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Topic: Argus: Wishbone Ash Appreciation Thread
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Argus: Wishbone Ash Appreciation Thread
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:29
I've heard WA's classic called "Guitar prog", "Progish Metal", near prog, almost prog and every other description that comes close to calling this album prog, but not quite. No matter. Argus  is Wishbone Ash's best album with fantastic songs coupled with the stellar playing and singing that was demonstrated on their previous two releases. It even features a cover photo by Hipgnosis. Fancy that!
 
What's your opinion of Argus? 



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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 12:41
Stellar. That guitar gets put to excellent use.

And its cover, simple as it is, is still one of the trippiest ever.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 14:59
Another great album - very much the template for Steve Harris' vision for Iron Maiden. Side 2 blows me away, side 1 is no slouch, either. The live album after this is also a treat, then with There's The Rub, they changed a bit.


Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 15:52
One of my all time favorite albums that I discovered as a youngling.  Warrior, Throw Down the Sword, and The King will come are the favorites.  The whole album sort of had a concept feel to it in the way the tracks were ordered.

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 13 2015 at 22:00
All of the above.  I saw WA in concert in 1973, with Flash opening....can't describe how fantastic both bands were!  

Wishbone Ash were amazingly tight, the two-guitar approach was stunning live.  Martin Turner's ability to play bass and sing simultaneously was very impressive, he was one of the best I'd ever seen at that.  

Since then, I've seen Andy Powell's WA twice and enjoyed both shows!  They play generously from "Argus," which is their best album.  However, there is plenty of other great material on their other albums as well....for quite a while, I was really into "Wishbone 4". 


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 19:31
My all time favourite album by any band. Why it's never mentioned in those lists of "1001 albums you must hear before you die" is beyond me......
 
The twin lead solo at the end of Throw Down The Sword still gives me goosebumps after 40 years.


Posted By: SquonkHunter
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 23:35
Agree with all the above. A fantastic album all around. It is one I have never tired of hearing.


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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: February 14 2015 at 23:43
I need to listen to this one of these days. Heard so many great things about it.

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 00:34
Originally posted by fudgenuts64 fudgenuts64 wrote:

I need to listen to this one of these days. Heard so many great things about it.

Check it out!!  Good stuff! 








Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 03:11
Confession time...........
In mid-2013, I had a planned vacation to NYC, and at that time, there was a collective bill with Nektar and MT's Wishbone Ash at BB King's, near Times Square. I've been into Nektar since 1989, but never heard a note of WA. All I knew was they were a twin-guitar band that Steve Harris adored. I was soooo excited to actually catch Nektar first and foremost, I actually contemplated leaving after their set. I thought, " stuff it, I've come half-way around the world, lets see what all the fuss is with these Ash dudes ". I'm ever so glad I hung around........ I regret not discovering them earlier.......


Posted By: Jaz
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 03:30
Do you know "Epitaph" a (German, British ?) Band who play guitars like Wishbone Ash !
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I like very much the first album "Epitaph" and 2nd album "Stop Look and Listen" , great guitars !!


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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 03:42
Argus: yep everybody should own a copy i.e. on vinyl or CD........ not MP3 or YouTube. Just buy the thing and listen to it in true Hi Fi.

The only track I do not care for anymore off this album is Blowin' Free.....this song is too mainstream, southern rock for my liking.


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 09:18
It's their strongest effort. "The King Will Come" is my favorite song from the album. "Time Was" is a great Rock song ! I will always love that track. It reminds me of a song that Danny Kirwan would have written for Fleetwood Mac during the Future Games/Bare Trees period. I also hear a lot of Pete Townshend chord style changes/voicings in the song. "Leaf and Stream" is beautiful, but again...everything about it reminds me of Danny Kirwan's guitar playing and particularly vocals. I bought this album the week it was released and had a instantaneous reaction about it's originality. It is very original and to the character of Wishbone Ash. The emulation of others that I hear in their music does not hold a candle to their originality. Wishbone Ash are very unique. Sometimes they blend a "Traditional Folk" vocal sounding style with "Traditional Irish Folk" phrasings on guitar...such as "Jigs" ...for example the guitar harmony signature playing at the end of "Blowin" Free" and about a hundred other songs . Andy Powell is a very melodic player, technical enough to pull off surprising things, and a fine vocalist. The keyboardist from Renaissance, (forget name, shame on me), plays on "Throw Down The Sword" and then Andy Powell plays lead guitar on "Ashes Are Burning" A great time period to remember.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 09:52
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

