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Topic: Can you imagine Yes without THAT bass?
Posted By: KingBarbarossa
Subject: Can you imagine Yes without THAT bass?
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 21:21
Can you imagine Yes without Chris Squire's bass?
The news of his departure is quite devastating.

I think that a very important ingredient in the Yes sound is now gone and it marks the end of an era.

While I don't think that anybody really can fill Chris' shoes - who would you think might be suited to jump in? Billy Sherwood is supposed to take over and I wish them all luck. Who would be your favorite in this role?




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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 21:32
Honestly Yes will continue to tour and go on without Chris just like Yes continued on without Anderson. It's a machine. 

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Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 22:00
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Honestly Yes will continue to tour and go on without Chris just like Yes continued on without Anderson. It's a machine. 

I doubt this, Beyond current obligations I foresee only a small chsance of a continuation, and then only as a 5-small {5-15} date farewell tour if both Jon and Rick decide to buy in.  1 out of 5 chances on that.


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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 22:30
No one can truly fill Squire's shoes, but Tony Levin did a damn fine job on the ABWH album, and Jeff Berlin did a fine job of filling in for him live.  There are many great bassists out there but none had that unique combination of speed, power, melodicism, and grace that our Chris did.

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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 22:40
Yes is an institution. It will never be the same band, never could be but hopefully the kids and Sherwoods/Downes etc will keep the band name going. Heck why not? Wakemans kids have done amazing stuff with Yes/Strawbs. Froese's son with TD, Harry Waters with Roger Waters etc.
 
I guess it comes down to " proprietary' ownership and big business.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 22:43
Originally posted by Progosopher Progosopher wrote:

No one can truly fill Squire's shoes, but Tony Levin did a damn fine job on the ABWH album, and Jeff Berlin did a fine job of filling in for him live.  There are many great bassists out there but none had that unique combination of speed, power, melodicism, and grace that our Chris did.


ehhh...  we are in 2015 you know.. not 1975... LOL

the question isn't whether he can be replaced.. of course he can..  it is s question of whether he should. 

I think even in that .. that place of detachment from reality that the very famous can sometimes occupy.. you have to figure that whoever owns the Yes brand.  Alan White??? LOL  Realizes that fans are not likely coming out for Alan White and Steve Howe. LOL nNot for 100's of dollars a pop for a ticket.. not for a 10 dollar to see them playing on a bail of hay at the State Fair. Yes began with Chris.. it ended with his passing. I think even the guys in the band know it.  It would be great to see one last go around with some or all of the classic past members but it is Yes.. so who really knows.



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 22:58
Originally posted by Chris S Chris S wrote:

Yes is an institution. It will never be the same band, never could be but hopefully the kids and Sherwoods/Downes etc will keep the band name going. Heck why not? Wakemans kids have done amazing stuff with Yes/Strawbs. Froese's son with TD, Harry Waters with Roger Waters etc.
 
I guess it comes down to " proprietary' ownership and big business.


yeah.. I suppose Alan White would be holder of the bands name now.  Perhaps they could continue on without Chris.. I just can't see it.  Yes fans can be.. well.. sort of nuts!!! LOL  I don't think they would react well to a decision to do so, it isn't like the new album and tours were setting things ablaze and creating any sense of excitement even with him. A Squire-less Yes would.. yes...soon be playing atop truck beds at county fairs (opening for Rick Springfield btw Thumbs UpLOL) or on improptu stages in Wal-Mart parking lots LOL  I don't think anyone.. not the fans. .not the band wants to see them go out that way.


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Posted By: RabGH
Date Posted: June 29 2015 at 23:01
In my humble opinion Yes should call it quits as Jon and Chris were the song writing wizards orrrr, possibly recruit John Wetton to see if the magic can be retained...


Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 00:34
Jon has said in interviews that he'd like to see Yes continue indefinitely bringing in new players as old ones drop off...but I just don't see it after losing Chris.  They should call it a day and leave the legacy where it stands today.

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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 00:46
I actually think they’ll give it a few weeks and then announce that they’re going to carry on “with Chris’ blessing”, spin a line or two about the rich variety of musicians who have performed under the Yes name adding their own unique contributions over the years, that can carry the brand, er, sorry, I mean band, forward, all creating `the kind of music that only Yes can'...


