2nd Round Classics: Discipline v. Mirage
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Topic: 2nd Round Classics: Discipline v. Mirage
Posted By: micky
Subject: 2nd Round Classics: Discipline v. Mirage
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:24
now for the title match of todays polls... a true heavyweight match.
In this corner... we have Discipline by King Crimson.. and in the opposite corner... Mirage by.. umm.. ok give it rest.. Camel
can't decide... let these great reviews help you
for Discipline.. one of the most unique and funniest collabs ever to grace PA's. Even made me look normal and dull in comparison. The incomparable .. Peter Rideout
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1914" rel="nofollow - DISCIPLINE
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During the late 70s, popular music was undergoing rapid and massive
changes. Almost overnight, punk and "new wave" had crashed onto the
airwaves, and drop-kicked that god-awful disco back into the vacuous
abyss from which it had slithered. The dancing, prancing, preening
nose-candy crew, as well as many fans of classic "dinosaur" rock, may
have lamented the changes (many of the reviewers for this site still
express a sweeping disdain for "80s music," as if the output of that
decade were all "of a piece"), but I welcomed them. I had found disco to
be just about as interesting as watching paint dry, and was very glad
to see many new groups like XTC, Talking Heads, U2, Simple Minds, and
the Police displace the ubiquitous Lynyrd Skynyrd, and the Eagles'
"Hotel California." (A good enough song, but played WAY too often!) Some
old prog acts folded, unable to adapt to the altered climate, while
others tried to re-shape their sounds to fit the new musical mold --
with mixed, but generally unsatisfactory results. King Crimson guitarist
and helmsman Robert Fripp, never one to stick to formula, responded by
reforming and revitalizing his pioneering band, and releasing a trio of
fine new albums. DISCIPLINE, BEAT, and THREE OF A PERFECT PAIR took
Crimson to drastically new places, but 1981's DISCIPLINE, the first of
the lot, was the one that set the tone, and established a standard that
the next two would not quite equal. A very large part of
DISCIPLINE's success is down to the new lineup. Prog master
percussionist Bill Bruford had been lured back into the fold, ably
manning his new electronic kit and conventional drums in his practiced,
inimitable style. Fripp, on guitar and "devices," remained Fripp; as
ever exploring new territories on his axe. Yet it was the inclusion of
stalwart session bassist Tony Levin, and guitar "gee-whiz kid" Adrian
Belew to the crew, that would prove to be Fripp's brilliant ace in the
hole. Levin had already made himself known to progressive rock
fans on others' albums (notably, Peter Gabriel's first three discs),
where his thunderous Chapman "stick" sound had provided a solid and
instantly identifiable underpinning. The stick, first popularized by
Levin, was a unique new instrument that allowed the bassist to perform
both bass and "lead" parts simultaneously. (I was lucky enough to see
him play the stick live with the "Yes in name only" Anderson, Bruford,
Wakeman and Howe, and was amazed by the instrument's versatility.
Obviously, much of what I had assumed was guitar on the 80s Crimson
albums, had been produced by Levin and the stick!) Vocalist and
second guitarist Adrian Belew -- already established as a force to be
reckoned with through his work with Zappa, Bowie, and Talking Heads,
among others -- now brought his trademark synth axe, and feedback-laden,
careening sound to the new incarnation of Crimson. (According to Fripp,
the virtuoso American guitarist had been recruited "for the pop
element.") As an added bonus, Belew's impassioned, David Byrne-esque
vocals, and smart, often whimsical lyrics imparted a new vitality,
engaging stage presence, and sense of humour to Crimson -- this band
could now do anything! Each of the seven tracks on DICIPLINE is a
winner. The instantly likeable album opener "Elephant Talk," with its
three-part, percussive stick and guitar riffs, clever, alliterative
lyrics, and Belew generated "elephant" wailings and shrieks, takes the
band to weird and wondrous new territory, and serves to loudly proclaim
"the old King (Crimson) is dead -- long live the King!" Next up,
"Frame by Frame" keeps the newly upbeat mood and frantic pace going --
this is one terrific song! Please, play it "loud and proud!" The
sensitively-sung "Matte Kudasai" is simply lovely, and here Fripp serves
up some of his tastiest licks since Crimson's vaunted early days. His
sustained, looping "Frippertronic" effects, as developed and
demonstrated on his ambient collaborations with Brian Eno, had now come
into their own, and finally found their proper setting. Beautiful! Track
four, "Indiscipline," is a dangerous, menacing masterpiece. Levin's
floor-shaking stick, Belew's paranoia-drenched vocals and lyrics (that
could well tell the tale of my time with Prog Archives -- wink wink) and
accomplished use of feedback, coupled with Bruford's frantic, insistent
drumming, and Fripp's screaming lead, come together in a song fully as
good as any the band have ever released. To quote the lyric, "I LIKE
IT!" Don't touch that dial (or volume knob!), because the best is
yet to come: "Thela Hun Ginjeet" is perhaps my favourite of a first-rate
set. The band is AMAZING here, and Belew's "true-life" narrative of his
scary encounter with members of a street gang, all set to a driving
"jungle" beat, is absorbing every time. Number six, the evocative
instrumental "The Sheltering Sky," reveals another new facet of Crimson.