It's their strongest effort. "The King Will Come" is my favorite song from the album. "Time Was" is a great Rock song ! I will always love that track. It reminds me of a song that Danny Kirwan would have written for Fleetwood Mac during the Future Games/Bare Trees period. I also hear a lot of Pete Townshend chord style changes/voicings in the song. "Leaf and Stream" is beautiful, but again...everything about it reminds me of Danny Kirwan's guitar playing and particularly vocals. I bought this album the week it was released and had a instantaneous reaction about it's originality. It is very original and to the character of Wishbone Ash. The emulation of others that I hear in their music does not hold a candle to their originality. Wishbone Ash are very unique. Sometimes they blend a "Traditional Folk" vocal sounding style with "Traditional Irish Folk" phrasings on guitar...such as "Jigs" ...for example the guitar harmony signature playing at the end of "Blowin" Free" and about a hundred other songs . Andy Powell is a very melodic player, technical enough to pull off surprising things, and a fine vocalist. The keyboardist from Renaissance, (forget name, shame on me), plays on "Throw Down The Sword" and then Andy Powell plays lead guitar on "Ashes Are Burning" A great time period to remember.

John Tout, shame on you, Toddler!  LOL  I agree with your post.

Has anyone seen either of the two touring Wishbone Ash iterations?  I've seen Andy Powell's WA twice, and he really does a fantastic job with this material, including singing the lead vocals!  Last time he had a Finnish guitarist who was a slide guitar whizz, it was fun!  

Martin Turner's WA project intrigues me, he has toured with Laurie Wisefield.  I'd enjoy seeing them, I've only seen a snippet or two on Youtube and really liked what I heard.  


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 09:52
One of my favorite albums of all time. Definitely a prog album!


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 10:40
^^^

A terrific record, indeed!Clap


Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:15
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

It's their strongest effort. "The King Will Come" is my favorite song from the album. "Time Was" is a great Rock song ! I will always love that track. It reminds me of a song that Danny Kirwan would have written for Fleetwood Mac during the Future Games/Bare Trees period. I also hear a lot of Pete Townshend chord style changes/voicings in the song. "Leaf and Stream" is beautiful, but again...everything about it reminds me of Danny Kirwan's guitar playing and particularly vocals. I bought this album the week it was released and had a instantaneous reaction about it's originality. It is very original and to the character of Wishbone Ash. The emulation of others that I hear in their music does not hold a candle to their originality. Wishbone Ash are very unique. Sometimes they blend a "Traditional Folk" vocal sounding style with "Traditional Irish Folk" phrasings on guitar...such as "Jigs" ...for example the guitar harmony signature playing at the end of "Blowin" Free" and about a hundred other songs . Andy Powell is a very melodic player, technical enough to pull off surprising things, and a fine vocalist. The keyboardist from Renaissance, (forget name, shame on me), plays on "Throw Down The Sword" and then Andy Powell plays lead guitar on "Ashes Are Burning" A great time period to remember.

John Tout, shame on you, Toddler!  LOL  I agree with your post.

Has anyone seen either of the two touring Wishbone Ash iterations?  I've seen Andy Powell's WA twice, and he really does a fantastic job with this material, including singing the lead vocals!  Last time he had a Finnish guitarist who was a slide guitar whizz, it was fun!  

Martin Turner's WA project intrigues me, he has toured with Laurie Wisefield.  I'd enjoy seeing them, I've only seen a snippet or two on Youtube and really liked what I heard.  
 
I would love to see them!


Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:48
My dad sort of ruined the album for me a bit.  I was toward the end of Sometime World when he came in to my room and said "Isn't that really annoying and repetitive? Turn it off".  I guess he sort of had a point, and it soured the album for me for a few years.  I took his opinion too seriously, since it was music from his time period.