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 00:56
Sherwood is really an understudy for Squire. He may be capable, but it can never be the same.
Naturally, I would be blown away if Nick Beggs stepped in, but still, not the same. Should Yes persist rolling the ball, replacements will just be in the shadow, and never fully fill that void left behind by Chris.


Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 01:13
No one. Never.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 02:40
Where does one draw the line ?? If the others opted to continue, is that with respect to the Master, or business as usual......? No one will EVER replace dear Chris. My head is still reeling........


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 02:58
History in the making:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

the question isn't whether he can be replaced.. of course he can..  it is s question of whether he should. 


After 11 years on PA, Micky and I actually agree on something!

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Not that I think it would (should?) ever happen but one name cropped up in my mind, especially after listening to a huge amount of Transatlantic recently - Pete Trewavas; similar sound, melodic player...

+++awaits howls of derision+++

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Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 03:26
I feel almost like I've lost a friend.  Anything Chris ever did with his instrument or his voice, I bought it, I listened to it, it became part of my life and consciousness.

We don't get a choice about whether YES continues with Chris Squire anymore.

All we get to choose is whether we would like this amazing music to continue to be played under the YES banner.  I think it should.  "And You and I" resonating in some casino somewhere in North Dakota is worth a hundred times more than Taylor Swift at Madison Square Garden.   I would recommend Steve Babb of Glass Hammer, who has studiously reproduced the Chris Squire bass sound and style on many recordings, and understands the spirit of the music.  In fact, let's just let Glass Hammer be YES.  They have earned it, and can do a lot better than "Heaven and Earth."


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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 03:30
could Graeme Murray of Pallas fame fill the slot, hes quite distinct, has that growly and characteristic sound of Richenbacher, similar to Squire, while nimble and flexible on hes own merrit.

i love Chirs Squire ass bass-player and Yes should not exist without him other then a tribute concert sometime, with new, and old members (with friends also like Hackett).


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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 04:11
Does anyone like that recent-ish Squackett album ??? It really is a pearl. I did spin my vinyl of it and was surprised I thought more highly of certain tracks than I did initially.
Proves the Squire-Syndrome............
He was beyond amazing .............my head is STILL reeling ............


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 04:33
Originally posted by RabGH RabGH wrote:

In my humble opinion Yes should call it quits as Jon and Chris were the song writing wizards orrrr, possibly recruit John Wetton to see if the magic can be retained...


If there had to be a replacement then Wetton would be a very good one, however I can't help thinking it might be time for them to knock it on the head now (although it pains me to say that).


Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 04:59
I know it's a business, and they very well COULD continue on...but I will genuinely be pissed if they do that.

Chris, IMHO, was THE glue that held that entire thing together. The only member consistent across all albums, all eras, all incarnations. It would be one thing if he wasn't on an album or two during the 80's - but he was there every single step of the way. I'll be very upset if they continue on without him. It's so wrong, it could never be right.

My father and I were discussing this yesterday; I hope the Yes guys follow the love and light they so proudly stand for, and close The Gates of Delirium in Squire's memory once and for all.


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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 06:19
I always thought Dave Meros was channeling Squire in some of Spock's Beard's music. He'd make a good fill-in substitute (provided he had the time). Even so, I can't imagine Yes continuing without Squire once their contractual obligations are done. But, you never know... I never imagined them going this long without Anderson on vocals either. So my opinion is as uninformed as ever.

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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 07:13
It would be a different YES, but they could go on as a band, though I certainly doubt it.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 07:23
Originally posted by freyacat freyacat wrote:

All we get to choose is whether we would like this amazing music to continue to be played under the YES banner.  I think it should.  "And You and I" resonating in some casino somewhere in North Dakota is worth a hundred times more than Taylor Swift at Madison Square Garden.
 
Agreed. I saw Yes twice on their last tour and they were excellent.  Did I mind that Jon Anderson wasn't there?  Of course.  Will I mind that Chris Squire isn't there this time?  Yes, even more.  It will still be a great show filled with great music and I expect I will enjoy it thoroughly.
 
I really do wonder why everyone is in such a hurry to close the coffin on Yes live.  What difference could it possibly make to those of you who don't want to see them live if they go on touring or not?  If you don't want to see what you consider a diminished Yes, then just don't buy a bloody ticket.  Why on earth do you care otherwise about a show you have no intention of seeing?


