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Topic: 2nd Round Classics: PG3 v. Phaedra
Posted By: micky
Subject: 2nd Round Classics: PG3 v. Phaedra
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:37
this one could be interesting.. or not .. interesting to see which way this one turns


For Gabriel.  The man who fired me from the Neo Prog team.  That took balls man LOL ROBERT!!!!!


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5 stars Peter Gabriel left Genesis following the massive album The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway to pursue a solo career. His first two solo albums were a mixture of pop and moderately progressive rock. His third one was his first album to be released in the 80s, and it's one of his darkest albums ever. Featuring a wide array of all-star musicians, from Phil Collins to Robert Fripp, this album is a stunning timepiece that really could have only been done by Peter Gabriel at that time. The musicianship on this album varies from dissonant chords to melodic saxophone solos. One word can be derived from this album, breathtaking.

Beginning with the unsettling chords of Intruder (which really has the Fripp vibe circa Larks Tongue in Aspic), the steady drumming and the amalgamation of the surrounding voices and instruments (especially this shrieking guitar noise in the background) gives this song a very uneasy feeling. Gabriel's vocal is very sullen and quiet, but in moments he really shines with an unsettling cry (and some whistling at the end). No Self Control follows with very groovy vibes and tuned percussion, as well as a very sparse and claustrophobic guitar in the background. Gabriel's vocal here is bitter and sullen. The chorus is where the song becomes more involving. The guitar is a real treat here with some meaty chords. The drumming on this track is also superb.

Start is a short instrumental with a nice saxophone solo from Dick Morrissey, and some nice synthesizers from Gabriel and Larry Fast. It's a nice little interlude between No Self Control and I Don't Remember. This song has some strong synthesizers and a nice beat to it. Tony Levin is a star on this track with a great stick line that gives the song a great groove. Family Snapshot begins with some somber piano and some emotional vocals from Gabriel. The background saxophone creates a more intense atmosphere as Gabriel whales and sings his heart out as the song becomes progressively more intense. Add a great bass line and some great guitars and you have one of the best songs on the album.

And Through the Wire has some nice crying from Gabriel and some very steady drumming and bass guitars. The lyrics for this song are also among the best of the album. Peter really knows how to arrange songs as this song has brilliant quiet sections and uplifting loud sections. Games without Frontiers was the hit single from this album, and I can see why. Some great percussion and guitar lines mold nicely with the restrained drums and the very consistent bass line. The whistling ushers in the chorus, which has a menacing feel to it. Gabriel's vocals on this track are also very strong. Not One of Us begins with some great chord progressions from the guitars, and then the snare drum brings in the rest of the band. Once again Levin provides a groovy stick line that takes the song into many different avenues.

Lead a Normal Life begins with some nice percussion and a melodic piano theme, but once the synthesizers and guitars kick in, the song takes a more disturbing turn. The alternating musical themes in the song really make it a unique one on the album. This mostly instrumental track is one of my favorites on the album. And finally, Biko ends the album with an inspiring Gabriel vocal. His rough vocal on this track is complimented by a nice choir and some tribal percussion. The dissonant guitar in the background helps create a tense atmosphere and it really ends the album well.

Overall, 3 is one of Peter Gabriel's most experimental albums. The "no cymbal" idea works well and allows the other instruments to breathe in the more hectic sections. This album is also great because of its quirky instrumentation and the song arrangements give it a very Talking Heads "new wave" feel. It may be one of the best Peter Gabriel albums to date, and he only went back to this type of sound for his next album, Security. All of the songs are strong and I can find no weakness on this album. Masterpiece. 5/5.



and in Phaedra's corner... one of my favorites.. Alex!!! great review man.

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4.14 | 579 ratings

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5 stars One of the finest electronic albums ever made and an album that defined history. That cannot be said about many albums of their respective genres, let alone a genre that is often misunderstood: progressive electronic. No other group has pioneered more in the realms of that genre arguably than Tangerine Dream, particularly in their Virgin years, and this album is possibly their most historically groundbreaking.

1. Phaedra: 17 minutes of sheer spooky, mellotron and keyboard-driven insanity. This is near impossible to describe, the sonic textures flowing from sound to sound right in your ears. This is perfect music for studying, relaxing, or meditating! I often like to play this album, and particularly this track, during the winter in the evenings. It is incredibly expressive and this track is simply a journey from beginning to end into a world that Froese and the crew construct for you. Never unexciting! 10/10

2. Mysterious Semblance at the Strand of Nightmares: Yes, the title says it all. I might even like this song more than the previous title track; and I want it to be played at my funeral. It is perhaps one of the most eerie, beautiful songs I've ever heard in my entire life. This song features even more emotionally-played mellotron than the title track. This is the epitome of head music, a whole world opening up inside of your head as you hear it. This track makes the album a masterpiece alone. You simply have to hear it. Definitely in my top 5 favorite songs of all time. 10+/10

3. Moments of a Visionary: How can you top the previous track? Well, you really can't, but this song does a pretty decent job of following. In contrast to the all-encompassing blanket of warmth that is Semblance, this song starts off immediately as being more distant. It then builds perfectly into an icy journey (or so that's how I vision it) and is another very effective, mood/head song. Very effective, but barely misses the mark of absolute perfection. 9/10

4. Sequent C: A very haunting way to end the album, and also very short. However, it is just as effective as the previous 3, continuing the atmosphere laid out through the entire album yet being as memorable as the ones that came before it. The meticulous and well-written craftsmanship of these songs is amazing, and this is no exception. 9/10

If you think you know everything about music and haven't heard this, get it. However, if you're looking for a certain sound and don't have an open mind, you may not like it, as this music is nothing like Yes, jazz fusion, or prog metal. Of course, if you've read all of this review in this particular sub-genre by this artist, then you must be interested. So there are no exceptions. Buy it now. You won't regret it.

A masterpiece of progressive rock. 10/10




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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:42
Tried to vote Phaedra. Damn, I gotta do this again too.


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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:44
Phaedra probably the most listenable and one of the best TD albums, but Peter Gabriel is genius and I've heard that album countless times.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 09:59
Peter Gabriel my muse!


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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:08
whoa, wait...it says I have already voted in this poll yet doesn't show my vote for Phaedra. If I ever go insane it will be because of the internet.


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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:15
Phaedra, no contest.

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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:44
The Intruder

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 10:44
Phaedra, but not by much.

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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 11:10
Neither of the two would fit into the top 10 of my tastes, although I enjoy them both.
 I guess I'll go with Gabriel. No, Tangerine Dream. No, Gabriel. No, Tangerine Dream (leaves room to get coin. Heads it's PG, tails it's TD ... and the toss ... and the winner is ... HEADS!!!)
 Oh, I think I'll vote for Peter Gabriel.


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Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 12:04
Phaedra for me.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 12:05
Pee Gee Three
TD is still a closed door for me.


Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 12:19
Never been into either that much so no vote unless I decide to YouTube both of them later.



Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 12:25
Phaedra by a mile for me.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 14:52
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

whoa, wait...it says I have already voted in this poll yet doesn't show my vote for Phaedra. If I ever go insane it will be because of the internet.


LOLClap

if the vote is needed.. it will be counted. This is the last one I'm voting for today. I'll catch the rest later to make sure they get counted. 


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 14:54
Phaedra for me btw.   I may not like much electronica.. but this one sort of is on a higher plane and transcends it. 


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 14:56
PG3 is a nice enough album but Phaedra is transcendental

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:10
Tough ... and unfair. One is a rock record, the other is an electronic music record.

PGIII ... because it needs more votes.


Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:26
Phaedra is a very good TD album but not among my favorites from them whereas PG3 is one of my favorites from that august artist.  Melt it is.

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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:27
PG.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 18:32
go Phaedra go!!!!




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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: July 11 2015 at 20:13
Phaedra, easy one for me.

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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 02:04
Oh cruel cruel world. Adore them both. PG3 has to be his best. It is for me anyway. Then again Phaedra is up there with (in my humble and probably dodgy opinion) the very best of TD and the very best of any piece of electro gloriousness. Have to go PG3, though I wish I didn't have to choose.


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 07:16
Phaedra Heart


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 07:19
Give me a P... give a H.. give a A...give me a E..give me a D...give me a R.. give me a A..

what does that spell...

