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Topic: 2nd Round Classics: Western Culture v. Drama
Posted By: micky
Subject: 2nd Round Classics: Western Culture v. Drama
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 07:45
next up.. a battle of English heavyweights from the complete opposite ends of the musical universe

Henry Cow!!!

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3061" rel="nofollow">Henry Cow - Western Culture  CD (album) cover

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3061" rel="nofollow - WESTERN CULTURE

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=608" rel="nofollow - Henry Cow

 

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5 stars Western Culture was Henry Cow's farewell album, recorded after a protracted break during which they had become independent from Virgin Records, Chris Cutler had laid the foundations for what were to become Rock In Opposition and Recommended Records and they'd already decided to split. Much of the material which was to become the first Art Bears album had already been recorded before the band decided that the material wasn't 'Henry Cow', although the closing track 'Half The Sky' came from these sessions. With all this turmoil it's surprising that an album was made at all, and in a way it's ironic that this least showbizzy of bands should have followed the old showbiz maxim 'save the best till last'.

Western Culture is Henry Cow's most coherent album - the only one to feature only composed pieces, the only purely instumental album and the album on which Lindsay Cooper emerged as a talented composer in her own right, as well as a great musician. In creative terms, the album is a 50/50 split between Tim Hodgkinson, who wrote tracks 1 - 3 (side 1 of the vinyl original) and Lindsay Cooper (who wrote or co-wrote the remainder).

Hodgkinson's pieces on side 1 really blend into a seamless whole - brass and reeds play a prominent part here, with relatively little electric guitar but with acoustic guitar featuring prominently for the first time on a Henry Cow album. Special mention should be made of guest musician Anne Marie Roelofs, a Dutch musician who had played with them on stage, and who added some warm, blurry trombone lines to complement Cooper's bassoon - her playing is particularly effective on 'Industry' and 'The Decay Of Cities'. These compositions are a continuation of the compositional style first heard on 'Living In The Heart Of The Beast', with more of a jazz element (perhaps as a result of HC's work with the Mike Westbrook Orchestra and the Art Ensemble Of Chicago). They evoke a decaying urban landscape, with the closing piece 'On The Raft' giving a more optimistic tone with huge brass/reed chords played over a lazy tempo, the whole never quite settling into the comfortable orthodoxy that seems to be promised.

Lindsay Cooper's compositions are a more diverse selection, drawing on contemporary classical and avant garde influences. 'Falling Away' is probably the track that is closest to the avant rock style normally associated with Henry Cow. 'Gretel's Tale' features an astonishing piano contribution by Irene Schweizer, almost like John Cage plying free jazz. 'Half The Sky' takes its title from a famous quotation from Chairman Mao, also cited by John Lennon on 'Woman' a couple of years later - appropriate for a musician who would go on to be a key player in the Feminis Improvising Group.

The key players in Henry Cow continued to work together in various configurations over the years, and released a lot of fine music and exerted a massive influence on the more left field aspects of progressive rock. Odd tracks have since emerged on compilations, but there have been no reunion tours and no 'greatest hits'. Their final press release said that they would not be trapped into reproducing their past in order to secure their future, and they have been as good as thir word. Western Culture is a fitting end to a remarkable career, and is an essential album of its genre.

and against them.. some group called YES!!!  and yes.. a VASTLY underrated albumLOL

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1833" rel="nofollow">Yes - Drama CD (album) cover

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=1833" rel="nofollow - DRAMA

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=105" rel="nofollow - Yes

 

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5 stars Not only did Rick Wakeman leave Yes in 1979, but so did their lead singer Jon Anderson. Chris Squire recruited vocalist Trevor Horn and keyboardist Geoff Downes from the new wave band The Buggles to replace them. The Buggles? Yep, that's right. And what is so surprising about it, is that this new lineup's 1980 release of Drama was the most progressive output the band had made since Relayer. But it's not as surprising as one might think. True, the Buggles were into making that synthesized new wave music that became popular in the early 1980s, but both Downes and Horn were long-standing fans of Yes.