Posted By: KingBarbarossa
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 09:42
I can't really imagine Yes without Chris Squire, yet I have to admit that ABWH was enjoyable for me. I think if there was a chance for another ABWH - now perhaps as 'Yes' in future (Or even with White, or someone else, though I like Bruford), or with Patrick Moraz, that would be something I'd be interested in.
Well, only fantasizing...

Who knows...? Maybe they realize that life is just too short to stay apart for so long. I'd like to shout that over to the Genesis camp as well since we are at it...


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 30 2015 at 11:27
Any band can go on in the absence of any member, but as I said earlier 'can' is not the same as 'should'.

Yes survived the absence of Jon Anderson (just), but with the core now down to effectively Howe & White I really can't see them continuing as an ongoing unit - maybe a couple of farewell shows, but...

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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 01 2015 at 04:34
I hope not. I hate bands that keep going with few and sometimes even with no original members at all.

But we'd better get used to more of this kind of thing. Our 70s heroes are not getting any younger. I can't believe I'm seeing Andy Latimer in York next week, because he too should have passed away as well. 


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 01 2015 at 12:11
Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

I hope not. I hate bands that keep going with few and sometimes even with no original members at all.

But we'd better get used to more of this kind of thing. Our 70s heroes are not getting any younger. I can't believe I'm seeing Andy Latimer in York next week, because he too should have passed away as well. 

You know, I've long wished that the 70's artists cultivated understudies who could take over the band when they retired.  Bob Fripp has done this to an extent, although I don't think King Crimson would continue as KC; rather, I could see a "new" band carrying forth with the flagship music and new compositions.  

"Zappa Plays Zappa," led by Dweezil Zappa, is a great example of what could be done!  I've seen ZPZ twice, they are excellent (I also saw Frank Zappa in concert twice, so I have a comparison basis).  

As far as Yes, we have both Ollie and Adam Wakeman as mentees of Rick Wakeman and Billy Sherwood as understudy to Chris Squire.  Howe's son is a drummer, I'm not sure if he would be up to the Yes obligation.  

It COULD be done, if done properly and with the approval of band members.  I'm just not sure that it will.  

Unless that condition is met (understudies), I'd say that the curtain should come down on Yes. 



Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 01 2015 at 12:16
After saw The Who without The Ox, I can imagine Yes without The Fish.


Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 01 2015 at 12:51
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Honestly Yes will continue to tour and go on without Chris just like Yes continued on without Anderson. It's a machine
Exactly. I already mentioned The Who without John Alec Entwistle. A few months after JAE passed away, Pete Townshend even said in his diary at his former petetownshend.com that JAE' death can be good for the band, but later he apologized to JAE's mother for his statement Confused


Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 01 2015 at 12:59
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Honestly Yes will continue to tour and go on without Chris just like Yes continued on without Anderson. It's a machine

Exactly. I already mentioned The Who without John Alec Entwistle. A few moths after JAE passed away, Pete Townshend even said in his diary at his former petetownshend.com that JAE' death can be good for the band, but later he apologized to JAE's mother for his statement Confused


A poor example, I am afraid. The Who have most certainly not been the same band without Entwistle. Moon has been replaced (just) by Jones, and, latterly, Starkey. But not Entwistle. Townsend himself has often said it is not the same band, but they carried on because he felt they had the right to.

I have no right to argue with him, but, as a longstanding fan, I do have the right to state unutterably it is not the same.

I am very uncomfortable with this idea of bands continuing as a "franchise". In many ways, it is trying to recreate something which is magical, something that properly belongs in our youth, that energy and inspiration that is virtually impossible to recreate.

In music, as in life, the past should be allowed to remain, alongside those wonderful memories we have of that past.

Cover bands, franchises, old men trying to be young men, can never, ever, recreate that magic. It is like life. Life is an evolutionary process, and, there comes a point when you just have to accept that there are certain things you cannot do as old people that you did as young people.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 01 2015 at 13:52
Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Honestly Yes will continue to tour and go on without Chris just like Yes continued on without Anderson. It's a machine

Exactly. I already mentioned The Who without John Alec Entwistle. A few moths after JAE passed away, Pete Townshend even said in his diary at his former petetownshend.com that JAE' death can be good for the band, but later he apologized to JAE's mother for his statement Confused


A poor example, I am afraid. The Who have most certainly not been the same band without Entwistle. Moon has been replaced (just) by Jones, and, latterly, Starkey. But not Entwistle. Townsend himself has often said it is not the same band, but they carried on because he felt they had the right to.