PHAEDRA!!!! Heart





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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 07:39
Micky the cheerleader LOL


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 07:40
I do have the legs and ass for it Wink though my tits have started sagging Disapprove


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 07:44
LOL


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 14:31
I hate both



Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 14:32
...

not the tits obviously


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 14:33
what!!!!!??  NO!!!  Say it is not so Andrea.. how could you hate Phaedra..it is impossible to do... that is like hating me. CryLOL


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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 14:39
Don't know. .. i like the instruments they play not what they play with them eheheh

oh and i like the band's name a lot


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 14:41
that should be good enough then for a vote if you don't like either Wink

Go Phaedra go!!!  LOL




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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 18:36
Gabriel for me. 

Cool


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 20:47
Phaedra

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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: July 12 2015 at 23:19
Tangerine Dream :D

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Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 05:52
Mr. Gabriel.


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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 07:13
Peter Gabriel

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 13:26
Phaedra


Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 14:06
If I could, I would vote for PG3 because Family Snapshot is a masterpiece of conflictive emotions poured into music. It is by far my favourite song on the album.

Phaedra is not a weak album but it's not my favourite from Tangerine Dream and I must admit I get bored sometimes by their music, though I like it in general.


Posted By: tdfloyd
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 15:41
Phaedra, now if you said PG4 that would have been a tougher choice


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 17:20
Originally posted by Skalla-Grim Skalla-Grim wrote:

If I could, I would vote for PG3 because Family Snapshot is a masterpiece of conflictive emotions poured into music. It is by far my favourite song on the album.

Phaedra is not a weak album but it's not my favourite from Tangerine Dream and I must admit I get bored sometimes by their music, though I like it in general.



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 22:32
Go Phaedra go!!! 




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Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 22:53
i voted for PG3.


Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 13 2015 at 23:00
PG3.

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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 10:10
PG3. Both are great, so I had no choice but to go with the unfair "PG3 was a part of my growing up experience" angle. 


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 10:13
I did not think this would be so close and had neglected to vote.  Now cast my vote for PG3 so that it has a bit of a lead over Phaedra.  


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 18:19
bah...

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Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: July 14 2015 at 20:29
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

bah...

bah indeed

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 03:51
CryAngry


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 03:54
I give the edge to TD.

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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 14:00
PG3

No doubt


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 15 2015 at 15:37
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

PG3

No doubt


bah...


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 14:04
bah...


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 14:13
I'll see your bah.. and raise you a..

damn surprised to see it this close this late into the game...Clap  It shouldn't be close of course, but we know PA's... popularity over quality is PA's motto!! Thumbs UpThe generic over the trail blazersThumbs UpThumbs Up


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 14:18
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I did not think this would be so close and had neglected to vote.  Now cast my vote for Phaedra so that PG3 has a bit less of a lead over it.  


Wink


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 14:21
hmmm.. I know Raff has a vote (nearly all of them) still out there.  I wonder how she'll vote. She loves PG.. but perhaps I can convince her a K.C. - T.D. vote swap. Of course I've already done my part.. now it is up to her LOL


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 17:09
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

I did not think this would be so close and had neglected to vote.  Now cast my vote for Phaedra so that PG3 has a bit less of a lead over it.  


Wink
LOL


Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 17:49
Love em both, but lets give PG the edge here

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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 19:04
Yay !!


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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 19:19
This is such an apples and oranges comparison! I voted for PG3 because it was a milestone in showing that Prog does not necessarily equal inaccessible music (not that there's anything wrong with inaccessible music).


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 20:39
TD

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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 16 2015 at 22:35

Peter Gabriel 3 Melt.



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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 08:29
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

I'll see your bah.. and raise you a..

damn surprised to see it this close this late into the game...Clap  It shouldn't be close of course, but we know PA's... popularity over quality is PA's motto!! Thumbs UpThe generic over the trail blazersThumbs UpThumbs Up

Oh c'mon, I know you have a selective deafness for all things Genesis-related but Phaedra really does not have any sort of clear quality edge over PG 3. Much as Biko is a bit wretchedly overwrought, there's a hell of a lot of trail being blazed on this one. Phaedra's a fine album, not as biting as Rubycon and not doing as much stuff as dynamically as PG 3, though.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 09:55
Besides which Melt is nothing like Genesis.  It's the very antithesis of Genesis  - abrasive, hard and not very melodic on the whole.  Brilliant album.


Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 17 2015 at 22:44
Just a reminder that my vote didn't change the count. I tried to vote for Phaedra but it probably doesn't matter at this point.


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