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Topic: Brain Salad in Aspic
Posted By: Dellinger
Subject: Brain Salad in Aspic
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 21:26
I just saw a review of Brain Salad Surgery here in PA, and it came to my mind that it is a good album to be compared with Larks Tongues... I guess mainly because of the Lark's couple of songs and the Karn Evil suite (perhaps I should do a poll between both "songs" later on). So, which album do you prefer?



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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 21:27
Larks, I've always hated ELP.


Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 21:33
Love Crimson…. But Larks is a mess compared to The Progressive Rock Staple Brain Salad Surgery….. "I'm perfect, aren't You?"…………..



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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 21:57
Larks, i mean come on.

BSS is a pound of cheese sitting on top of 2 pounds of pasta. 


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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 23:04
Crimso's worst with ELP's best. Easy decision.

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 23:21
King Crimson

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 23:33
Larks' Tongues in Aspic by nautical mile.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 23:43
A fan of both, but LTIA on this one. Kickass sound throughout the album. All tracks are great. Even "Book Of Saturday" is really good.


Posted By: Metalmarsh89
Date Posted: April 10 2015 at 23:46
My favorite album from each band here, but Crimson definitely takes the cake on this one.


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 02:56
I don't listen to Crimson enough but when I do its usually Power To Believe or Red. Brain Salad Surgery is my favourite album although you have to be a fan to say that. Its ELP being ELP to the nth degree. No else could be ELP , only ELP. After 1974 even ELP struggled to be ELP anymore. Its mad keyboard and drum races , distorted vocals and tacky synths ..private customised truckloads of tacky synths more than you can shake an exploding pyrotechnic stick at. Its also madly pretentious of course. I love it!!


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 05:00
ELP's masterpiece compared to KC's average. Not really a contest with about 1.5 star difference.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 05:01
This one's pretty close - I go for Larks' Tongues......


Posted By: thwok
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 06:13
Precisely - ditto

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 07:11
ELP. The music is so strong on BSS!
LTIA is good too, but I like BSS better.


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 07:15
Being a HUGE ELP fan then ipso facto it's BSS.
But all things being equal I'd take Starless and Bible Black over Larks Tongue in Aspic anyday.


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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 07:28
I am not a great fan of either band, but BSS is much better than the mess which is LTIA.

BSS 3*
LTIA 1/2*


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Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 07:39
I like Crimson a lot but God their fans are irritatingly snobby. LOL Brain Salad Surgery!


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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 08:27
Larks' Tongues.... aside from Red is KC's best album. BSS is probably ELP's best album. However, KC are infinitely superior to ELP, so the better album is Larks.....

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Posted By: Terakonin
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 08:28

Larks.



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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 09:09
KING MUTHAEFFING CRIMSON

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Posted By: frankbostick
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 09:16
Larks' tongues in aspic 5 stars
Brain salad surgery 2 stars


Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 09:39
Larks' by a country mile...


Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 09:54
Larks' Tongues in Aspic

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 09:56
Larks' Tongues in Aspic, easily.


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 10:02
Originally posted by frankbostick frankbostick wrote:

Larks' tongues in aspic 5 stars
Brain salad surgery 2 stars

I agree with this.


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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 10:32
Despite its legendary status - and it does have some wonderful moments I find BSS patchy. LTIA is not perfect by any means but it is the better of the 2 for me. 


Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 10:38
Larks.


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 10:45
Lark's Tongues in Aspic.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 11:54
LTIA.  This is one of the best LPs of the genre. 

I love BSS, and saw that tour twice (saw LTIA once), but there is no comparison. 


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 12:11
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Larks, i mean come on.

BSS is a pound of cheese sitting on top of 2 pounds of pasta. 
This, but with 2 pounds of cheese on top of 3 pounds of pasta.


Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 13:40
BSS, ELP's masterpiece!! LTIA is almost a masterpiece; Red is much better IMO.

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Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 13:43
BSS less groundbreaking, doesn't reveal that much on ELP.

LTIA has both exceptional agility + red/white-hot iron nerve. The sections in LTIA I should be rewritten so as to fit better together....

LTIA but I'd prefer to go to ELP shows!!


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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 15:24
Larks all the way

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: April 11 2015 at 17:38
When it comes to rating the music, I'll go with Lark's Tongues in Aspic.
When it comes to clever and quirky album titles, I'll declare it a tie.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 02:54
Originally posted by jayem jayem wrote:

BSS less groundbreaking, doesn't reveal that much on ELP.

LTIA has both exceptional agility + red/white-hot iron nerve. The sections in LTIA I should be rewritten so as to fit better together....

LTIA but I'd prefer to go to ELP shows!!
 
thanks for the balanced opinionThumbs Up


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 03:17
LTIA by a mile.

I never got into BSS. Much prefer Trilogy, Tarkus and the debut. But KC win out overall anyway imo.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 05:15
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

Originally posted by frankbostick frankbostick wrote:

Larks' tongues in aspic 5 stars
Brain salad surgery 2 stars

I agree with this.

Same here.


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Posted By: Progfan1958
Date Posted: April 12 2015 at 21:35
Both classics and perhaps the best by each artist overall.  BSS for me though. Someone's got to give some love for ELP.

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: April 13 2015 at 08:57
I love Larks

but I love BSS more


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Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 09:14
BSS is a masterpiece. One of the best prog albums of all time.
LTIA is not even in my King Crimson Top 5


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 11:57
Aspic today, Salad tommorow

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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 12:15
Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive.


Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 12:19
Two of my favorite albums.
But Larks' Tongues by a lark's tongue.


