Bitches Brew vs. Third
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Topic: Bitches Brew vs. Third
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: Bitches Brew vs. Third
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 08:45
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Two groundbreaking jazz fusion records, both released in 1970. They're pretty closely rated on PA, but composed/improvised by two very different sets of musicians with different goals. Personally, I much prefer Third because it seems to have a less randomly eclectic sound than Bitches Brew, but I think it's still kind of unbridled, and manages to combine off-the-wall experimentation with some great Wyatt melodies. Thanks for any feedback
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 10:04
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Both five star albums in my opinion, i'll have to think about this one. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 10:23
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Brew by a hair ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 11:25
| Third all the way. I still haven't given up on BB, but I'm taking a lo-o-o-o-o-o-ong break. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:17
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Soft Machine for me. ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:19
yeah same here. Which means I'll never likely vote  bah.. thinking sucks... giving it to the softs.. I do listen to it more I suppose. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Mellotron Storm wrote:Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 13:35
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both are over my head i'll try Third once more today ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: progadicto
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 16:44
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I admire Miles work but I'm a faithful fan of ST so there's my vote... ------------- ... E N E L B U N K E R... |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 16:51
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Third, very easily. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 17:11
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I play BB about twice a week so a clear win for Davis ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 18:36
| I don't know. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 19:37
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Third. BB is just a bit too boring. And Third is wonderful. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 23:43
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Humm, Huum. Hummmmm! ------------- |
Posted By: Friday13th
Date Posted: February 15 2015 at 23:54
| Both are kinda ugly, tbh. I much prefer fusion on the lines of Hot Rats or Inner Mounting Flame...even In a Silent Way. I guess BB, though "Moon in June" is pretty great. |
Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: February 16 2015 at 12:51
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I recognize that BB is a great and important album in the history of Jazz/rock/fusion, but I personally haven't been able to get into it much--prefer Third.
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Posted By: AZF
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 10:50
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The most evenly matched poll! At time of posting result is 50%/50%. I voted for Third but what an album to be up against!
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:07
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How is this even close? Miles' effort could eat his competitor a Third helping.
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:12
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Third, but only to make the votes level. ------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:32
Me too. Never got over the feeling that BB is just aimless noodling around, no matter how hard I try.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 11:39
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can't choose one over the other |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 13:42
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Third
------------- This night wounds time. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 18 2015 at 13:51
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 14:08
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^More ferocious, yet also less tense? What the hell does that mean?
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: February 19 2015 at 14:25
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^ Take it easy. The Softs use ominous sounds of their instruments. As I've said before, they rely on tension (by that I meant dissonance), but not as much as Miles and his band do on Bitches Brew. |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: February 21 2015 at 03:44
I guess everyone has a level of "dissonance", as you call it, that they can relate to. Although personally I wouldn't call Bitches Brew particularly so, nor that it is the dominant impression of the recording. I'm in agreement with Jazz Times: "Bitches Brew encompasses about every musical polarity of the late ’60s, whether jazz and rock, classical and African, improvised and notated music, live playing and postproduction editing. Its greatness lies in how it managed to bridge these polarities, including and transcending all the disparate ingredients into a completely new whole, and ended up with much more than the sum of its components. Bitches Brew explores a new, intangible musical universe, and any attempt to fully explain or define its concept and its music will inevitably diminish it to some degree."
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 21 2015 at 06:54
| Third. Couldn't get into BB yet. |
Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 20:40
Miles Davis, Bitches Brew.------------- When he rides, my fears subside. For darkness turns once more to light. Through the skies, his white horse flies. To find a land beyond the night. |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 20:45
| Soft Machine |
Posted By: Luna
Date Posted: February 23 2015 at 20:52
Yep. Third is slow to start but great once it gets going. BB gets going then stops, then gets going again, then stops again... ------------- https://aprilmaymarch.bandcamp.com/track/the-badger" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: March 29 2015 at 08:41
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3rd -------------  
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 29 2015 at 10:34
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Hi,
I would think that Soft Machine had heard Miles many times and enjoyed its "freedom", which probably helped define Soft Machine a bit ... although this is more of a thought in my head, than possible reality! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 29 2015 at 11:16
| 50/50. I'll leave it that way for the moment out of respect for both. |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: March 29 2015 at 11:17
That is probably true, actually. It's even said that Bitches Brew itself was the catalyst for the live shows and studio sessions that gave us Third. -------------  
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 12:25
Bumping thread, because I'm on a Miles Davis kick, and did a search  Bitches Brew all day for me, hands down. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 12:27
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. ------------- |
Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 12:37
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Still didnt adquire the taste for Miles Davies. I'am going to vote for "Third", but I'am open to new perspectives. ------------- - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 12:45
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One of my favorite things to do late at night - especially in the summer - is listen to Bitches Brew, and look at surrealism/metaphysical art. That combination is so winning for me. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 12:51
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 13:05
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I think that Soft Machine is my pick. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 16:06
| Third is a phenomenal record but I don't really think this one's close. Bitches Brew is one of those pieces of music that just feels a bit like it reflects everything. |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 04:25
Well said. It truly is an apex of jazz rock for me, personally. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 05:43
| Bitches Brew easily. |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:57
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Need to listen to Bitches Brew more. No vote. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 16:01
Sounds like a good idea to me. ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 04:22
Give it a couple of spins; good headphones are required, of course. I tend to play it at a decent volume over my PA, and the mix sounds great through my speakers.
It truly is, my friend. Nothing like a little Giorgio de Chirico and some Bitches Brew to set the summertime mood! ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:14
More spins will be spun for sure, as I already dig it! Can't really set a summertime mood here in Victoria at the moment though... ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:18
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Oooo good one. I have to go with the Softs, even though I prefer Fourth...both I prefer more than Bitches Brew. BB has quite a few moments where I just go "damn that is brilliant...!!" -------------   
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:30
No worries my friend, this album is pure magic IMHO. Here in NH, it's the perfect summertime record. Sun setting, couple of beers, and Bitches Brew blasting through my PA while I look at works such as:       The combination of Bitches Brew and the above examples on a summer's eve just hit all the right notes for me ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:33
Nice  ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:40
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I know surrealism may not be everyone's cup of tea (or pint of beer), but here's to art! ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:45
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Looks (and tastes) mighty fine to me! To art ------------- https://gabebuller.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - New album! http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=7385 |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 13:30
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Third for me thanks! ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: VOTOMS
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 14:41
| love surrealism. anyway both albums are 5/5. but without soft machine, my music wouldn't be the same, and maybe i wouldnt be playing sax today. |