Technical prog or fusion albums from before the 90
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Topic: Technical prog or fusion albums from before the 90
Posted By: ChaoticEmergence
Subject: Technical prog or fusion albums from before the 90
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 22:23
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Hi! This is my first post here, I am a 32 year old musician who lives in Montreal and I would like to have recommendations for prog or jazz fusion albums from before the 90s that are very technical. Bonus points if they experiment with atonality. I like the band Present a lot. I also like Gentle Giant, PFM and Lucifer's Friend. I listen to a lot of modern prog metal and extreme metal and lately I have been wondering if there were some older bands who were playing similar styles, but before metal blossomed. My favorite bands include Spiral Architect, Theory In Practice, Anomalous, The Crinn, Canvas Solaris, Blotted Science, Spawn Of Possession, The Helix Nebula, Irreversible Mechanism, Behold The Arctopus, Niacin, Journal, Citriniti and many others, I could go on and on. :p Thanks in advance! |
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 22:29
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If you're after jazz fusion start with Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return To Forever & Miles Davis (Bitches Brew & In A Silent Way).
If you want technical atonal I'd go after Henry Cow, Art Zoyd, Univers Zero, Etron Fou Leloublan, Samla Mammas Manna ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 22:44
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I'd like to recommend Return to Forever's Where Have I Know Your Before and Hymn of the Seventh Galaxy and Steely Dan's Aja, as a great examples of 70s progressive Fusion / Jazz Rock as well. As tecnnically superb prog I'd like to recommend Yes' Relayer. As proggy & technically superb metal (hard rock) album from 70s, I'd like to recommend Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy (1976)
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Posted By: ChaoticEmergence
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 22:49
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Thank you! Nogbad: Turns out I already know your jazz fusion recs as well as Art Zoyd but I will give the others a listen! Svetonio: It's funny because I never gave Yes a chance. I always thought "But they wrote Owner Of A Lonely Heart!" even though it doesn't mean in any way that they can't have written technical albums. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 22:52
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ChaoticEmergence wrote:Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 22:54
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More jazz fusion Jean Luc Ponty - Enigmatic Oceans Herbie Hancock - Crossings Slouche - Stadacone Pekka Pohjola - B The Magpie Atonal Technical Cardiacs - A Little Man ... Thinking Plague - In This Life Art Bears - Winter Song Aksak Mahboul - Un Peu De L'Ames Des Bandits ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 23:01
| I'd like to add Wigwam's Nuclear Nightclub (1975) and Gong's Shamal (1975). |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 23:12
| As atonaly and experimental progressive fusion and yet tehnically superb album, I'd like to recommend Terje Rypdal's Whenever I Seem To Be Far Away (ECM, 1974). |
Posted By: ChaoticEmergence
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 23:37
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Wow thanks so much! My favorites so far have been Aksak Mahboul - Un Peu De L'Ames Des Bandits, Univers Zero, Henry Cow, Terje Rypdal, Sloche, Thinking Plague, Ponty and Hancock. There were some pretty good moments in the Yes song but I did not like the parts with vocals. :p I will need to listen more to all of these though. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 23:47
If you don't like Jon Anderson's voice, then I'd like to recommend Le Orme Felona E Sonora (1973).
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Posted By: ChaoticEmergence
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 23:49
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Will try it. Anything similar to Gilgamesh? EDIT: Le Orme seems to have pretty good parts! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 25 2015 at 23:57
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Posted By: ChaoticEmergence
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 00:14
Wow! |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 00:25
If you like it, then also try Gong's Expresso II (1977)
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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 00:51
| Oh and don't forget to try, as an quite experimental and probably the best progressive fusion album from 80s, Cloud About Mercury by David Torn (with Mark Isham, Tony Levin, Bill Brufford). |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 02:30
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Any of the 3 albums by the seventies jazz rock band Colosseum II which featured Jon Hiseman , Don Airey and Gary Moore. Their track Dark Side Of The Moog is without doubt my favourite of this genre.
If you want to go even further back then the original Colosseum line up ( Greenslade , Hiseman, Heckstall- Smith , Tony Reeves and Chris Farlowe) made a track called Valentyne Suite. Its a beauty! Another offshoot band Greenslade should also be of interest.