I have no right to argue with him, but, as a longstanding fan, I do have the right to state unutterably it is not the same.

I am very uncomfortable with this idea of bands continuing as a "franchise". In many ways, it is trying to recreate something which is magical, something that properly belongs in our youth, that energy and inspiration that is virtually impossible to recreate.

In music, as in life, the past should be allowed to remain, alongside those wonderful memories we have of that past.

Cover bands, franchises, old men trying to be young men, can never, ever, recreate that magic. It is like life. Life is an evolutionary process, and, there comes a point when you just have to accept that there are certain things you cannot do as old people that you did as young people.
Well, Pete Townshend said in rockumentary about Quad album recording that The Who were "off" as a real band after Quad, i.e. that they are a kind of a "brand name" since 1973. As a (casual) The Who fan, I strongly disagree.
I saw The Who with JAE live two times in London and one time wihout him in Sankt Polten, Austria. And you know what? When Pete Townshend was start the gig with those I Can't Explain riffs, it was clear that even as "The Two" they're still a great Rock band. 


Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: July 01 2015 at 17:26
No.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 02 2015 at 00:26
Originally posted by Svetonio Svetonio wrote:

Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Honestly Yes will continue to tour and go on without Chris just like Yes continued on without Anderson. It's a machine
Exactly. I already mentioned The Who without John Alec Entwistle. A few months after JAE passed away, Pete Townshend even said in his diary at his former petetownshend.com that JAE' death can be good for the band, but later he apologized to JAE's mother for his statement Confused

Obviously.....




Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: July 02 2015 at 11:31
The bass in yours is no disgrace should really be examined.

Anyone else have Yes sounding different now that he's gone? 
It sounds fresh again. 


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Posted By: Sunflower
Date Posted: July 02 2015 at 12:04
1st, Hello, hope I can contribute,

This IS a worthy thread to post on, imo    -   NO.

I know its a business but, can't think of anyone right now, Mr. Squire was to me, half the sound of Yes.
Of course, they could go on, but it would never be the same ! 


Posted By: questionsneverknown
Date Posted: July 02 2015 at 13:36
Because Yes, even more than most long-standing groups, has had such a rapidly moving rotating door with players coming and going, it's all too easy to imagine Yes continuing to play and record without Squire.

As several others have already said, whether they should is an entirely different matter.

I have a great fondness for Drama, but that was, I think, the first album where anyone would be right to ask, "Is this still an album by Yes?"

Haven't seen them play in any of the various incarnations of the last decade or so, and so I really don't know how good they've been live, but I think they seem to have entered that nebulous zone where the distinction between Original Group and Tribute Group has become very blurry indeed.

Don't get me wrong, I've seen some tribute groups that I've very much enjoyed, but if Yes were to continue without Squire would they be Yes, or a tribute to Yes?


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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: July 02 2015 at 14:07
The trouble with this thread - and others that have addressed the same issue - is that most of you seem to be cynically assuming that Yes are continuing to tour to squeeze the last bit of cash out of their gullible fans. 
 
When I attended a Yes concert last year, however, what I saw was a bunch of musicians who were very obviously enjoying playing excellent music.  No one was making a killing off those shows - the venues weren't large enough to be that lucrative.  The band were there because they wanted to be, and the musicians clearly were pleased that the fans were enjoying the shows as well.
 
If the remaining members of Yes, and whomever they invite to join them in playing, want to go on touring, then more power to them. If you don't want to go see them, then the solution is obvious - don't go to see them.
 
I do wonder how many people on this site would be offended if complete strangers were to sit around speculating about the reasons you continued to pursue your chosen career and whether you should go on doing so. I wouldn't be too pleased about it myself.
 
Maybe we could all be a little less sanctimonious about other people's choices - particularly as we can't read their minds and therefore don't know their motives?


Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: July 02 2015 at 14:24
For me classic Yes is Anderson+Howe+Squire

not going to diminish anybody else's contribution, but these three were primary songwriters of most 'classical' material




Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: July 02 2015 at 21:59
A big question I can't get past is who actually controls the Yes name? Edit: there is an explanation on chrissquire.com. The name is owned jointly by Squire, Anderson, and White. The current Yes, LLC is owned by Squire, Howe, and White.

