Judas Priest
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Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
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Topic: Judas Priest
Posted By: aglasshouse
Subject: Judas Priest
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 17:37
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I've noticed that Iron Maiden was added to Prog for being influential to later bands. I also think that a band that came even before Iron Maiden was Judas Priest which influenced bands as well. Is there any way they are qualified as well? ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 17:42
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I once see some topic about Judas Priest. I do believe that they are a Prog-Related Band, but I will wait for other people to manifest themselves. By the way: love their first albums :) ------------- - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 17:46
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They have been suggested (and discussed) numerous times in the past few years, though without any positive results. Personally, I have always been in favour of adding them to Prog-Related because of their first three albums, but a lot of other people disagree. You can check these threads if you like: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47114&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=2793608#2793608" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=47114&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=2793608#2793608 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55622&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=3147699#3147699" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55622&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=3147699#3147699 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68846&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=3713050#3713050" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=68846&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=3713050#3713050 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82433&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=4334262#4334262" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82433&KW=Judas+Priest&PID=4334262#4334262 |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 17:51
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they would fit in a rational website.. those first 3 were damn related, proto prog-metal or simply flat out PRog-Metal. It is an interesting disucssion which means ... it is a discussion to be had.. which means they belong on the site. Discussion and reviews do more to answer that question than secret meetings behind closed doors in the admin zone or even the collab zone. However mention Judas Priest in the past and rationality will go out the window. I know the site is under new management these days... curious to see how they'd handled a request ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 18:10
Time to revisit it perhaps....JP should be here for the first three albums under prog related. You need to find someone with the passion and determination to see it through, personally I would just spin Sad Wings of Destiny and get my fix that way ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 18:16
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oh we could add it... no problem there.. however it is not up to us. If it was we would have long ago..even when the forum was not receptive to it. The site just added frickin Buckethead and not a person flipped out or went sh*those crazy as they did famously when Iron Maiden got added. It is a different site, in membership AND most importantly.. in scope. You have dozens of albums from artists like Miles Davis included for each one that might relate to the site. So the fear all the power or pop metal albums that would also be included for the sake of the pertinent ones simply doesn't wash. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 18:56
 ......I agree they should be added too-------------   
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micky wrote:Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:14
| IMHO not prog at all. |
Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:17
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I vote for a sounding yes as stoped Traffic to listen "Dream Deceiver - Deceiver". ------------- - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:25
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since I just finished Vanden Plas.. and my blood is pumping... going straight to this... since it is still early enough in the evening to rattle the pictures on the wall the issue if prog metal belongs on this site has been long decided.. the site included Sabbath.. it is long overdue to get this band added.. where is my.. oh yeah.. there it is ...  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:25
Personally I think those early albums were an influence on Maiden and Metallica who were an influence on prog metal. So maybe proto-proto-prog metal at best. I sure as hell wouldn't want to see 5 star reviews of British Steel on the front page. I think Megadeth have a better case (not that I'm saying they should be added ).------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:32
and Miles Davis jazz albums from the 1950's... less of a problem with that Daryl. That barn door was opened years ago and once opened it could never be closed. Remember man.. it is what THEY want to see on this site. I do think it needs a poll. Let the admins see if there is.. or isn't a desire to see Judas Priest on the site. Let people say with their votes if they think Priest had enough of a contributon to prog metal.. or even if certain things.. NOSTRADAMUS people. were flat out prog-metal ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:42
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Judas Priest made a big contribution to progmetal, no doubt, though frankly I'd say the Scorpions were a touch more influential; Michael Schenker and Uli Roth ? That's about as prog as metal got back then. ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:48
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Asked if the members of JUDAS PRIEST were aware, more than forty years ago, that they were creating a form of music that was completely different, Hill