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Posted By: bhikkhu
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 14:09
Love 'em both but gotta go with Brain Salad Surgery. I just tend to listen to that one more.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 14:17

I agree with the cheese and pasta comments on BSS.......so Larks Tongues it is.



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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 18:13
Larks by million miles.


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 19:37
Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive.
 
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all.
 
 


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 14:24
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive.
 
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all.
 
 
 
KE9 3rd Impression blows most symph prog out of the water for its first 7 minutes. But typical of ELP it then goes on bit of a detour before just about hitting the target at the end. The wandering instrumental bit I think is meant to depict a battle between the computer and the humans. Computer wins in the end! 
Emerson did use it as a springboard for a Hammond solo which on the album is a bit lame. What he really wanted is on the Cal Jam performance or the live triple album version. Both those smoke the album version easily.


Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 16:42
^It's just that "KE9 3rd Impression" strays from the formality that preceded it on the album, setting it apart in a blatant way. Am in agreement about the Cal Jam performance. The zenith period in the group's career.


Posted By: Rick Robson
Date Posted: April 20 2015 at 19:13
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive.
 
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all.
 
 
 
KE9 3rd Impression blows most symph prog out of the water for its first 7 minutes. But typical of ELP it then goes on bit of a detour before just about hitting the target at the end. The wandering instrumental bit I think is meant to depict a battle between the computer and the humans. Computer wins in the end! 
Emerson did use it as a springboard for a Hammond solo which on the album is a bit lame. What he really wanted is on the Cal Jam performance or the live triple album version. Both those smoke the album version easily.
 
Hi Richard, right on, great call you make, it belongs in the tour Someone Get Me A Ladder, which clearly shows their peak in live shows for me. The gig at the '74 California Jam is available on YouTube, but so far listened just to the whole KE9, pure delight indeed! And Carl Palmer's druming too felt much stronger to me, besides his powerful drum solo at the end of the 1st. Impression. The 3rd Impression performance really felt like you pointed out Thumbs Up, and at the end Keith meant quite better that the Computer wins the battle by a wide margin LOL.  A must have indeed, found out that it is in the CD1 of the album Then & Now (1998), already in my shopping cart.
 
 


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Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 21 2015 at 14:48
Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

Originally posted by Rick Robson Rick Robson wrote:

Originally posted by Rednight Rednight wrote:

Two primarily quintessential albums from '73, but I feel Larks'' had more musical intrigue around every corner than Brain'. The latter suffered from sections of it seemingly catered to Emerson's vanity as well as its clunky opus, Karn Evil 9 (3rd Impression). It was indeed ELP at its most excessive.
 
Interestingly that part was just what emotionally most got me hooked on at the very first listenings, its strong melodies play a great part on my feelings about it, as their whole mostly excessive instruments playing as well - another ELP's "trademark" that can not miss in their music at all.
 
 
 
KE9 3rd Impression blows most symph prog out of the water for its first 7 minutes. But typical of ELP it then goes on bit of a detour before just about hitting the target at the end. The wandering instrumental bit I think is meant to depict a battle between the computer and the humans. Computer wins in the end! 
Emerson did use it as a springboard for a Hammond solo which on the album is a bit lame. What he really wanted is on the Cal Jam performance or the live triple album version. Both those smoke the album version easily.
 
Hi Richard, right on, great call you make, it belongs in the tour Someone Get Me A Ladder, which clearly shows their peak in live shows for me. The gig at the '74 California Jam is available on YouTube, but so far listened just to the whole KE9, pure delight indeed! And Carl Palmer's druming too felt much stronger to me, besides his powerful drum solo at the end of the 1st. Impression. The 3rd Impression performance really felt like you pointed out Thumbs Up, and at the end Keith meant quite better that the Computer wins the battle by a wide margin LOL.  A must have indeed, found out that it is in the CD1 of the album Then & Now (1998), already in my shopping cart.
 
 
 
Yep nice 2 CD set ( great artwork by Giger especially!) and also their is also a DVD featuring the a chunk of the Cal Jam performance when you see the Moog sprout wings! Palmer is indeed superb and Lake makes a nice contribution guitar wise as well. Although its probably not that important I love the slight pause before Emerson launches into the solo. His timing is immaculate. Its almost sad watching the whole thing and knowing they would never scale those heights again.


Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 11:23
BSS by several parsecs.


Posted By: Gully Foyle
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 11:54
Larks - a groundbreaking album

And, hate as you will, but ELP is just awful in every possible way


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:10
Larks' Tongues In Aspic
Shark Lungs In Asterix
Mark's Lounge In Aspen
Tart's Bon In Austria


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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:15
Congrats on editing.


Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:20
LTIA


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 22 2015 at 12:43
Originally posted by timothy leary timothy leary wrote:

Congrats on editing.

Thanks. My fingers won't work properly today.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: April 23 2015 at 10:37
As Gully mentioned LTIA was indeed a groundbreaking album and imo so was the first ELP. Sadly as time went on ELP felt the need to inject lame humor (cheese and pasta..) into many of their 'beer-hall songs' which imho ruined the flow of the albums.
One wonders if Greg Lake, after dealing with Fripp's  'seriousness' while in the early KC, needed to vent a little and let loose with some humor or was this something from Emerson? At any rate it ruined my enjoyment of their music when these tracks interrupted the other longer serious pieces of music.
btw....I do like ELP.


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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 14:53
In the battle of Asia predecessors, Mr. Fripp's group noses out Mr. Emerson's.


Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 02:50
^ shouldn't it be Mr Wettons and Mr Palmers given that neither Emerson or Fripp were ever in Asia?Wink


Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: May 21 2015 at 19:10

Emerson, Lake & Palmer, Brain Salad Surgery.



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