My feeling is that Mr. Squire and company intended to see Yes through to its 50th anniversary. Although Chris can't be part of it, there may be sufficient interest on the part of enough veteran members to make it happen. And from there, perhaps nobody knows, including the surviving band members.


Posted By: ProgressiveHypocrite
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 09:57
Yes, 200 years from now there very well could be a band called Yes that performs the music of old. It will be like an orchestra, not a money thing, but just a way to keep the music alive.


Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 10:06
In jazz, such a thing is common, and called a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_band" rel="nofollow - ghost band .



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Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 09:22
I suggest the band carries on as Yesshows - a touring group of musicians with close ties to the band recreating the Yessound.  Sort of like how the Grateful Dead splinter groups carry on with Jerry Garcia.  The crowd grooves, the music is fine, and the Dead come to life again, if only for a moment.....but it ain't the Dead. Yesshows would serve the same purpose.....let the ghost of Yes rise again. 
I have had dozens of chances to see Yes since my last show on the Union tour, and I'm sure I missed some great nights, but it was just so far from the Yes that I enjoy that it might as well have been a Yesshows concert.  Still,  I regret not seeing Chris and Steve play together again.....sh*t.
 
But, honestly, in my opinion it has been a legacy band since Bruford left....I love a lot of stuff that followed, but that vibrant, almost magical sound - THE Yessound - left with Bruford.


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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 10:00
Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

I suggest the band carries on as Yesshows - a touring group of musicians with close ties to the band recreating the Yessound.  Sort of like how the Grateful Dead splinter groups carry on with Jerry Garcia.  The crowd grooves, the music is fine, and the Dead come to life again, if only for a moment.....but it ain't the Dead. Yesshows would serve the same purpose.....let the ghost of Yes rise again. 
I have had dozens of chances to see Yes since my last show on the Union tour, and I'm sure I missed some great nights, but it was just so far from the Yes that I enjoy that it might as well have been a Yesshows concert.  Still,  I regret not seeing Chris and Steve play together again.....sh*t.
 
But, honestly, in my opinion it has been a legacy band since Bruford left....I love a lot of stuff that followed, but that vibrant, almost magical sound - THE Yessound - left with Bruford.

This is actually not a bad idea at all...


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Posted By: Big Kid Josie
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 11:12
If Jon, Rick, Steve and Alan all came back and wanted to carry on with another bass player, I would still go to see them.  Would I miss the Fish's thunderous bass lines, you damn betcha...but I would go.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 17:12
Since Chris was in all the lineups before he died I think Yes should hang it up.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 23:07
Originally posted by PrognosticMind PrognosticMind wrote:

Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

I suggest the band carries on as Yesshows - a touring group of musicians with close ties to the band recreating the Yessound.  Sort of like how the Grateful Dead splinter groups carry on with Jerry Garcia.  The crowd grooves, the music is fine, and the Dead come to life again, if only for a moment.....but it ain't the Dead. Yesshows would serve the same purpose.....let the ghost of Yes rise again. 
I have had dozens of chances to see Yes since my last show on the Union tour, and I'm sure I missed some great nights, but it was just so far from the Yes that I enjoy that it might as well have been a Yesshows concert.  Still,  I regret not seeing Chris and Steve play together again.....sh*t.
 
But, honestly, in my opinion it has been a legacy band since Bruford left....I love a lot of stuff that followed, but that vibrant, almost magical sound - THE Yessound - left with Bruford.

This is actually not a bad idea at all...

I could be OK with this, but Downes would have to go.  He stinks.  Tony Kaye would bring some legacy back to the band.  

If Anderson returned, they could certainly be a legitimate Yes, but I think the conflict between Howe is too great to bridge.  Pity, Howe is riding this horse into its grave...


Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 04:54
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by PrognosticMind PrognosticMind wrote:

Originally posted by Intruder Intruder wrote:

I suggest the band carries on as Yesshows - a touring group of musicians with close ties to the band recreating the Yessound.  Sort of like how the Grateful Dead splinter groups carry on with Jerry Garcia.  The crowd grooves, the music is fine, and the Dead come to life again, if only for a moment.....but it ain't the Dead. Yesshows would serve the same purpose.....let the ghost of Yes rise again. 
I have had dozens of chances to see Yes since my last show on the Union tour, and I'm sure I missed some great nights, but it was just so far from the Yes that I enjoy that it might as well have been a Yesshows concert.  Still,  I regret not seeing Chris and Steve play together again.....sh*t.
 
But, honestly, in my opinion it has been a legacy band since Bruford left....I love a lot of stuff that followed, but that vibrant, almost magical sound - THE Yessound - left with Bruford.

This is actually not a bad idea at all...

I could be OK with this, but Downes would have to go.  He stinks.  Tony Kaye would bring some legacy back to the band.  

If Anderson returned, they could certainly be a legitimate Yes, but I think the conflict between Howe is too great to bridge.  Pity, Howe is riding this horse into its grave...

I wouldn't accept anything less than Anderson on vocals, however. I should have mentioned that in my previous post Smile.

I could take or leave Downes.

I'd hope the situation with Chris would bring about a change for Howe and crew...


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Posted By: Lowend
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 14:08
I've been able to handle most of the personnel changes over the years but .... as far as I'm concerned the band died with Squire.


Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 16:09
Originally posted by Lowend Lowend wrote:

I've been able to handle most of the personnel changes over the years but .... as far as I'm concerned the band died with Squire.

Tony Levin proved that the bassist's chair in Yes could be taken by another player of great stature, but I agree, the band is dead.  


Posted By: JD
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 19:47
Yes was done for me pretty much after Big Generator. Even with some of the previous lineups the "Yes sound" had strayed from it's roots, which happens with the best of bands I admit. Certainly Chris was the grounding rod for the band over the years. His departure will make it difficult for Yes to be anything more than a pale shadow of what they once were to be sure.

So, no, I can't imagine Yes without that bass.

Time to reform ABWH.


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Posted By: Lowend
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 19:53
Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

Originally posted by Lowend Lowend wrote:

I've been able to handle most of the personnel changes over the years but .... as far as I'm concerned the band died with Squire.

Tony Levin proved that the bassist's chair in Yes could be taken by another player of great stature, but I agree, the band is dead.  
 
Tony Levin is amazing but Squire had a unique style. It may be imitated well but it can not be completely replaced, at least in my opinion. I'm sure Tony would do a better job than Billy Sherwood. Billy ain't bad but he ain't no Tony Levin, either.LOL


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 22:28
The thing about Tony Levin is that, indeed Squire may have had a unique style, but so does Tony. It can be particularly notorious if you listen both ABWH live albums, the original evening of Yes Music, and the Live at the Nec, one with Levin, and the first one with the bass player that replaced Tony when he was ill. The other one may have played Squiere's parts even more faithfully, but Tony's versions do have his stamp on them, and that kind of makes it more interesting to listen to them.


Posted By: Lowend
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 15:41
Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

The thing about Tony Levin is that, indeed Squire may have had a unique style, but so does Tony. It can be particularly notorious if you listen both ABWH live albums, the original evening of Yes Music, and the Live at the Nec, one with Levin, and the first one with the bass player that replaced Tony when he was ill. The other one may have played Squiere's parts even more faithfully, but Tony's versions do have his stamp on them, and that kind of makes it more interesting to listen to them.
 
It can be interesting to hear other musician's interpretations of pieces.  There have been times when I've liked the remake more than the original. Chris Squire just happens to be the person who influenced me the most. I'm sure we all have someone like that.


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Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 16:29
During the ABWH phase, Levin applied his "funk fingers" (short drumsticks taped to his right hand fingers) in order to replicate the speed and treble that Squire produced using a plectrum.  Here's a bit of an interview:
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TL: "Close to the edge, down by the water, how did it go, I'm a forgotter." er,, what was the question? Oh, did it blow me away -- well, the truth is, I didn't have the option of getting blown away - I had a few weeks to learn all the material and, frankly, that involved me improving my technical speed quite a bit - so I didn't stop to evaluate anything until later. 


I was impressed, but worried about technique, I'm afraid. At that time, I decided, instead of trying to play fast with a pick, to develop a new technique I had tried a bit - two drumsticks attached to my fingers -- I call them funk fingers -- I felt this would be a trebly sound in keeping with the tradition, but would be somewhat new too, and VERY trebly. 


