Ocean Vs Planets
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Topic: Ocean Vs Planets
Posted By: Svetonio
Subject: Ocean Vs Planets
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 01:35
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An initial vote goes for Ocean
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 03:30
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Ocean is way overproduced and has the worse cheesy synth sound I've ever heard in my life, it's almost unlistenable and completely ruins the compositions that said Planets isn't very good either |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 04:07
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Both albums are great, but I feel Planets stands out a bit more for me. I love the synth sound on both albums. Some of the cheesiest lyrics and vocal deliveries of any band ever, but it's totally worth it, lol. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 05:38
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Going with Ocean. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 06:06
| Both top-tier albums. I will vote Ocean, if only because I'm a sucker for Jurgen Rosenthal's drumming. And Poseidon's Creation is possibly the ultimate Eloy track in my world. |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 06:14
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Tom Ozric wrote:Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 06:27
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Ocean, though both are good albums. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 07:44
| Both are great but Colours, Planets and Time to Turn are Eloy's peak IMO. So Planets |
Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 09:00
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I own both of these and have always enjoyed those easy listening synth sounds and cheesy lyrics Voted for oceans mainly for Poseidon's Creation. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 10:51
| Ocean, could never get into Planets |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 10:59
Time to Turn is my favorite from Eloy
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 13:25
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Ocean ------------- |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 13:26
I voted for Colours.  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 08 2015 at 15:18
Another solid one! Everything from Dawn through Time to Turn is great, IMHO. ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 03:14
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Ocean , but I like aswell Planets, one hell of a great band |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 05:01
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Listening to lots of Eloy because of this thread. Ocean with my coffee this morning. "...And the gods...made love...primary procreation is accomplished!" ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 08:27
correct! and I would add the superb "Inside" to the list. Freaked out vocals and wonderful wild jamming. Lyrically you might find pause, although they don't bother me, vocally you might complain, although I think Frank is just fine except when he sings falsetto on the awful "Destinations", but musically Eloy knew exactly what they were doing, and did it superbly. My three favorites are "Inside", "Dawn" and "Time to Turn", 3 different eras, 3 incredible albums. My next favorites would be "Colours" and "Planets", so to me the early 80s era wins. Next come "Ocean" and "Silent Cries", oft considered their best, not my favorites but still darn good. Following that I do enjoy "Ra", "Tides Return Forever" and "Ocean 2". Not big on "Floating", "Power and the Passion", and "Visionary", which nonetheless has some good moments. Only "Destination" is a real dud IMO
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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 10:16
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Planets for me. Never liked Ocean very much. Yeah, good but not really impressive. I've got allt heir studio stuff from Floating to Performance (the latter is their one and only faux pas IMO). My fave is Dawn which is their best ever. Time to Turn as close second (End of an Odissey is amazing!) Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes is third on the list.
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 10:20
I love everything from the debut to Ocean, and everything from Ra to present. I like Colours and Performance as well though.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 11:30
| I forgot to mention Performance - it's down there with Floating and P&P, not a favorite at all, but not terrible. The final track has an incredible lead guitar solo. Oh yeah. and not a fan of Metromania at all, other than the very cool "All Life is One" and the title cut. I mean if you are gonna go all 80s, you might as well be catchy |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 11:34
agreed about "End of an Odyssey". Not to attract a rough crowd, but the outro is one of the places where Eloy shows a strong ALAN PARSONS PROJECT influence, as they did on "Colours" as well.
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 12:04
 I find the lyrical delivery as well as the vocal delivery can be a turnoff on the first couple of listens on stuff like Ocean and Planets, but they really do have a purpose and their own sound. I always lol at most of the lyrics on Ocean, but the music is so damn solid and engaging. Gotta love that German spin on simple English "...of all times..." etc . That's part of the charm for me. There's some damn good bass playing in there, as well.
Funny, because I feel like for myself, they didn't really pick up until Dawn, and then started going downhill (fast) after Metromania. Awesome band either way! ------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 13:25
| ELOY seemed to possess a flair for drama and suspense, that could be considered over the top for sure, but those are oft maligned traits of prog in general. I think Frank took the music and concepts seriously. I find no fault with that; it sure beats singing about drinking and getting the girl over and over. And, finally, in terms of spacey symphonic, not many bands compete with Eloy on melody. It's clear to me that this was a very important aspect to their sound that they adhered to pretty consistently. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: July 09 2015 at 22:31
I think you're in the wrong music forum. You sure you are talking about the 1977 album Ocean? I could think of millions of worse synth sounds. The weakest part of Oceans is the composing as a whole imo. Some moments just drag on during the album but there are some great moments. I think the vocal parts are the bands weakest of the 70s though.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 00:33
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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 00:49
It's just his opinion, I can completely understand not being able to stand the synth. I'm not a fan of the synth, although I find it decent on Ocean. I've never understood why the vocalist bothers so many people, I love his vocals.
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 04:45
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^That's why this forum is awesome; so much insight into what people love/can't stand about various aspects of progressive music. I personally love the synth, but the vocal lines can get a bit irritating at times. I've come to accept that as part of the Eloy charm, however .------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 09:42
| .....ze ellements of erse....... |
Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 10:07
------------- "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous. Got me?" |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 17:52
It's not the voice, it's the music when he sings on ocean. Just synth and vocals. Probably the bands only boring moments over their 1973-83 period ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 18:20
Oh, sorry. I must have misunderstood. I agree that it's boring when it's just vocals and synth.
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: July 10 2015 at 19:03
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I prefer others in their discography to these two, but if I were to choose between these two it would probably be Ocean. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:13
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Oceans. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |