Is there such thing as prog hip-hop?
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Topic: Is there such thing as prog hip-hop?
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Subject: Is there such thing as prog hip-hop?
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 15:47
| What about prog rock samples used in hip-hop songs? |
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 16:03
How would I ever know If I am completely uninterested in finding out? Not a fan of the genre at all. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Hot Rat '69 wrote:Posted By: hieronymous
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 16:09
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I experimented a little bit: https://soundcloud.com/hieronymous-seven/black-walrus-over-the-edge-mix" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/hieronymous-seven/black-walrus-over-the-edge-mix
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 16:31
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Kanye West famously used the 21st Century Schizoid Man chorus in one of his big hits. Some jazz-rock/fusion has been used in hip hop. Biggie used that Herb Alpert bassline in one of his songs. I think Massive Attack used some Billy Cobham samples in their music. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 17:27
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http://333music.bandcamp.com/album/in-the-middle-of-infinity" rel="nofollow - http://333music.bandcamp.com/album/in-the-middle-of-infinity Is a 41-minute epic prog enough??
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 17:33
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Nope. ------------- What? |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 17:53
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 19:27
What a nasty, completely unnecessary comment.. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: hieronymous
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 19:39
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Hip-hop rubs some people the wrong way. It's not my favorite genre but I appreciate some of it. Does Holger Czukay's "sampling" in later Can (pre-'80) count?
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 19:50
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No. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:14
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I'm here freestyling with my friend Marcus He wrecks the synth like Keith on Tarkus I'm playing my guitar dancing like a frog 25/8 time sig, this is hip-hop prog
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:16
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...and with that this thread gets nominated for transportation to "Just For Fun". ------------- What? |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:23
| Yes Nass and Mobb Deep used great instrumentals, they were underground. Mobb Deep - Survival Of The Fittest https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIq4UTgqDAc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIq4UTgqDAc |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:30
| Nas - Hate Me Now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2-rN-98kFQ&list=PLB910D215693D49AF&index=5" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2-rN-98kFQ&list=PLB910D215693D49AF&index=5 |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 20:35
| nas i want to talk to you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1tnV3MTyqg&index=6&list=PLB910D215693D49AF" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1tnV3MTyqg&index=6&list=PLB910D215693D49AF |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 21:23
Friend, you've obviously never heard nasty if that's what you think you've just read. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 21:23
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Does a rapping skeleton in the funniest Rush song count? |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 21:40
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I thought this was going to be a discussion of hip hop that is progressive. Here is something I found recently: ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: JesusisLord
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 23:22
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I first thought about BECK who is brilliant…… His music is, without a doubt, progressive….NO, I am not saying He is PROG, but cutting edge creative, and makes use of beats that border on hip-hop….. ODELAY is a killer album ! ------------- And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. Phillipians 2:11 |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: April 15 2015 at 23:27
http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/8679-Ha!-Rap-coming-from-car-next-to-mine-Annie-Haslam-singing!" rel="nofollow - http://www.progressiveears.org/forum/showthread.php/8679-Ha!-Rap-coming-from-car-next-to-mine-Annie-Haslam-singing! ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 00:22
Yes, there is such thing as prog hip-hop :) and I'd like to recommend two great prog hip-hop albums released in 2014:New York Telephone by Uncommon Nasa http://uncommonrecords.bandcamp.com/album/new-york-telephone " rel="nofollow - http://uncommonrecords.bandcamp.com/album/new-york-telephone "If there's anything common about the prog rap evil genius, it's his consistent honesty and passion for the art of music, and his city" Favourite track: Curmudgeon ...and Hands Of Gold Are Always Cold by Gajah http://uncommonrecords.bandcamp.com/album/hands-of-gold-are-always-cold" rel="nofollow - http://uncommonrecords.bandcamp.com/album/hands-of-gold-are-always-cold  Favourite track: Hot Pants