Maybe I'm saying my emotional reaction was ... fear! Not really -- I dug the material, and very much enjoyed the challenge it presented me with. 


MOT: The funk fingers give your bass playing a different, interesting sound. How did you first discover or invent this technique? 


TL: On a P.G. song called "Big Time" I had the drummer, Jerry Marotta, play on the strings while I fingered the notes. Then, live I had to try to play it myself. I used one stick and ... shall I say I did the best I could. One day, Peter saw me, and suggested I try to attach two sticks to my fingers. I simply turned to Andy Moore, my tech at the time, and said "Can we do that?" Andy fashioned them, we spent many months improving the details, and then, having heard Chris Squires parts, I spent weeks practicing like hell. 


http://www.elephant-talk.com/wiki/Interview_with_Tony_Levin_in_Notes_From_the_Edge" rel="nofollow - http://www.elephant-talk.com/wiki/Interview_with_Tony_Levin_in_Notes_From_the_Edge

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I saw ABWH in concert, and Levin was absolutely brilliant, filling in for Squire! 



Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 16:48
^ I, too, was impressed by Levin's performance in the ABWH show.  His duet with Bruford during the drum solo segment was outrageous - although similar to what he had done with Crimson.
 After the concert, many of us from local record stores were invited to a meet and greet party.  I asked Levin about the sticks, and at the time he didn't want to talk about them.  I assumed he didn't want any details released in case he was able to market them.
 
If Levin was ever coerced to join, would that not make the ABWH albums actual Yes albums (I consider them such anyway), if all of the members would be official Yes members?
 
 


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 22:51
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:


^ I, too, was impressed by Levin's performance in the ABWH show.  His duet with Bruford during the drum solo segment was outrageous - although similar to what he had done with Crimson.
 After the concert, many of us from local record stores were invited to a meet and greet party.  I asked Levin about the sticks, and at the time he didn't want to talk about them.  I assumed he didn't want any details released in case he was able to market them.
 
If Levin was ever coerced to join, would that not make the ABWH albums actual Yes albums (I consider them such anyway), if all of the members would be official Yes members?
 
 


During a time, before Anderson left the band the last time, on Yes's official page the ABWH album was listed among the Yes discography, but it seems this has been removed now (I remember liking the way the page was presented then). Also, since the Union album has many songs from ABWH, and that one is an official Yes album, that is enough for me to consider the first ABWH album also a Yes album (besides the fact that it's got 4 out of 5 members from the classic line-up).


Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 15:20
I have always thought that ABWH was a Yes album except for obscure legal reasons which prohibited them from putting the Yes logo on the cover.  After all, they did not choose an alternative band name, and just put their surnames on it, because with an alternative band name it "wouldn't have been Yes" - but it was meant to be Yes.  Not that I consider ABWH something comparable to the great Yes classics, but the other 80s and later Yes albums can't compare with them either.



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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 20:46
Originally posted by WeepingElf WeepingElf wrote:

I have always thought that ABWH was a Yes album except for obscure legal reasons which prohibited them from putting the Yes logo on the cover.  After all, they did not choose an alternative band name, and just put their surnames on it, because with an alternative band name it "wouldn't have been Yes" - but it was meant to be Yes.  Not that I consider ABWH something comparable to the great Yes classics, but the other 80s and later Yes albums can't compare with them either.




Exactly my point of view too.


Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 17:36
No! Next question.

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Posted By: ProgressiveHypocrite
Date Posted: January 27 2016 at 05:55
Bring in Carl Palmer and it'll be Asia... ugh... Asia Dead 


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: January 27 2016 at 07:27
some of us actually LIKE Asia. I know I do.


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: January 27 2016 at 07:28
^ there are some Asia albums I like, too


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: January 27 2016 at 07:31
Handshake^ thanks! nice not to be alone.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 27 2016 at 13:47
Originally posted by KingBarbarossa KingBarbarossa wrote:

Can you imagine Yes without Chris Squire's bass?
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I appreciate his work as much as the next person, but I find it sad that someone thinks that his bass was all the work was about.
 
Very sad comment in my book. No doubt he was a great player ... like watching a Stanley Clarke ... but there is more to the music, than the person ... a lot more ... and YES deserved the credit, not just Chris!
 


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