said: "I don't think we were, no. It's something that evolved over the
years. It wasn't sort of something that happened overnight. JUDAS PRIEST
evolved the same as everybody else. We started playing, in the 1960s,
early '70s, what people called 'heavy rock' or 'progressive rock.' I can
remember us making a conscious effort to try and steer clear of the
12-bar element (although there are one or two songs in there over the
years that have had that sort of three-chord battishness). But we stayed
clear of that. We just went a bit harder, maybe, a bit heavier and a
bit faster than others were doing at the time." Read more at http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/judas-priests-ian-hill-heavy-metal-music-will-always-be-here-in-some-way-shape-or-form/#IuTSIMvJ0CPfl0dq.99 ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:51
Nostradamus is really underrated, killer album!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 19:54
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it belongs here.. .so does the group. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 20:21
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Well I suppose I'm the man of change. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 05 2015 at 20:23
Scorps first two albums are about as prog/metal/psych as you can get....If we are talking about a couple albums then Lonesome Crow destroys the initial Priest albums for progyness. Both need inclusion..... -------------
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 05:40
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I did what I could years back. It went to the admin team for inclusion as prog related and they dropped the hammer and said "no". I think that new admins or not it is a dead deal. ------------- 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 06:24
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no is the answer, they are heavy metal all the way, even first 3 albums toying here in there with some sporadicaly prog leanings Evrywhere JP is stated as heavy metal gods and no trace of prog here Just my opinion |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 06:51
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"We started rehearsing and
writing some of our own songs, classing ourselves as a progressive rock band. We
also played covers of bands like Spirit and Quick Silver Messenger Service. We
advertised for work in a local newspaper, and a guy called Alan Eade from Ace
Management came to our rescue. He put some gigs our way and took us into the
studios to record some of my songs. We recorded two songs, "Good Time Woman" and
"We'll Stay Together" and sent them off to several record companies. We had interest from Harvest and Immediate Record companies, so we did a live showcase for them at a local venue in Walsall, The George Hotel. "Among the audience that night was another singer called Robert Plant (Led Zeppelin) who we were introduced to. Immediate Records liked the sound of us and gave us a deal. We signed a three-year contract (our manager gave us a champagne party at his house) and starting putting songs together for the first album. "Two months later, the bubble burst when our manager Alan gave us the bad news that the record company had folded. This was a bitter blow for us. Back to the drawing board and back on the road touring.... We carried on touring into 1970, but started to drift apart musically, I wanted to explore the rock side and break away from the bluesy feel the band had developed. So, midway through 1970, we decided to split and go our separate ways." - Al Atkins, VICTIM OF CHANGES liner note, 1997 ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 06:55
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"K.K., Ian
and I would jam at their apartment whenever we got the chance. We used to knock
up tons of different ideas and make loads of cassettes. It was interesting
because I think we were probably feeling our way as to how and what exactly
Priest should be."
"We were
pretty adventurous and we tried to steer away from basic twelve-bar stuff,
because we were more into progressive rock. On the rare occasions that we did
anything slightly close to a twelve-bar, we'd try and alter it dramatically by
putting in some unusual changes. Most of the other bands around were sticking to
the same basic stuff." ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 07:46
Totally agree Bogdan  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 08:01
| ^ me too |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 09:26
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I think everybody here are aware that Judas Priest wouldn't be admitted in here even if they released a double album of 20 minute epics with multiple themes, orchestral arrangements and music more complex than Gentle Giant made in their heyday. They have too many straight metal albums in their history to ever be admitted in here, no matter what they may do for the next 10 or even 20 years if they stay alive that long. That they have some early albums that are prog influenced, arguably even prog depending on point of view, that the band was aware of and familiar of the genre and knowingly incorporated elements of it early on, and admittedly influential to the development of progressive metal won't change that. As long as they have a full dozen albums without any prog merits, they will never be allowed into the database of this website. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 09:36
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^ not true at all, if they make a prog album, the next day we'll all vote Yes. Just don't get your hopes up, with 'Redeemer of Souls' they hit rock bottom where it comes to prog credentials I got to know JP in my teens when I was searching for something else after being addicted to Prog for years. Sad Wings and Sin after Sin filled the gap. I've never seen those albums as Prog. That being said, they sure had their influence on the proggy side of Maiden and would have made a better addition to Prog Related than Black Sabbath who are there for no reason at all other than M@x's wish if you ask me. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 09:58