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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 05:43
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For 70s jazz rock fusion, don't miss out on Passport, especially their albums Doldinger ("71) , Looking Thru ("74) and Cross Collateral ("75). |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 08:09
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If you like Gilgamesh you should check out Matching Mole, National Health and if you are ok with vocals, Caravan and Hatfield and The North. The Gong albums suggested previously are excellent. There's a whole Canterbury scene you probably need to explore. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 09:51
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 10:02
I came here to say almost exactly the same  The first thing I thought of when I saw this thread was National Health. A bit of Tenemos Roads just might do the trick My fave from the album is still Elephants, but I reckon I'm in the minority on that one + Tenemos Roads is probably a better introduction to National Health. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 10:18
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 11:03
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Hi, I'm gonna faint! Terje mentioned three times! Not sure '"tonal" is the right word for it, but a lot of the early Jan Garbarek, would seem to fit? I also keep thinking Yokko Saeffer (sp.), though I have not heard anything of his in 30 years, stuff that has its roots in anything but melody, for my ears. I also find Egberto Gismonti, in the early days, would be an interesting listen, but none of these fit in "rock", and sometimes I think that calling them "jazz" is a huge stretch! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 12:38
Re heavy music that was ahead of its time, check also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSe6V7KkMyo" rel="nofollow - this (1973) |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 13:12
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As far as Jazz Rock/Fusion goes some of my favorites are... Edition Especiale - Aliquante (France) Bonfire - self titled (Holland) Isotope - Illusion (England) Soft Machine - Softs (John Etheridge on guitar) Soft Machine - Bundles (Allan Holdsworth on guitar) Energy - self titled (Sweden) Nova - Blink (Italy) David Sancious - Transformation (USA) Transit Express - Priglacit (France) Finnforest - Lahto Matkalle (Finland) |
Posted By: defectinggrey
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 15:40
| More mainstream but If, Osibisa and Zzebra might be worth listening to plus various Frank Zappa albums especially Hot Rats. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 16:19
Great suggestion! This fine work is often overlooked! I'd suggest "Masques" by Brand X, my favorite of their very prolific output.
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Posted By: ChaoticEmergence
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 19:07
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Man there are so many good suggestions! As for my original post, I realized it was not clear but I am not looking for proto metal. I am looking for bands who did what some of the current progressive metal bands are doing now but before metal existed: Pushing technicality and harmonic exploration to its extremes. I didn't have time to check everything out yet but if you think of more instrumental madness keep em coming! I particularly enjoy fast playing, atonality or or use less typical modes/scales or music that makes use of a variety of modes/scales in the same song. TeleStrat: I remember hearing that Isotope album a few times and really liking it! |
Posted By: ChaoticEmergence
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 19:36
The kind of fast note runs that are on the first song of Brand X's Masques is exactly the kind of music I am after. Thanks a lot! |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: April 26 2015 at 19:41
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Isoptope has three albums plus a live one and they are all good but Illusion is my favorite. Gary Boyle is an excellent guitarist.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 12:11
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Zappa - Roxy & Elsewhere Return to Forever - Romantic Warrior ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 12:32
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Someone mentioned Mahavishnu early on in the thread and I have to ditto that...if you want quality fusion with great fast leads and a bit of atonality then that's the place to start...imo. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 18:04
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I don't remember seeing any recommendations for Weather Report. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 19:52
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Iceberg for pre-90s ; http://www.progarchives.com/mp3.asp?id=2903" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/mp3.asp?id=2903 Counter-World Experience for after http://www.progarchives.com/mp3.asp?id=4578" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/mp3.asp?id=4578 ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 14:09
Classic jam-fusion. Nice. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 23:44
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Don't forget Ian Carr's Nucleus and the early Brand X. Do you think Phil was thinking that Genesis was over when he started putting his hand in just about every proggy, jazzy dish at the time? ------------- I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there..... |
Posted By: terramystic
Date Posted: July 19 2015 at 07:57
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Others have already made some good suggestions. Here are some of mine: LEB I SOL - first four albums; also try VLATKO STEFANOVSKI solo projects (electric and accoustic) - what a great guitarist! DEN ZA DEN KORNET |