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Topic: Trespass OR Nursery Cryme?
Posted By: Xonty
Subject: Trespass OR Nursery Cryme?
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 13:16
Well you all know my choice, but I just wanted to know why more people prefer Nursery Cryme to Trespass. The addition of Hackett and Collins of course improves the overall musicianship within the band, but I think the melodies on Trespass are more serene and effortless, with the aggressive moments from The Knife done better than The Return Of The Giant Hogweed. The lyrics and narratives are also more interpretable, plus Rutherford and Phillips make a killer combo in creating a strong atmosphere (along with Mayhew's fitting drumming, even if it is pretty below par). The keyboards are less developed on Trespass, but the guitars occupy the space just as well. If you do prefer Trespass though, also say why. I'd love to know what the albums mean to you, and what puts one above the other/what more you could possibly want from either of these masterpieces Big smile

Anyway, thanks for any feedback!



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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 13:29
I like the musicians on both albums, but the songs are stronger in my opinion on Nursery. 


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 13:35
Don't Trespass on my Nursery Crime! Angry

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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 13:36

Nobody's writing yet.  Are they thinking about it or just passing the buck, remaining anonymous in the hidden corners of cyber space?  Me, I prefer Nursery Cryme although I find Trespass an excellent album.  It is because the Genesis sound is perfected by the inclusion of Hackett and Collins.  The music is more ambitious and yet it succeeds.  Trespass has some elements of the earlier psychedelic sound.  That is not a problem in itself, but it sounds as if they had not quite arrived yet.  Approaching, but not entirely there.  Anthony Phillips seemed uncomfortable with an electric lead solo, although his pastoral and ensemble playing is excellent.  Hackett has those two but his soloing is much better.  Gabriel's voice is less strident.  Collins' drumming is a definite improvement.  Banks and Rutherford sound better as well.  Everybody sounds better.  The songs are more imaginative.



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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 13:39
The Knife is my least liked song on both these great albums so NC it is today

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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 13:43
Nursery Cryme

the Musical Box, Seven Stones, Hogweed, Salmacis are better than anything on Trespass IMO


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 13:49
I love Trespass, it's just I love Nursery Crime more...Nursery Crime is my favorite Genesis Album...


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 14:01
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Nobody's writing yet.  Are they thinking about it or just passing the buck, remaining anonymous in the hidden corners of cyber space?  Me, I prefer Nursery Cryme although I find Trespass an excellent album.  It is because the Genesis sound is perfected by the inclusion of Hackett and Collins.  The music is more ambitious and yet it succeeds.  Trespass has some elements of the earlier psychedelic sound.  That is not a problem in itself, but it sounds as if they had not quite arrived yet.  Approaching, but not entirely there.  Anthony Phillips seemed uncomfortable with an electric lead solo, although his pastoral and ensemble playing is excellent.  Hackett has those two but his soloing is much better.  Gabriel's voice is less strident.  Collins' drumming is a definite improvement.  Banks and Rutherford sound better as well.  Everybody sounds better.  The songs are more imaginative.

Well, they say that numbers don't lie. Wink


Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 14:01
Easy vote for Trespass. I feel a lot of emotion in those songs, all of them, whereas Nursery Cryme feels a bit over poked to me. I think Hogweed is ideal for that kind of exaggerated delivery, but the others, though fine songs all, just don't resonate as much as the average Trespass song. Of course, The Musical Box is also a classic piece of musical drama, but I've kind of maxed out on it over the years and don't feel like listening to it as much any more.

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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 15:10
I'll be the minority and vote for Trespass. I feel like they were pushing too many boundaries with NC and it doesn't all run as smooth as Trespass does. Plus, The Knife is my third favourite Genesis song while the hugely overrated Musical Box is like twentieth. 

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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 15:13
Nursery Cryme by a hair.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 15:24
Nursery Cryme by a star.

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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 15:29
Trespass. The classic Gabriel Era dryness and pastoral-ness was not put to the best use on Nursery Cryme, so it suffers a bit compared to Foxtrot and Selling England, as well as Trespass's beauty. While the first side of NC is excellent, the second pales a bit, while Trespass is very good throughout. And "Looking For Someone" is the best track out of not just these two, but all of the first three Genesis albums.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 17:20
I like Trespass but Nursery Cryme is simply a better album.....Musical Box and Salmacis alone clinch it for me.

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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 17:51
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I like Trespass but Nursery Cryme is simply a better album.....Musical Box and Salmacis alone clinch it for me.

This.Wink


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 17:52
They're both terrific.

However, The Musical Box and Fountain of Salamacis do not quite compensate for Harold the Barrel.

Trespass has better atmospheres and no tracks that are less than good, so it gets my vote.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 17:58
The Cryme.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 22:49
Easily Trespass. 

NC is all over the place. 


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 22:54
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I like Trespass but Nursery Cryme is simply a better album.....Musical Box and Salmacis alone clinch it for me.

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I was fortunate to see the Canadian band "The Musical Box" last night, performing their "Foxtrot" show....interestingly, they performed "The Knife," "The Musical Box," and "The Fountain of Salmacis" in their set, along with most of Foxtrot!  God, they were excellent!  

Nursery Cryme for me.  