This is one to listen to in the dark -- great stuff! Finally, the
appropriately-named title track is a masterful exercise in four-part
syncopation, as the drums, stick, and two guitars integrate perfectly in
a seamless, infectious whole, and bring this excellent album to a
lamentably early close -- would that there were seven more tracks! (Oh
well, BEAT and THREE OF A PERFECT PAIR were soon to follow....) DISCIPLINE
is an absolute masterpiece of 80s progressive rock. It resoundingly
demonstrated that the old bands could not only survive in the prevailing
musical climate, but flourish, and take the genre to new and wonderful
places. Essential!
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and for Mirage we have...a new forumite discovery for me since I've come back to the site. A man of passion and knowledge... and you know what.. a damn good reviewer as well. Madan!!!!!
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=328" rel="nofollow - MIRAGE
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Woohoo, the camel is in full gallop here! This was one of the first few prog rock albums I heard
and my first Camel album. Nothing else the band have done ever again made such a big impression on
me but my adoration of this fantastic album hasn't faded a whit since. Perhaps, an aptly titled
album, then? Nasty quips aside, I am quite fussy about originality in music. I don't demand something as
fundamental as a new tone system to replace the one Stockhausen proposed. But I do want to hear
bands present their thoughts, musically and lyrically (not so much), differently at some level. I
generally don't suffer the generic end of most music genres too gladly. So, owning up to my
unabashed love of Mirage is a bit of a self-goal! There's not much Camel do, broadly speaking, that you won't find on prog rock albums before. They
draw heavily from Caravan and the Canterbury scene as whole, dropping a very big hint about their
debt to Supersister. There's some King Crimson in the mix while Peter Bardens at times evokes Deep
Purple. They even manage to sound like - and it is like, indeed and not the other way round - those
magpies Renaissance. A passage in the middle of Lady Fantasy sounds like Ashes Are Burning but it
is quickly forgotten as Andrew Latimer resumes vocals. But I am not too worried about all that when Freefall kicks off the album to a flying start. From
that moment, it's literally a desert storm. Camel at all times sound graceful and capable of being
gentle and becalming while rocking really hard at other times to give the album some serious
momentum. You don't get much time to reflect on whether the track you just heard is really as good
as it appears to be because there's another and then yet another strong track waiting to be
digested. It's a simply flawless album all the way through. Not one track strikes a discordant or
inconsistent note nor do the proceedings ever get boring. To accomplish this last aspect, Camel also take you through some delightful twists and turns.