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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 12:30
Argus definitely has lots of proggy elements but isn't prog. I think all the mythical allegories are there, plus some interesting chord progressions, but they all tend to be scalular and riffed upon for a few minutes. They're kind of having too much fun for it to be prog Tongue 

Whatever it is though, great record that always fits that kind of mood where you just need to listen to something simple but beautiful.


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 12:40
Really, really love the guitars, but the 60s hippy vocals have always left me cold. It's rather like The Cowsills or It's a Beautiful Day merged with Lynyrd Skynyrd to make a prog album about King Arthur, who took the last ship to Alabama rather than Avalon.

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Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 13:39
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Martin Turner's WA project intrigues me, he has toured with Laurie Wisefield.  I'd enjoy seeing them, I've only seen a snippet or two on Youtube and really liked what I heard.  
 
I've seen MT's band many times - you could say I'm one of their biggest fans. I think they recreate the sound of 1970s Wishbone Ash very well.
 
I think they played in your neck of the woods on the tour that Tom Ozric alluded to, but that was the only time they've crossed the pond. I recommend the Garden Party recording as the next best think to seeing them. Ted Turner and Laurie Wisefield play on that too.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 14:40
Does anyone know why Turner and Powell split?

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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 14:55
I didn't get into Wishbone Ash or Uriah Heep until this year...I really dig Argus and Heep's Salisbury...True masterpieces!   The vocals, melodies and riffs are to die for. 


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 15:15
some really good stuff there.  Keys are not missed - the twin guitar approach is awesome, and the acoustic guitars add another dimension.  Some of it is decidedly prog, but the degree to which it is prog doesn't matter much to me when it's this good


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 15:18
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Martin Turner's WA project intrigues me, he has toured with Laurie Wisefield.  I'd enjoy seeing them, I've only seen a snippet or two on Youtube and really liked what I heard.  
 
I've seen MT's band many times - you could say I'm one of their biggest fans. I think they recreate the sound of 1970s Wishbone Ash very well.
 
I think they played in your neck of the woods on the tour that Tom Ozric alluded to, but that was the only time they've crossed the pond. I recommend the Garden Party recording as the next best think to seeing them. Ted Turner and Laurie Wisefield play on that too.

Yeah, I read about that MT gig, but couldn't make it!  Cry

The "garden party" gig was great!  Wish I were there!  

Martin Turner was (is) one of the BEST singing bassists, ever!  Man, he could wail on bass while singing lead (not harmony like Squire).  I'd put Martin Turner right up there with the best prog bassists.  

I don't know if many folks like "Wishbone 4," I was a huge fan of that LP as well.  It wasn't perhaps as progressive as "Argus," but it rocked!  I saw WA on tour right when 4 was released, amazing show!  


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 15:23
Originally posted by bloodnarfer bloodnarfer wrote:

My dad sort of ruined the album for me a bit.  I was toward the end of Sometime World when he came in to my room and said "Isn't that really annoying and repetitive? Turn it off".  I guess he sort of had a point, and it soured the album for me for a few years.  I took his opinion too seriously, since it was music from his time period.

just listening to it again and I love that last part!  


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 15:54
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Does anyone know why Turner and Powell split?
 
I recommend you get hold of Martin Turner's autobiography "No Easy Road" if you're interested in his side of the story.
 
And if you want to be even handed, Andy Powell is bringing out HIS autobiography later this year.


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 15:56
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I don't know if many folks like "Wishbone 4," I was a huge fan of that LP as well.  It wasn't perhaps as progressive as "Argus," but it rocked!  I saw WA on tour right when 4 was released, amazing show!  
 
Wishbone 4 was a bit of a disappointment to a lot of fans at the time, but in retrospect it's actually a pretty good album with some great songs. It was let down by the production, unfortunately. I love songs like Sorrel, Ballad Of The Beacon and Everybody Needs A Friend, especially.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 15:58
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Does anyone know why Turner and Powell split?
 
I recommend you get hold of Martin Turner's autobiography "No Easy Road" if you're interested in his side of the story.
 