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 23:17
Once again, I really like Trespass, but Nursery Cryme is one of my favorite works of all time.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 08 2015 at 23:27
Not sure... Tresspass I guess. I feel Nursery Crime has higher highlits (or rather Highligt... with The Musical Box), but it also has many songs I really dislike. While I actually like just about the whole of Tresspass, with no song I really dislike, and The Knife being a rather good song too. The band does sound more mature with Nursery Cryme, though.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 03:00
Cryme but really its mainly for Collins , less about Hackett and a slight preference overall for the songs . Fountain Of Salmacis betters anything on Trespass imo.


Posted By: chrijom
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 04:03
Trespass for me. Very underrated album. Nursery Cryme was a stepping stone to Foxtrot and developing the bands sound further and I think this is reflected in the sound of Nursery Cryme in the recordings. However, the tracks from Nursery Cryme on the Genesis Live album, well that's another story...


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 04:04
Trespass by nautical mile.


Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 06:03
Nursery Cryme, if for Salmacis alone!


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 07:39
Originally posted by zwordser zwordser wrote:

Nursery Cryme by a hair.

Yes, only by a hair.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 07:40
Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

Nursery Cryme by a star.

LOL


Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 08:28
Easy call - Nursery Cryme...


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 09:10
I'll agree that Trespass is very under rated and smoother than NC.  And I'll agree that Nursery Crime is not as even, but Gawd Nursery Crime is my favorite Genesis album ever!Cool


Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 10:23
The 'Cryme, baby, the 'Cryme. First album of the classic line-up, and all.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 10:30
Originally posted by omphaloskepsis omphaloskepsis wrote:

I'll agree that Trespass is ... smoother than NC.  And I'll agree that Nursery Cryme is not as even, ... 
What do "smooth" and "even" mean in this context?


Posted By: O666
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 10:52
TRESPASS easily. I think all of tracks of this Album are perfect. and don't forget "Looking for Someone" and "The Knife" released in 1970. 


Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 11:03
Nursery Cryme for me. Both are terrific albums!


Posted By: Libor10
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 11:47
Not that Trespass is bad album. On the contrary. But it isn't on par with Nursery Cryme. I've always counted Trespass as a start album of their sound and compositions (after the first one FGTR), but the classic line-up and true Genesis songs style is to be found only at NC. Musical Box is one of their best songs they ever wrote and there are another great ones on the NC album (Seven Stones, The Return Of Giant Hogweed or Fountain of Salmacis).
My vote goes proudly to NC without slightest hesitation :-)


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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 11:58
^ I Agree but I like Trespass more. I think vote to item A don't mean that you don't like item B or ... I really like their first 5 albums .


Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 12:09
well I`m so into the two albums. but the vote went to Nursery Cryme...

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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 17:44
Foxtrot. LOL


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 18:38
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

Nobody's writing yet.  Are they thinking about it or just passing the buck, remaining anonymous in the hidden corners of cyber space?  Me, I prefer Nursery Cryme although I find Trespass an excellent album.  It is because the Genesis sound is perfected by the inclusion of Hackett and Collins.  The music is more ambitious and yet it succeeds.  Trespass has some elements of the earlier psychedelic sound.  That is not a problem in itself, but it sounds as if they had not quite arrived yet.  Approaching, but not entirely there.  Anthony Phillips seemed uncomfortable with an electric lead solo, although his pastoral and ensemble playing is excellent.  Hackett has those two but his soloing is much better.  Gabriel's voice is less strident.  Collins' drumming is a definite improvement.  Banks and Rutherford sound better as well.  Everybody sounds better.  The songs are more imaginative.

Well, they say that numbers don't lie. Wink
 
I guess I have become the voice of the people on this one then. Wink


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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: March 09 2015 at 21:21
Nursery Cryme...no brainer.
Now if it had been between Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, that would be a pickle


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Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 08:31

Trespass easily.



Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 08:53
Cryme is simply a better album and a higher evolutionary phase in Genesis music that would be better realized on Foxtrot and SEbtP.

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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 09:06
I have to go for Nursery Cryme here because (a) it has the better songs - Musical Box, Hogweed, Salmacis and (b) it was the first prog album I heard, I think it was the bizarre stories about killer plants and people cutting their toes off for tea that first intrigued me.
 
And Musical Box has the best ending to a prog song ever.


Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 09:28
Trespass is my favourite Genesis album. It somehow does things for me the others don't. And by comparison, Trespass is a more cohesive record than Nursery Cryme.


Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 11:07

My two favorite Genesis albums these days...going with NC.



Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 13:21
Nursery Cryme fairly easily. Trespass is a great album, but NC is just a ste forward in quality and has Phil on the drums!

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Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 14:06
Trespass is consistent. Nursery has about 3 mediocre tracks

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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: March 10 2015 at 16:17
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Cryme is simply a better album and a higher evolutionary phase in Genesis music that would be better realized on Foxtrot and SEbtP. A Trick Of The Tail
 
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Posted By: thwok
Date Posted: March 11 2015 at 14:42
I really love some of Genesis' music.  However, I think that a lot of their albums are overrated; that probably puts me in the minority here at Prog Archives.  I think that Trespass is definitely one of their best.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: March 12 2015 at 01:57
Tie for me.

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Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: March 12 2015 at 03:24
I think of Trespass as a "nascent" album.  Like "Time and a Word," it reveals a band in the process of becoming something, but not having arrived yet.  The songs are still held back by fairly conventional ideas and forms.

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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: March 24 2015 at 18:01

Nursery Cryme.



Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: March 25 2015 at 01:30
I've showered a lot of love on Trespass in a variety of threads in the past. There's nothing shameful in it not being the equal of Nursery Cryme. It's still a rare gem.



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