Drama is vastly underrated. I repeat, VASTLY underrated. Going for the One saw Yes move away from their three-songs-an-album days, and Tormato saw their transformation into mediocrity. Yes, there was some good material on those two albums, but much of it was uninspired. Drama is more or less a mix of the best of those two albums and their classic period. Clearly Downes and Horn breathed some fresh new air into a group that was deep in the doldrums.

Squire's bass playing on this album is phenomenal, on par with his work on Relayer. Steve Howe's guitar work on this is also fantastic and complements Geoff Downes on the keys. The production on this album is also significantly better than the previous two and that may have been a result of bringing Eddie Offord back as a co-producer.

Trevor Horn's voice takes a little getting used to, especially after hearing Jon Anderson's voice since the band's first album in 1969. Horn can't compare to Anderson. But if you let his voice sink in after awhile, you'll find he's quite competent at singing this style of music. His voice is actually quite similar in tone to Chris Squire's voice.

Unfortunately, this was the last incarnation of this new lineup and Yes would split up in 1981 with Downes and Howe joining Asia, Horn pursuing music production, and Squire and White pursuing other projects (like the XYZ project with Jimmy Page). As I said before, this one is often overlooked and is a vastly underrated gem. A masterpiece to my ears and the last real prog rock we would hear from Yes for quite some time. Five stars.




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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:02
Moo

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Magma America Great Make Again


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:45
I am a fan of that Yes album but I gotta go with the Cow.

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:24
Easily Western Culture.

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:32
Well... look at my profile photo... LOL

Henry Cow changed the way I see music, I still cant put it in words.


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:32
Western Culture


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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:39
The Cow

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 11:12
huge fan of Drama.. but in a few years I have from distaining the Cow (the whole RIO scene actually). to being curious.. to appreciating.. to really liking.

in a few more.. I might really come to love them.

sitting on the vote..  going to give this album a few more spins this week.


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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 15:07
Henry Cow


Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 16:19
Drama


Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 18:55
Drama by far. The most under-rated Yes album. Brilliant IMO.

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Posted By: TornadoTongue
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 19:04
Drama.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 20:04
Now this poll is pushin' it.
I love both equally, listen to both equally. I just can't choose one over the other.


Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 04:32
Originally posted by Wanorak Wanorak wrote:

Drama by far. The most under-rated Yes album. Brilliant IMO.

Precisely, and my vote, as well!

"I asked my love to give me sheh-eh-eh-eh-el-ter..." Tongue


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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 10:03
Western Culture


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 10:05
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Moo


Moo two



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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 10:35
alrighty... the first of a good number of weekly spins of Western Culture underway... love Drama. Rate it with the best (though different obviously) that Yes ever did...  but the vote is there to be taken.


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Posted By: Wicket
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 10:51
My contemporary percussionist ear says Cow. My feeble, catchy song driving playlist ear votes Yes.

Lets just give a half a vote to each and call it a day. Deal?


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Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 10:53
Yes easily


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 11:11
hmmm...  no need to wait. More listens aren't changing this. Perhaps it was inevitable but open hearts.. open minds. I'm trying really hard Ringo.. trying really hard to be the rightious avant fan.

Perhaps these albums will meet again in 10 years and perhaps by then Auntie Raff and Uncle Ian will have fully converted me. I'm only on the path to RIO-Avant enlightenment... for now.. give me my ear candy. I still need it.

Howe's furious guitar runs, Squires kickin' bass lines, and the reminder it wasn't Anderson that was the voice of Yes.. it was the vocal harmonies.

Drama it is.


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 11:19
Moo easily, top 10 album for me.

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 11:44
Western Culture. Not a fan of Drama at all. 

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 04:49
Western Culture

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 06:08
This is a pretty surprising development. The Cow in the lead?.......against a Yes offering
Holy smokes!


Now let's see how long that lasts



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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams


Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 06:14
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

This is a pretty surprising development. The Cow in the lead?.......against a Yes offering
Holy smokes!


Now let's see how long that lasts



Last week Mr. Bungle kicked Dream Theater's arse so this is just more evidence that the PA's a-changin'.