And if you want to be even handed, Andy Powell is bringing out HIS autobiography later this year.
 A He said-She said deal. Ok, Thanks.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 15:59
Originally posted by bloodnarfer bloodnarfer wrote:

My dad sort of ruined the album for me a bit.  I was toward the end of Sometime World when he came in to my room and said "Isn't that really annoying and repetitive? Turn it off".  I guess he sort of had a point, and it soured the album for me for a few years.  I took his opinion too seriously, since it was music from his time period.
Your dad made a queer observation. ... Two things:

1) When I hear something "repetitive" with different guitar phrases in a solo, it's not that repetitive to my ears.

2) Repetition makes it easier to improvise or write a solo. Sometimes all you need is just two chords.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 16:07

^Hmmmph! Old people! LOL



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Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 16:24
I guess I should mention that I'm on good terms with the album now, I just try not to play music out loud in the presence of other people anymore

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 16:49
^Sometimes that's a smart move.

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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 21:38
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

It's their strongest effort. "The King Will Come" is my favorite song from the album. "Time Was" is a great Rock song ! I will always love that track. It reminds me of a song that Danny Kirwan would have written for Fleetwood Mac during the Future Games/Bare Trees period. I also hear a lot of Pete Townshend chord style changes/voicings in the song. "Leaf and Stream" is beautiful, but again...everything about it reminds me of Danny Kirwan's guitar playing and particularly vocals. I bought this album the week it was released and had a instantaneous reaction about it's originality. It is very original and to the character of Wishbone Ash. The emulation of others that I hear in their music does not hold a candle to their originality. Wishbone Ash are very unique. Sometimes they blend a "Traditional Folk" vocal sounding style with "Traditional Irish Folk" phrasings on guitar...such as "Jigs" ...for example the guitar harmony signature playing at the end of "Blowin" Free" and about a hundred other songs . Andy Powell is a very melodic player, technical enough to pull off surprising things, and a fine vocalist. The keyboardist from Renaissance, (forget name, shame on me), plays on "Throw Down The Sword" and then Andy Powell plays lead guitar on "Ashes Are Burning" A great time period to remember.

John Tout, shame on you, Toddler!  LOL  I agree with your post.

Has anyone seen either of the two touring Wishbone Ash iterations?  I've seen Andy Powell's WA twice, and he really does a fantastic job with this material, including singing the lead vocals!  Last time he had a Finnish guitarist who was a slide guitar whizz, it was fun!  

Martin Turner's WA project intrigues me, he has toured with Laurie Wisefield.  I'd enjoy seeing them, I've only seen a snippet or two on Youtube and really liked what I heard.  
 
I would love to see them!
Martin's playing this tour.....Gawd, I'd love to see this show!  I used to live in Exeter & absolutely love the west country of England!  
WED MARCH 4 2015

EXETER, Corn Exchange, Eng

Classic Legends of Rock and Folk. With Carl Palmer, Strawbs.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 22:11
Great album and a must for anyone who likes guitar based progressive rock.
Certainly my favorite Ash album.


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 23:14
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Martin Turner's WA project intrigues me, he has toured with Laurie Wisefield.  I'd enjoy seeing them, I've only seen a snippet or two on Youtube and really liked what I heard.  





 

I've seen MT's band many times - you could say I'm one of their biggest fans. I think they recreate the sound of 1970s Wishbone Ash very well.

 

I think they played in your neck of the woods on the tour that Tom Ozric alluded to, but that was the only time they've crossed the pond. I recommend the Garden Party recording as the next best think to seeing them. Ted Turner and Laurie Wisefield play on that too.
I was totally in-the-dark when Turner's version shared the bill with Nektar. There was a well enebriated older guy sitting at the table with me - (I recall, he knocked over his Bud and it encroached on my I-pod.....) - anyway, I knew they were 'Rock Legends' from the good ol' days, I stuck around - I don't even recall the particular members who participated ( I'm sure the drummer was from Landmarq though) - I was impressed with their set, to say the least. I picked up Argus and the live Concerts album immediately from some 'Golden Oldies Rare Records' shop near Bleeker St. So, when I arrived home to spin these albums, that was it. I've missed this band for years..........
I've gone up to (and including) the album There's The Rub.   Great albums they are, especially the debut. I do place the first album high on my list. Argus is still a wonderful listen, something I do wish I'd discovered many years ago..........