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Hmmm, well in that case there should be high hopes for the likes of UFO and Scorpions at least, as both of them have undisputed prog albums in their discography. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 06 2015 at 19:04
FWIW the old standby of "one prog album and you're in" was no longer the favored way of approaching legacy artists according to previous (and nameless) Admin I've spoken to about this. They had become more in favor of considering the "entirity of the body of work" than they were to someone pointing to one or two debatable albums and then approving an artist with a dozen (or two) non prog albums. they explained that the "one and you're in" rule was born of early days when the site was young, as a strategy to add much content as quickly as possible. As it grew and because more focused and organized, the thinking was that we should require a legacy artist to meet a higher standard than one or two "proggy" albums since that particular standard could apply to some dubious additions not really suited to the site. My personal opinion is that Priest might be perfectly happy and better suited at Max's other baby, MMA. But If they make it through the process after good consideration, more power to them! ------------- |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 10:57
If this is the case, the teams should be notified. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 11:25
I smell sarcasm... ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 11:48
beats the alternative.. and telling those against this that their objections are based on 'the name' not the music. And continuing to say that that works for the unwashed masses but should not collaborators who should listen without prejudice.. if they can't do that.. they shouldn't be tasked with additions here. You would rather have his irony that saying something like that wouldn't you? For if he did.. I might have jumped in and reminded those who those who have TOTALLY lost track of what our jobs as collaborators are... to serve the site. The fact this has been raised so many times, agreed to by so many who sure as hell do know prog rock reminds one of the old saying where there is smoke there is fire. The site is not about being a judge and jury.. it is supposed to be a resource. The basis is not that everyone should agree.. for there are as many notions of prog as there are fans... but that the site is a place .. a resource where one can explore. Not get a summary of what a few swinging dicks with fancy titles think... I think sarcasm worked rather well there.  We wouldn't want to bring back that whole philosophical question that led collabs to rip each other apart again would we.On that note.. look at Steely Dan. Added.. and is the site better for it. Goddamn right it is.. who cares if not everyone thought they belonged.. enough did.. and even some have discovered them via their addtion. So what again is our purpose here.. .I think some have forgotten it. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 12:05
Not really. Those are points that have been made in other cases of a well known band/artist with one or two prog albums and a large catalog of much better known non-prog albums. The rationale being that in those cases, adding the artist would be detrimental to the purpose of the site because the prog content is low and fairly unknown while the artist is a household name in non-prog circles. Judas Priest is a suggestion that have been tossed around for many years now, and as far as I can recall this is a case that was dead and buried long ago as well. Personally I don't see any dramatic consequences of adding them, but won't fight for their inclusion. As long as one can highlight the reasons for why people want them to be considered that's the most important aspect of this thread. As far as adding them goes, I regard that as a carcass well under way in the putrification process, just about reduced to the bare bones at this point. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 12:36
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Ah, yes. The smell of sarcasm was attached to the more general point, not this specific case - although it serves as an example, despite its putrified state. ^^micky, try to write coherent, I had to read that 7 times before I got your message  ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 12:41
 you all should know me by now... if I am writing coherently.. I am in troll mode. Lest my trollishnes be lost upon the recipient. IF not.. I'm in full on crusader mode and foaming at the mouth thus .. slightly harder to understand ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:20
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Related to Prog Related... We has not never not doesn't ever has that category and this hasn't been the reason to has been creating one now. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:36
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Posted By: VOTOMS
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 14:54
| You can't add Guns and Roses to PA because of November Rain and Estranged. |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 15:11
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Sorry I'm still thinking bout Frank Marino's Mahogany Rush... Now that is a good candidate for PR. The Priest... well I really can't find prog in their first records (which I like btw).
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Posted By: VOTOMS
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 16:37
| Other hand, I like Judas Priest and (kinda) hate Iron Maiden. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 17:08
I agree Scott, I think it would make things clearer for all involved, assuming the current admins agree with the philosophical shift. ------------- |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 17:17
| Never say never. I remember when I was a newbie here and I mentioned the possibility of Metallica being added and a colab said they would NEVER get on PA. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: July 07 2015 at 18:26
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Love them but I'm not willing to think they be fit for PR. As Dean says, RPR or PRR. Judas have been suggested again and again and rejected again and again ... sorry but no more discussion needed. /closed ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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