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Posted By: freudiana
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 00:55
| How about Dalek, Flying Lotus, and Deathgrip? |
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 02:01
| I'd say Lotus probably counts. Outlast's double album? |
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 02:03
| Outkast damn autocorrect |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 03:06
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I don't dislike Outkast but it's a rare exception. Years ago I've heard somebody rapping on the intro of Renaissance's "Can You Understand". It's HATEFUL! New generations may never know what the originall was, they may think that it's somebodyMC's stuff. Has anybody heard the cover of Comfortably Numb? The only good thing I know is that an Italian rapper some years ago declared to have discovered AREA while searching for tunes to use as base and started geting interested in their music. Apart of this, I would forbid it, especially when it's clear that the artist(?) doesn't understand anything of what he's chattering on. It's not like Herbie Hancock making disco music. I don't like it but he's still an artist. The only prog-rap I'm aware of is an excellent song from the Avant band Quintorigo: "Rap-tus". It requires a translation from Italian to be completely appreciated because it would be a masterpiece even just as novel. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 09:25
| The fact that hip-hop artists have used some prog for samples, does not make for prog hip-hop. Prog is more of a "listening experience", while hip-hop us more on the "dance music" side, so they don't really aim at the same audience nor level/intent of composition. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 09:28
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This more or less : AKT. BLEMEBAYA / DI VENTO. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl-cxVsZidM
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 09:36
Right on the money. Sampling say, a sax and splicing same into any genre of music does not somehow miraculously make it jazz. Texture does not equate to content. I know practically squat about dance music but would guess that unlike Trance, Techno and House etc Hip Hop and Rap are not really dance centric genres? (Yes that's correct, I'm old, white and talking s.h.i.t.e. )------------- 
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Posted By: MattGuitat
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 12:38
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Interestingly enough, a friend and I had been thinking about this in relation to Kendrick Lamar's new album To Pimp a Butterfly. I myself have come to find the album only okay and a pale sophmore release to Good Kid Maad City, but nevertheless it is an interesting album that I would reccomend anyone on this site to at least check out, if only to see what "prog-hop" might sound like. I mean hell, he raps over a 60's post-bop jam on the second track, that at least warrants a chance. But even for non-prog listening, go listen to GKMC. If nothing else, there is a fantastic 12-minute track on there that absolutely crushes the 12-minute track on TPAB. (I swear I'm not a rep from Kendrick's label)
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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 12:53
Not a fan of Hip Hop...If I had share my limited priggish Hip Hop collection I like these two lyrically deep Hip Hoppish tunes. Both are from the 90's. ( How do you guy post videos? I can only post links to videos !MC 900 ft Jesus- The City Sleeps  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTSbnQzl1LE" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTSbnQzl1LE ..and Consolidated by Consolidated  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FSOAFwkpqI" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FSOAFwkpqI The later MC 900 ft. Jesus albums veered toward Hip Hop Jazz Fusion, but I can't help but like this funny tune ...Truth is Out of Style! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vgDpI8kU98" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vgDpI8kU98 |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 14:47
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https://youtu.be/2Ka3-F2yKTM" rel="nofollow - https://youtu.be/2Ka3-F2yKTM "Scarecrows" by Telemachus (aka Chemo) featuring Roc Marciano. The whole backing track is "Arrow" by Van der Graaf Generator (from the brilliant Godbluff album, their best). The vocals over the top are new and performed by the hip hop artist (unless Hammill has taken to using the N-word a lot lately). This was apparently a popular track, I hope VdGG got some money for it. From Wikipedia: "Telemachus (born in 2011) is a pseudonym used for Webb’s solo projects and to allow him to be “a little more artful.”. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemo_%28musician%29#cite_note-3" rel="nofollow - - [3] The debut release was a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7_Vinyl" rel="nofollow - entitled ‘Scarecrows’ featuring http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roc_Marciano" rel="nofollow - - Q Magazine and named one of the albums of the year by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quietus" rel="nofollow - "David L.G. Webb, known professionally as Chemo is an English music producer and DJ. He has also released several albums under the pseudonym ‘Telemachus’. As a sound engineer he has worked at the forefront of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Hip_Hop" rel="nofollow - - YNR Productions and http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High_Focus_Records&action=edit&redlink=1" rel="nofollow - - Guardian newspaper as a man who “has helped British music move along more than most people will ever know”." ------------- jc |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 14:49