Posted By: Terakonin
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 23:33
Heard this for the first time the other week. What with the mediaeval themes and pioneering of twin-lead guitar I wouldn't hesitate to call this prog, and it's a great album to boot.


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 02:58
Well spotted Tom, the drummer in Martin's band was Dave Wagstaffe of Lamdmarq. He's not with them any more, though.
 
I'm hoping to get to one of the Strawbs, Carl Palmer and MTptmoWA shows if I can. I'm intrigued by Carl Palmer's band playing ELP without keyboards. I've seen his guitarist on a Neal Morse DVD and he's very good.
 
Lots of love for Wishbone Ash on this forum recently Big smile


Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 14 2015 at 10:12
Other people's opinions are just that. Don't let some one ruin something for you, 'specially if you're enjoying it. Certainly not Sometime World which is magnificent and yet didn't get onto the BBC disc. I also rate Argus and Sometime World v. high.

Really enjoy their first few albums as well. Then like U Heep after the live album and line up changes nothing really took off for me. Hope it wasn't 'cause John Wetton was in both bands...  That'd be a shame.

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: June 26 2015 at 14:58
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I don't know if many folks like "Wishbone 4," I was a huge fan of that LP as well.  It wasn't perhaps as progressive as "Argus," but it rocked!  I saw WA on tour right when 4 was released, amazing show!  
 
Wishbone 4 was a bit of a disappointment to a lot of fans at the time, but in retrospect it's actually a pretty good album with some great songs. It was let down by the production, unfortunately. I love songs like Sorrel, Ballad Of The Beacon and Everybody Needs A Friend, especially.

I've only recently gotten into Wishbone Ash. Love Argus as well as the songs Phoenix, Handy, and The Pilgrim. Just amazing stuff. Wishbone 4 and anything later doesn't do much for me. I'd rather hear proggy-type WA, than what came after. 


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 04:56
I'm a fuss-pot when it comes to Prog - sure I give some 5-star rates to various albums many folks disagree with ......
Now, I do think Argus is utterly excellent, but Pilgrimage, and especially the Debut, are stronger. Currently listening to No Smoke Without Fire, and it's a solidly good album, not quite as strong as There's The Rub, but very good. I think that the overall production, that pays respect to each musician in the band (thank-you Derek Lawrence) makes this album very solid, not to mention the clever song-writing involved. I'm glad I chose this No Smoke album over several others.......


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 07:20
I've been listening to Front Page News a lot recently. An album bought years ago and quickly ended put on the shelf.
Well, I was wrong to neglect it.

About No Smoke... The Way of the World (part 1 & 2) is terrific!Clap


Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 17:00
^^ I think Pilgrimage is stronger too and the debut on a par with Argus
 
^ Love Front Page News Andrea, Laurie Wisefield at his best IMO.


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Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 05:20
I think the debut is a little stronger than Argus, though the latter is a really good album. The debut has some nice entertaining rock songs which are not really prog but they're not boring as much blues-based rock music can be when you're into prog. But it also has Phoenix, which is a great emotional and almost epic (I'm rather careful about that term as it is used way too much in my opinion) rock song. Nothing on Argus can really compete with Phoenix though there's a track with different, but remarkable qualities on Argus, Leaf and Stream, which is perfect in its own way. After all, both are very good albums. Pilgrimage and There's the Rub are also something prog fans should check out. Too my embarrassment I'm not sure whether I know their fourth Album.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 06:01
^ Likewise - I only know the 'Fourth' album from the live cuts on the Concerts album.
Handy will always be THE Wishbone track for me. And, although I haven't hear all their albums, I doubt I'd dig anything as much as the debut. There's just something really 'special' I get from that very first album.


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 07:07
I think the beauty of Argus is that all the hallmarks of Wishbone Ash, the twin lead, vocal harmonies and amalgamation of rock and folk vibes, all came together in an album that was almost a concept album. It's one of the few albums I've heard which contains no tracks I would skip.
 
