first 4 albums, and I don't regret it at all. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 23 2014 at 02:35
Yes, maybe it is a gradual move towards another sound from Three Friends on, you might be right. And yes, Acquiring The Taste is my favorite album, no doubt about it. I still do like Three Friends a lot. Octopus is very versatile, and still has some spine chilling moments. From later albums I only like a few tracks. I don't understand the popularity of In A Glass House for instance.
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 03:28
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In A Glass House is an oddity but The Power and The Glory , Freehand and Interview have some incredible stuff. The early GG albums are very nice and occasionally hit the heights but as I've said many times lack 'balls'. Octopus saw a heavier version of the band emerge I suspect due in part to the booming prog scene at the time where it was the heavier bands such as ELP and Yes that were winning out. Camel are incredibly 'harmless'. Everything is right in its place. Safe but the writing side is what elevates this band imo. 3 masterpieces at least (Mirage , The Snow Goose and Moonmadness) that would in the future be part of any self respecting prog orchestra's repertoire (should anything of this sort ever exist)
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 03:30
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I voted GG btw
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Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 04:54
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I like Camel... Mirage to me is their best..Superb. Now, on the basis of importance alone GG beats Camel. But i can only vote on the basis of preference...and im yet to 'acquire the taste'..so i'll abstain. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 08:29
True. The writing side and the fact that they could with simple means have some great effects in terms of emotion. No virtuosos like in Yes or ELP, and no innovators like Gentle Giant. Andy Latimer said once in an interview that sometimes he came in a guitar shop and then he sees a very young lad playing some breakneck solos, and then he realized: I cannot do that. But he says he knows how to put emotion in a song. I suppose that's true.
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Posted By: qwiksand
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 08:56
| Love both, but for will go for Gentle Giant. |
Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: December 24 2014 at 09:16
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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: December 25 2014 at 03:07
I have to say I don't find Camel's music that 'emotional'. Its strong on composition and atmosphere and technically near as perfect as dammit if not particularly adventurous.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: December 25 2014 at 06:43
| Re the difference between the Phil-albums and the later ones, I agree that the former have tracks that are a little more spaced out. Not an awful lot, nothing on the level of a Starless. I personally wouldn't have it any other way because there's nothing else I know of in prog rock that's anything at all like Octopus or Free Hand. To my mind, they were always too goofy to really make an emotional impact in the sense of moving a person to tears and all that or just music that lingers in the mind and haunts me for a long time. On the other hand, there are also very few prog rock bands that compose their tracks so tightly as GG. They are one of the most noodling-free bands I have heard in prog rock. |
Posted By: danyboy
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 02:46
| though one...just for the first 4 album; Camel ! |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 12:36
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Camel. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 12:44
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Camel is chill, relaxing, enjoyable. GG is just too damn odd. Camel. Easy. ------------- |
Posted By: Chimaera
Date Posted: December 27 2014 at 12:46
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Camel. Always interesting and enjoyable. Gentle Giant is interesting but not always enjoyable.
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