Latimer is at the very top of his guitar game, enchanting you with laidback, relaxed notes as sweet
as Santana and crushing you with power that reminds you of Blackmore or Iommi. Overall, the band
sound as if they are truly having a blast playing these songs. Note especially the solo Latimer
plays just after he has finished his first few vocal lines. That passage, as well as others in the
album, give the appearance of a jam-y hard rock workout and yet there are hardly an excessive
movements in the album. If anything, it is overall one of the more economical prog albums I have
heard. Camel also have one thing in spades that I have suggested was perhaps a bit undervalued in prog and
that is emotional resonance. It is hard not to be drawn into those wonderful passages of music that
hit you at several different points in the album. Mostly on account of Latimer's guitar but Bardens
has his moments too. Subsequently, they got a bit too complacent and gave up too much of their
rocking side for my liking but on Mirage their style is hard to fault and their execution just
superb. As I already said, this is an amazingly consistent album but I'd pick Lady Fantasy, Nimrodel and
Freefall as the high points. Five stars easily for a delightful prog masterpiece and one of the
best albums to initiate listeners into prog.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:26
Neither King Crimson can beat my love for Mirage
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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:29
Not my favourite of both groups, but I'll go with Discipline. I was hearing them too much these days.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:38
Discipline was courageous, visionary and creative, but I enjoy Mirage more.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:38
Tough choice - I love both equally - I'm thinking.......I can't pick one over the other....
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 08:54
Disco-plane
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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:09
Mirage.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:14
80's Crimson whilst good is not my favourite era but early Camel...
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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:01
Moogtron III wrote:
Discipline was courageous, visionary and creative, but I enjoy Mirage more. |
Ditto.
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:07
I generally enjoy KC more, but not in this match-up. Discipline is great, but c'mon, it's Mirage!
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:16
Discipline
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:18
I went with Mirage here.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:19
Micky, I feel honoured that you put up my review of Mirage for this poll. Let me also add that my vote went to Discipline.
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:42
KC all the way.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:46
Discipline is one of Crimson's finest moments. I like Camel, but it's by no means my favorite album of theirs.
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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:52
Once again, no thought required. Nothing by KC will ever make any of my top ten lists (band, album, song). I would have voted for any Camel album over any KC album in any poll.
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Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 12:44
Love both but I have to be in the mood for the KC so Mirage it is.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 14:37
rogerthat wrote:
Micky, I feel honoured that you put up my review of Mirage for this poll. Let me also add that my vote went to Discipline. |
my pleasure.. Great review.
want to vote for Camel... I do enjoy Mirage more.. yet something just makes me hesitate actually voting for it. Self respect perhaps...
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 15:10
Mirage is a nice album and Discipline is only my 6th or 7th favorite Crimson but its still better than Mirage
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 15:25
Discipline, would have to be one hell of a match up to get me to vote for Camel.
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 15:34
TeleStrat wrote:
Once again, no thought required.Nothing by KC will ever make any of my top ten lists (band, album, song). I would have voted for any Camel album over any KC album in any poll. |
Absolutely. Except for The Single Factor.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:10
Discipline can win against most albums for me. This is no exception.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:13
Discipline.
To this day Mirage leaves me cold.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:26
Wow, another tough one. Discipline.
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Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:51
Mirage!
I mean, come on; SUPERTWISTER!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:53
Lady Fantasy man!!! It rules! It rawks
*btw this is Raff on Micky's account hahahah*
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 19:17
Discipline
The more I listen to it, the more I like it.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 19:21
Imperial Zeppelin wrote:
Discipline
The more I listen to it, the more I like it. |
I do think it's good.
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Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 21:38
Crimson every time, but Mirage is great.
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Posted By: aliano
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 01:40
Mirage.One of the most sublime albums of Prog.
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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 07:10
Mirage easily
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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 17:32
Both good; went with Discipline
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 17:55
go Mirage go!!!
I don't want you to win..I just don't want to have to vote for you and have to sleep on the couch!
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 18:00
micky wrote:
go Mirage go!!!
I don't want you to win..I just don't want to have to vote for you and have to sleep on the couch!
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The couch would be too good for you. Destroying all the stores of cheese, Triscuits, chocolate and beer might do for starters. After years of hearing about "effing Camel", this would be the ultimate insult.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 18:01
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 18:04
wait... my Triscuits... NO!!!! Not those..ok.. you know where to hit a man where it hurts. I yield
Go.. ..arrgg.. go discipline
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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 18:28
Yet again a couple of albums that I havn't listened to in a long long while until these polls made their unreasonable demands. In all probability will be a long time before I do so again but I have to admit I'm enjoying Mirage.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 18:38
Discipline for me.
I mean - i'm a Camel fan. But that King Crimson record is out of this world. I LOVE Belew.
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 20:45
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 21:16
Mirage, easily, for me, I really love this album. Actually, the only King Crimson album that might beat it for me would be In The Court of the Crimson King.
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 21:34
Mirage.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 22:07
hahah..
strategic vote for.. Discipline.
Don't want to be sleeping the couch.. or have my beer and triscuits thrown out the window.. not to mention have Uncle Ian freeze me out of great suggestions.
Sorry Mirage. shame such a great album as that was tainted by your association to f**king Camel.
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Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 05:26
I saw Camel live last week and they blew me away, much as I respect KC's album. So, no contest!
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 10:32
Dayumn, Mirage is pounding Discipline.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 11:16
Camel the great underdog! or is it undercamel?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 21:09
Seriously people?
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 21:16
don't blame me...
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 23:05
Mirage. One of the only times I'd vote against KC.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 00:32
micky wrote:
hahah..
strategic vote for.. Discipline.
Don't want to be sleeping the couch.. or have my beer and triscuits thrown out the window.. not to mention have Uncle Ian freeze me out of great suggestions.
Sorry Mirage. shame such a great album as that was tainted by your association to f**king Camel.
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I don't like King Crimson (Except ITCOTCK and Starless), but at least Discipline doesn't work as a valium tablet.
CAMEL = ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
The only CAMEL album that would get a vote from me could be Moonmadness if compared to a weak album
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Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 02:33
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Seriously people? |
My thoughts exactly.
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Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 02:55
Posted By: Terakonin
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 05:48
Discipline. Fantastic album.
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 06:38
Relistening verdict - Mirage is definitely *the* classic Latimer-Ward-Ferguson-Bardens lineup album, a commended three stars for me; some absolutely gorgeous guitar work in places and bonus points for cheesiest-fantasy-lyrics-in-a-prog-song-ever narrowly pipping Rush's The Necromancer.
I think when I started listening to Discipline it was the loud bits that were the highlights but now it's the beautiful quiet sections - The Sheltering Sky, Matte Kudasai, that solo a little into Elephant Talk, the stick work at the start of Discipline. Extraordinary album with a really unique vocabulary. Getting my vote.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 07:24
Mirage is a great album - apart from the vocals imo...
I'll give the vote to Discipline, but it's fairly tight. KC were arguably past their best and Camel were approaching their peak...
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 09:49
Discipline...really interesting funky stuff. Mirage is good too, but not quite as cool.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 18:19
bah....
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 04:03
Mirage. I have never understood the massive doting on Discipline.
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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 13:37
This one just hurts. i don't think i can vote.
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 18:35
Discipline!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 18:43
come on Discipline!!!
come on folks.. Micky is in the doghouse because of this. She blames me, even though I did vote for Discipline, for not being adament enough and hating on the Camel. Hey I like Mirage.. it is a good rockin' prog album.. but hey.. King Crimson is King Crimson.. many things they may be.. but you can not call them 4th division generic prog. Where is the love of the adventurous.. that progressive spirit!!
*how was that darling.. can I sleep in our bed tonight.. PLEASE!! *
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 18:44
maybe I haven't done enough McLeg...
Go Discipline.. GO!!
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 19:28
Discipline is so much better
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 19:32
it doesn't rock like Mirage.. but hey it is creative on high... you can dance to it.. and most importantly the Wart runs circles vocally around the worst vocalist ever to sing for a 4th division prog band
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 03:26
Go Mirage .
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Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 09:49
Mirage because it is Camel's masterpiece and rich in moods and emotions, while Discipline is rather cold and technical, though it's a good album in its own way.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 11:00
^ Vice versa for me (although Mirage is not a technical endeavor).
micky wrote:
it doesn't rock like Mirage | Please. Mirage sounds like it tries to rock, and trying to rock is easy to do. It's got nothing on "Thela Hun Ginjeet" and "Frame By Frame".