Like Tom, I love Handy on the first album, in fact I've always preferred it to Phoenix. I am one of a group of people who keep badgering Martin Turner to play it live (probably a pipe dream. No lineup of WA has performed it live since about 1971).


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 07:14
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

It even features a cover photo by Hipgnosis. Fancy that!
 
What's your opinion of Argus?
 
I still don't understand why that white spaceship was airbrushed out of so many later vinyl & CD version ConfusedOuch
 
Argus is by far my fave... one of my first twenty albums bought, and still probably in my top 50.
 
 
 
 


Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 10:42
I dig Argus.....but, man, I wish it were an instrumental album.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 10:57
Ermm


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 13:13
Argus would be pretty boring without vocals.
 
The lyrics on Throw Down The Sword never fail to give me goosebumps.


Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 15:23
I'm a big fan of Argus, 'Time Was' is my favourite song on it.


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 16:18

Wow. this is starting to turn into a WA appreciation thread. Who would have thought that was possible?



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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 00:09
Good idea. We should start one. This band deserves it.


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 03:12
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

I dig Argus.....but, man, I wish it were an instrumental album.
 
Though I'm not that much a fan of WA (I am, but not overwhelmingly so), I always thought that argus was in a class of its ow,n, because this is a big effort from bassist Martin Turner
 
Otherwise when the others are singing, I can do without vocals, but the whole albums as well (especially during the Wisefield years)
 
 


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 11:13
Oh wow I love Wishbone Ash - Vas Dis [1971] starting from the bass and drums to every frickin' thing inc. the yodeling! This song is brilliant to date! Genius! <3


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 11:22
Wishbone Ash was discovered by me wehn I was looking for completly different stuff (I still hear a lot of Heavy Metal back then).

And even "Argus" sound was much more softer, that just made a lot of sense to me. I like the first albums as well, there's good stuff there.


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 19:39
I saw Argus in a friend's record collection in the Mid 70's,  I liked the cover, never heard it a year ago,  When I saw the high ratings on prog archives...Bought Argus off Amazon... I Listen to Argus once a month...I give it a 89/100!Clap   Smooth........


Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:58
All I know is I dig those guitars - love it when they play, hate it when they sing.

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Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:28
I think Argus is the band's crown achievement. Pilgrimage is musically more proggy but Argus has a perfect flow of songs, twin guitar playing, beautiful melodies, epic story ...

Warrior and Throw Down the Sword are one of my all time favorite songs. There's somethink majestic, manly and heroic in these songs. It's like watching Braveheart.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 16:14
Warrior/Throw Down The Sword - the blue-print for Iron Maiden - listen to the rhythm and Turner's bass, particularly during the segue between the two. All it takes is a brief, but so inspired section to plant a seed in the right mind and then.............


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 08:47
I've been listening to "Just Testing" for whole week. Love it, especially the first side and the opener "Living Proof".

Probably less enjoyable than the predecessor, it's an attempt of updating the sound with a bit of new wave (in "Insomnia" for instance, but not much).

The album is Martin Turner's last appearance on a WA record (until the instrumental "Noveau Calls"). 


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 09:23




Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 13:52
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Wow. this is starting to turn into a WA appreciation thread. Who would have thought that was possible?


Let's not get carried away......

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 15:08
^What me? Carried away? Wink


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 16:47
I love Argus, and everything the band did up to and including Number The Brave (with John Wetton, no less)
          after that album, I kind of lost interest and enthusiasm for their releases (except for Nouveau Calls, a great album)
              Everything about Argus is just right, instrumentally, vocally, the special, inimitable "vibe" of the music, it is a unique and special record, for sure.


Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 19:20
Argus just gets everything so right. Many great songs and albums from this classic rock band - but they just hit perfection with this one. Putting the needle down on Side 1 as a teenager, flipping it over, restarting and taking it through to the end of Side 2 - must still be one of my great music experiences. Is it prog?....I'm not sure....but one of the greatest albums of all time from a great UK classic rock band. Wish Martin and Andy would bury the hatchet and get it all together (along with Ted), as they did when I saw them reform in the late 90's in a rainy Cleethorpes! "I thought I had a girl..............." Cool

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Posted By: BarryGlibb
Date Posted: July 22 2015 at 23:53
My second favourite album from my second favourite band.