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...unrelated, but just as whacky, I know that Hammill was a backstage guest at Lady Gaga's London concert last year (or the year before) because VdGG is Lady Starlight (Gaga's best friend, mentor, designer, deejay)'s fave band. What planet are we on again? ------------- jc |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 15:43
Double nope. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 16:35
| The "dance music" vs. "listener experience" question is interesting. Funkadelic? The Roots? They strike me as straddling the two worlds in some ways. Also consider the genre of trip-hop as a whole that doesn't necissarily involve rapping but isn't EDM either. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 16:36
The only thing prog about hip hop is how it makes my headache progressively worse the longer I hear it  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 16:42
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I came to the question while thinking about how people often complain that prog rock is too cerebral and cold--that it has no soul. I wondered if there any good examples to refute that stereotype? Maybe this is a whole other thread... |
Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 16:42
I would categorically say that i DO NOT like rap/hip-hop music. That said, Truth Is Out of Style is pretty cool! I don't hear any prog, but I like it. In regards to a few above comments, I don't think that samples of prog songs create progressive rap. I'm not yet sure what that might look like. Before assessing what progressive rap might look like, first one would have to know what non-progressive rap looks like. And I'm simply not interested enough to do the footwork. Any definition of progressive rap would have to come from within the rap/hip-hop community. Except Roll The Bones; that's totally prog.
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 17:50
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Only heard their first album but BadBadNotGood, a jazz/fusion band, collabed with Ghostface Killa on their newest album. But besides the Beastie Boys and Eminem, I don't listen to rap. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Dekkhead
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 20:56
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Deltron 3030 This album might count. It's at least a futuristic concept album. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7_jbluF0qo |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 21:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB8eD16r_UQ" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gB8eD16r_UQ Beat Rap 14 Momentum (2014) (Progressive Hip-Hop) Listen progressive hip-hop at Last.fm. http://www.last.fm/tag/progressive%20hip-hop" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/tag/progressive%20hip-hop |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 22:13
I was gonna post this. Great choice. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: April 16 2015 at 22:43
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Dalek was already mentioned (who recorded an album with Faust) but another one I thought of was Prefuse 73, who I kinda forgot about/haven't listened to in awhile. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 08:01
'too cerebral and cold, that it has no soul' sounds like 40 or so years of passive racism to me. Good examples to refute that stereotype? try the 53,141 other members who joined the site because this music somehow moved them in a positive way. -------------
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 08:53
From another perspective, how exactly does hip-hop have soul? ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 09:18
This question is about music, not race. I love Genesis and National Health as much as I love Bootsy Collins and Herbie. I'm looking for common ground between my two favorite "genres" of music. But people do ask "how can you sit through a 30 minute suite with harpsichord interludes and goofy sci-fi lyrics?" I say "have you ever heard of Funkadelic?" |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 11:23
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"Oh, I hope not." -Jose Jimenez |
Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 12:03
It's 41 minutes long but it's not prog. It sounds more like an inferior alternative soundtrack to one of the Alien films. There is lots of atmosphere but very little substance or musical development. Just because a thin idea is stretched out to an unendurable length, it doesn't make it an epic. ------------- Haiku Writing a poem With seventeen syllables Is very diffic.... |
Posted By: hieronymous
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 13:42
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I'm going to repost this track, this time with explanation: https://soundcloud.com/hieronymous-seven/black-walrus-over-the-edge-mix" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/hieronymous-seven/black-walrus-over-the-edge-mix I am not a huge hip-hop fan but I kind of like turntablism/scratching. I got to know someone who was a DJ and asked him to overdub some turntable stuff to a track I had recorded with distorted/octaved 8-string bass & drums. You could maybe argue that the bass/drum tracks aren't prog, though I am hugely influenced by Chris Squire - but even so, the tracks that he is scratching are from Close to the Edge, so there's the explicit connection. Plus I dedicated it to MCA, bassist of the Beastie Boys, when he passed a few years ago. I've got another track in 7/8 with Moog Taurus synth and rapping by Warren G & Nate Dogg that this thread has inspired me to release at some point soon.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 15:05
I must admit the suggestion wasn't entirely serious. I had just come across the band because of a posting on avantgarde-metal.com (which is odd, since they aren't metal either as far as I can tell). Don't actually disagree that it is tedious stuff. My knowledge of hip-hop is fairly pathetic but if I had to make a semi-serious suggestion for this thread it'd probably be Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy with their 1992 album Hypocrisy is the Greatest Luxury: OK, I wouldn't honestly put them forward as prog, but it's certainly hip-hop that a lot of prog fans may enjoy. Musically interesting, superb lyrically and the record still stands up 22 years after I first bought it. They also kicked arse live. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 16:10
Yes, I've heard Funkadelic, (and Parliament) both of which to my stubbornly pale ears sound like long winded cosmiche hippy jam w.a.n.k. (but that's probably my loss, and we do have recourse to the Grateful Dead for more of that) For the sake of clarity, the passive racism I'm referring to is that perpetuated for over 40 years by white male music journalists on both sides of the Atlantic who dogmatically insist that anything that is NOT predicated upon black American popular music styles (e.g. Motown, RnB, Soul, Funk, Gospel etc) is therefore irrelevant, anodyne, sterile, sexless and joyless white cultural art w.a.n.k. y'all? The solution of 'well stop reading it then' is not really an option as this unchallenged conditioning has been assimilated into the popular consciousness to such an extent that a (white) elephant in the room appears to be wearing some sort of 'cloaking device' Your quest for examples of artists who straddle both genres is as laudable as it is naive: Hip Hop is from a black US urban culture. Prog ain't. Like I said before, sampling a texture does not equate to sampling the content -------------
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Posted By: Monadology
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 16:27
| Surprised at so many straight-up negative answers. If Dälek isn't prog, I don't know what is. |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 17:27
I agree (you don't know what Prog is ) Dälek are certainly a very innovative and refreshing hip hop duo who manage to dispense with most of the stylistic cliches that make the genre so numbingly predictable. However, just because they assimilate influences that are perhaps unprecedented and maybe atypical for Hip Hop (industrial, noise, metal, glitch, ambient, Krautrock etc) doesn't make this avowedly Hip Hop band Prog now does it? There are loads of progressively minded Hip Hop artists who will take the genre to unprecedented places in the future that no-one ever thought plausible or possible but that wont be Prog either.-------------
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 17:28
There is a number of artists who are tagged as progressive hip-hop, their audience accepts them as such and that's it. So claim that progressive hip-hop is not PA material is okay thought unneeded 'cause everybody knows that, yet claim that progressive hip-hop does not exist, it's ridiculous nonsense! Is there some prog except prog rock? Of course, and that list does not end with progressive electronics as we perceive it, i.e. Berlin School of Electronic music.
I couldn't agree more. That using of some prog-rock samples is cool, but these samples per se do not constitute a progressive hip-hop; progressive hip-hop is a subgenre of hip-hop and it is born within hip-hop as a musical genre that is separated from rock music, including progressive rock.
Of course, and that definition already exists and, as per wiki, progressive hip hop (often tagged also as alternative hip-hop and /or experimental hip-hop) is a "hip hop other than the traditional stereotypes of rap, such as gangsta, bass, hardcore, and party rap"; well, one can say that it's nothing special, but I would like to mind you that there is not a valid deffinition of progressive rock too (it was actually much easier to define in 60s when, for example, one flautist in a blues-rock band and some odd time signatures was made that band *progressive*). |
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Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 18:17
Naive? So you're saying everybody who's posted on this thread offering examples are clueless? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 18:57
No, that would be the height of rudeness. I just think that trying to find some common ground in two genres that are so diametrically opposed/incompatible is futile. 'Naive' was inappropriate, so apologies for that (I think 'misguided' would have been more apt) -------------
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:13
The City Sleeps - MC 900 Ft. Jesus with lyrics That is not hip hop or rap underground.