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Posted By: Varon
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 11:01
Horizons wrote:
Discipline is so much better
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 13:21
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 13:22
Varon wrote:
Horizons wrote:
Discipline is so much better
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This |
and that
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 15:25
I'm amazed that took almost a week. I mean it's f**king Camel!
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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 19:29
I wasn't sure of my vote until I saw Discipline behind in the poll. So, here's another vote for Discipline.
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 19:30
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ Vice versa for me (although Mirage is not a technical endeavor).
micky wrote:
it doesn't rock like Mirage | Please. Mirage sounds like it tries to rock, and trying to rock is easy to do. It's got nothing on "Thela Hun Ginjeet" and "Frame By Frame".
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Yeah, I can only marvel at how infectious Discipline is. And full of energy too. Farthest thing from cold imo, a description that would fit some other KC albums.
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 20:41
KC
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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 22:38
Camel, Mirage.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 19:19
sleeper wrote:
I'm amazed that took almost a week. I mean it's f**king Camel!
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I know I know..I was weak and I was almost seduced by the dark side...
don't worry though.. my near corruption into mindless prog fan was not that far advanced.
I'd have voted for a Celine Dion or Neal Morse album before I even considered voting for a SWilson album
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 19:30
going with the Crimson King on this one!!
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 08:15
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Seriously people? |
Yes, very seriously.
Camel are a far better band than KC. In every respect.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 08:22
Hercules wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Seriously people? |
Yes, very seriously.
Camel are a far better band than KC. In every respect. |
They're better at providing me with lullabies, that much is sure.
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Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 08:42
Hercules wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Seriously people? |
Yes, very seriously.
Camel are a far better band than KC. In every respect. |
*laughs hysterically, takes a deep breath and laughs some more*
Thanks, I needed that!!
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 08:54
Hercules wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Seriously people? |
Yes, very seriously.
Camel are a far better band than KC. In every respect. |
Hey Hercules no issue, we're pretty much diametrically opposed on musical choices, I love seeing your posts I can pretty much predict exactly where we'll stand.
I like Camel a lot, they have three great albums but don't I don't find much else that moves me much. On the other hand I have upwards of 30 Crimson albums and love them all. I find them a much more talented, interesting, moving & experimental band, but hell that's just me.
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Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 09:56
Yeah, different tastes n'at. The only Camel albums I could grok were Mirage, Camel, Snow Goose, and Moonmadness, more or less in that order. After that, it gets a bit soft rock for me. Much prefer Crimson in just about every way imaginable, especially the guitars, vocals, drums ... Well, you get the idea! Still like Camel, though! Music is not an either or thing for me. Sometimes Mirage scratches an itch Crimso can't.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 18 2015 at 10:52
progrockdeepcuts wrote:
Sometimes Mirage scratches an itch Crimso can't. |
yeah.. even the dark side has its base appeals. Otherwise no one would ever be tempted....
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 19 2015 at 10:04
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Hercules wrote:
Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:
Seriously people? |
Yes, very seriously.
Camel are a far better band than KC. In every respect. |
Hey Hercules no issue, we're pretty much diametrically opposed on musical choices, I love seeing your posts I can pretty much predict exactly where we'll stand.
I like Camel a lot, they have three great albums but don't I don't find much else that moves me much. On the other hand I have upwards of 30 Crimson albums and love them all. I find them a much more talented, interesting, moving & experimental band, but hell that's just me. |
It's all down to personal taste.
Camel hit every button which is needed to comprise great music for me. Melody, emotion, great musicianship and sufficient musical complexity without ever descending into self indulgence. They've been my favourite band since 1975 (when I first heard The Snow Goose) and only IQ have ever come near to deposing them.
A appreciate that what KC do is very clever and often innovative, but I don't enjoy listening to most of it.
We're each entirely entitled to have our own opinions and differ amicably.
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 19 2015 at 10:24
Five hreat albums, please. The fitst and Rajaz
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 19 2015 at 10:29
^ Was that a reply to a particular user?
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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 19 2015 at 10:47
Presumably me, I rate Moonmadness, Snow Goose & Mirage above the rest of their catalog. I like the debut but not up with the next 3.
------------- Ian
Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com
https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/
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