The only track that doesn't do it for me anymore is Blowin' Free.

I wish WA were not termed prog-related on PA. Can't we just have a "Wishbone Ash" category on it's own?!


Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: July 23 2015 at 18:20
Fantastic album. We have been together from the day it arrived to Finnish record shops and it still gets lots of playing in our house. Actually I think this album quite "similar" to Man's Be Good To Yourself At Least Once A Day, which also is a big favourite of mine.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 23 2015 at 18:37
If I had to describe this album to anyone who don't know them I'd say they are like Focus, album Focus II also known as Moving Waves.
HeartApproveThumbs Up fantastic album, highlight of the album for me is Vas Dis.
Hugs Hug 


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:10
I suspect you're thinking of Pilgrimage, Kati, and I can see your point about it sounding a bit like Focus.
 
I don't think Argus sounds like them, though.


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:31
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

I suspect you're thinking of Pilgrimage, Kati, and I can see your point about it sounding a bit like Focus.
 
I don't think Argus sounds like them, though.
Hello AlanB :) Although this was before Focus, the yoldeling and all here reminds me very much of Focus :) xxxx
hug to you Hug


Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:35
Well.... there's no organ here, but with the second guitar filling in and matching the highest vocal notes, I can see where Kati's coming from with this. Great track either way.

EDIT: Oops, breach of protocol, I forgot to include bug Hug for Kati Embarrassed


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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:37
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

Well.... there's no organ here, but with the second guitar filling in and matching the highest vocal notes, I can see where Kati's coming from with this. Great track either way.
 ta ta taaa tatataaaa tatata ta ta taaaaaa..... yay!!!! pram pa pa too! Big smile
hugs Hug


Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 07:55
LOL I think I got that... Hug

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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 08:00
eheheh

is that some kind of exhultation dance or what


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 08:02
Originally posted by Andrea Cortese Andrea Cortese wrote:

eheheh

is that some kind of exhultation dance or what
LOL hahahaha ermm no I humming the tune Big smile
hugs Hug


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 08:14
ah ahhaah

ok, but it was a good idea.

Should try myself one on some WA's record! "Locked In" is their dance number from the 70s!Tongue


Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 08:17
Just to add some swearing in the church here - this is one of my my favorite tracks by this band. A piece many proggers wouldn't touch if they got paid for doing so ;-)




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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 08:26
I listened, now pay me. You know the drill, Olav.

More seriously though - it's part of the legacy, no need to skip it.


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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 10:27
Originally posted by Angelo Angelo wrote:

I listened, now pay me. You know the drill, Olav.

More seriously though - it's part of the legacy, no need to skip it.


I'll have to get my ass down to Holland at some point and buy you a few beers *chuckles*


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Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: July 24 2015 at 17:28
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

Just to add some swearing in the church here - this is one of my my favorite tracks by this band. A piece many proggers wouldn't touch if they got paid for doing so ;-)



Sounds like The Police.


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 07:33
Interesting observation. If you are interested in a bit of trivia, there are several Wishbone Ash/Police connections
 
Miles Copeland (brother of Stewart) was WA's first manager and was also responsible for getting the original lineup back together in the mid 80s.
 
Martin Turner's brother Kim was involved with The Police as a sound engineer
 
Martin Turner married Andy Summers' ex girlfriend and became stepfather to Andy Summers' son.


Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 04:39
Released today - sounding very much like Wishbone Ash used to. Also available on Spotify.



Posted By: noni
Date Posted: October 02 2017 at 13:40
Just got this today.  Wishbone Ash is a well known band which I often neglected..  Thought I might go through a few of their albums.  Argus sounds pretty cool!!Tongue


Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: October 02 2017 at 23:30
Originally posted by presdoug presdoug wrote:

(except for Nouveau Calls, a great album)


But a terrible album title!

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