 that's more 80's pop with vocal radio voice over. Also that 80's beat auto tune kills me.  |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:20
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Well there could be progressive hip-hop rock. Basically just highly composed and complex music with sick beats and good lyrics. Someone that shows real compositional genius none of these bullsh*t tags given to many hip-hop artists. But, I have yet to hear of a hip-hop artist putting that much insane detail into their music. I could say Busdriver, El-Producto, and Deltron 3030 do that a bit in their music but it's more a rarity and not the complete basis of the sound. Still waiting for this artist that I have imagined to arise. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:40
Someone posted this a while ago and I really enjoyed it so I'll repost it here (because it's proggy/hip-hoppy):
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:48
| Dark Rap / Hip-Hop Instrumental - "Violins Of Violence 2" | Deep Orchestra Strings | Aggresive Beat https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCJBNKLnARk" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCJBNKLnARk xxxxx |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:53
| DJ Premier f. Nas, Apathy & The Berklee Symphony Orchestra - Regeneration Remix (Produced by Apathy) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgF5HvSR6Q8" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgF5HvSR6Q8 xxxx |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 21:54
| DJ Premier & The Berklee Symphony - Regeneration (Feat. Nas) [Lyrics in Description] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOiQqCq35f0" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOiQqCq35f0 XXXXX |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 22:19
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I imagine there is probably some rap/breakcore hybrid somewhere or something. A lot of people try to innovate the genre for the heck of it and end up being not very good at it, because they never fell in love with the genre in the first place. Odd meters is the first thing people go to. There is some good experimental rap, but it's usually made by people who love the regular stuff too. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 17 2015 at 22:28
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 18 2015 at 00:51
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 18 2015 at 01:02
mhwoaaahhhxxxxxxxxxx!!! thank you, Svetonio and a big hug
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Posted By: Artpop
Date Posted: April 18 2015 at 07:59
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Trip-Hop: Portishead, Massive Attack etc. Check out the latter's 'Mezzanine' CD. This should help too: http://www.amazon.com/Straight-Bristol-Massive-Attack-Portishead-Trip-Hop/dp/0340675217
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 18 2015 at 16:40
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It's question of tastes, but this stuff for me sucks...I have to admit that sometimes an artist is hidden behind genres like hip-hop, but it happened also with punk. But I can't not post this masterpiece...I hope you can find a translation if the lyrics, they are amazing. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 00:32
| Listening to Sweetnighter again....the breakbeat grooves, the electronics, the different moods, the flowing lyricism....if prog hip-hop exists it definitely owes something to this......but the instrumental element seems crucial. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 02:49
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Moved to general music discussions seeing as there's no mention of prog bands. Not that crazy though seeing as prog hip hop doesn't exist. There's progressive hip hop though  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: April 19 2015 at 04:10
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I've mentioned Quintorigo, but only becsuse John de Leo raps on an excellent song. At least one prog band is there ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 01:43
 http://infinitycs.bandcamp.com/track/whipping-with-the-moonlight-plug-genesis-x-o-t-genasis" rel="nofollow - http://infinitycs.bandcamp.com/track/whipping-with-the-moonlight-plug-genesis-x-o-t-genasis (name your price) |
Posted By: DreamTechPlus
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 03:17
| I think the philosophies of prog and hip-hop are too polar for them to possibly coexist. Someone could attempt to rap over prog instrumentation, but it wouldn't make it hip hop. |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 03:20
Someone had to do it  ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 03:33
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Eyedea & Abilities is a pretty awesome group. Also, thinly-veiled racism isn't cool, but is prevalent in this thread.  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 09:37
Unfortunately, yes. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 09:58
I don't see any racism in this thread 'thinly veiled' or otherwise. I think we both might agree that it's a wide stretch to expect the majority of (predominantly white male) Prog fans on a Progressive Rock website to embrace music that originates from a black American culture like Hip Hop. Most Proggers I know certainly enjoy a lot of contemporary jazz and fusion but styles that encroach the broad spectrum of 'dance music' are maybe less popular. It's perfectly fine to discriminate against music you don't care for so are you inferring that expressing same is racist based on the ethnicity of the artist/critic? -------------
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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 11:35
I don't think liking or not liking rap is racist. I sure don't like it. However, I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of "Selling coco..." Clever, perhaps, but blatantly racist. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 11:45
OK I admit I don't really understand the context or source of the 'Selling Coco' post from Svetonio but what Man Overboard and yourself have both deemed 'thinly veiled' racism is now considered 'blatantly racist?' Wouldn't bandcamp have raised the same misgivings as yourself (and I'm assuming you've reported the post to the PA admins?) -------------
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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 12:14
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Well, firstly, racism is pretty common. Cultures are still struggling to learn how to communicate with respect. I don't know why Bandcamp or PA would be any different. And blatant may have been too strong a word on my part, admittedly. Secondly, I don't believe most racism is intentional. Better to have a conversation than Report every occurrence. Most racism isn't neo nazi/ National Front, KKK stuff. Most is more subtle and usually not intended to cause harm. I work everyday with victims of various forms of bigotry and discrimination, so even the little stuff can seem blatant to me. Sorry, I'm trying to point out something that concerns me without making too big a deal about it. Easier said than done. ------------- More heavy prog, please! |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 12:33
I would say that the "Selling Coco" clip Svetty posted from Bandcamp is blatantly stupid. Derive whatever else you wish from that. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: April 27 2015 at 07:23
| Hip Hop is not a race nor a cultural thing parse, it started more like an expressive artistic movement in the Bronx or Queens (not sure where really) of youth gathering together to freely expressing themselves, either by poetry (talking singing to a beat hip hop) and turntable djing plus graffiti art. Hip Hip as it self to me is not music although has progressed due to some hiphop artists by adding known melodies inc. classic music instrumentals/. This said with exception, most hip hop are electronic music with heavy bass orientated. |
Posted By: thebeastmustdie
Date Posted: April 30 2015 at 17:37
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Hi, just stumbled on these forums and seeing as I own over 3000 hip hop albums (yes, sad...) I thought I'd add my 2 cents thing about hip hop is even the most abstract stuff tends to rely on a consistent looped beat to form the basis of a track, making it one of the most repetitive and unspontaneous genres out there, meaning in some ways it's like the anti-prog I also agree with the previous statements that just cause something samples a prog tune, doesn't make it prog.
however if I had to pick one artist I'd suggest checking out Labtekwon, probably the most 'proggy' hip hop I can think of if I had to pick one Labtekwon - Goddess https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYzy8D686yc" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYzy8D686yc
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Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: May 03 2015 at 10:39
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Well, I think it is quite possible, but the thing is, most that could pass as progressive hip-hop, is classified as "experimental hip hop" (as per RateYourMusic.com definition). Of course, hip-hop cannot really boast with multiple changing tempos and etc. but it is by far not the only, or even essential attribute of progressive rock. Just for the reminder, the most widely known side of Krautrock, the Dusseldorf school, relied and gave a whole new meaning to those monotone rhythms and all - many pieces by, for example, Neu!, are much more minimalist than your average hip-hop. As for my vision of "progressive hip hop", it could sound as something like this. DJ Shadow's debut album, "... Endtroducing" is widely regarded as a hip-hop classic and is right now neatly classified under "experimental hip hop". I think, many a prog fan, who have a preference for its atmospheric / crossover / modern side, will enjoy this piece: |
Posted By: Hot Rat '69
Date Posted: May 27 2015 at 14:24
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Check out this article in the Atlantic: http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/05/aap-rocky-and-the-liquifying-of-rap/394205/" rel="nofollow - http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2015/05/aap-rocky-and-the-liquifying-of-rap/394205/
The gorgeous stew of At.Long.Last.A$AP may owe something to LSD, but it’s also in line with the genre’s recent turn toward progginess. |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: March 15 2016 at 20:23
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rapping over a prog sample: experimental music with elements of hip-hop: progressive hip-hop: |
Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: April 30 2016 at 14:36
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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: September 24 2016 at 11:44
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A trio called clippng., they're on Sub Pop, released a concept album about space slavery "Splendor & Misery". How much prog do you want?)) |