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 07:39
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

This is a pretty surprising development. The Cow in the lead?.......against a Yes offering
Holy smokes!


Now let's see how long that lasts



Last week Mr. Bungle kicked Dream Theater's arse so this is just more evidence that the PA's a-changin'.

That is quite a change. My guess as to why this has happened has to do with a worldwide drink-spiking conspiracy. Folks who used to listen to the likes of Renaissance's Camera Camera and Suonare Suonare by PFM are now feasting on Faust and The Taj Mahal Travellers.
Good times.




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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”

- Douglas Adams


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 15:47
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

This is a pretty surprising development. The Cow in the lead?.......against a Yes offering
Holy smokes!


Now let's see how long that lasts



Last week Mr. Bungle kicked Dream Theater's arse so this is just more evidence that the PA's a-changin'.


in 10 years this site will be a Rio-Avant hang-out... mark my words.  We will have successfully put SWilson out of his misery.. thus his fans move on ... and the forum will be ours again.  Then again.. we did exterminate DT and their fanclub..  we will eventually do the same to SWilson and his fans.. but who will be the next 'flavor of the month'  hmmm...  at some point Prog will die off.. and along with them 'prog fan'.. then we can get to business on the edgy interesting.. .progressive.. music out there.

Perhaps in 10 years the forum will be overrun with Alec K. Redfearn fans!!! LOL




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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 17:03
Yes for me....Henry Cow....never quite got away with them.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 17:06
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


in 10 years this site will be a Rio-Avant hang-out... mark my words.  We will have successfully put SWilson out of his misery.. thus his fans move on ... and the forum will be ours again. 



And we'll dance in their graves! MUAHAHAHAHAH

By the way: go Cow.


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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 18:08
Cow is musicians music. Its for those souls with the ability to listen to this and really get into it, yes, but essentially its for the players themselves. I'm afraid that for me its just a bit too hard to get my old fart's ears around anymore. Guess I've gotten older and fatter and lazier, well at least my ears have. Of course it will still be played in ten years time but to the same souls who would probably claim that Keith Jarret has become overly commercial. Smile  

Drama is for me about the only post CTTE (or maybe Relayer) Yes album that I even vaguely enjoy but then again I really liked the Buggles. It was such a gloriously cynical effort, particularly Age of Plastic.  Drama feels much the same to me. Prog rock by numbers. Saved only by the ability of the members to put two and two together in a very appealing manner. Quite the foot tapper really but it is well played and sung though at the end of the day a tadge shallow.


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Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 22:10
I prefer Drama. In my opinion, it's one of Yes' most underrated records


Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 21:14

Yes, Drama.



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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 22:37
Now, 24 Drama, 23 Henry Cow... I smell a tie until Saturday.

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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 09:48
Going with the COW on this one.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 10:00
GO COW, GO COW, GO COW!


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 15:15
Big Yes fan, even big Buggles fan (how 'bout that, y'all ) but Drama is, although very good, not one of my top favorite albums.
The Cow album is something very special, so ride 'em in mooooove 'em out with that cow. Vote for Henry.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 20:31
Henry Cow


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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 08:25
GO COW, GO COW, GO COW!

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 08:31
^ Don't make such a drama LOL


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 16:02
Yes.. don't have a cow man..


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 06:53
ahhh.. this is PA's... so have a cow!!!

1 hour to close.. get those votes in!!


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 07:03
Love Drama, but - as the High Priestess of ZART - I have to go with MooWink.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 07:31
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Love Drama, but - as the High Priestess of ZART - I have to go with MooWink.

Oh yes, if even I, a simple acolyte from the crossover department, voted for Cow, well... 
LOL



Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 08:42
And Yes are out to the Cow!! Woo!

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 08:55
YAAAAAAAYYYY!!!!

GO COW!


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 10:05
This poll was like a rodeo LOL


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 10:28
RIO = Rodeo in Oposition


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Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 11:07
Henry Cow - the most innovative prog group of them all!


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 13:12
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

RIO = Rodeo in Oposition

LOL


Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 13:17
Drama is a great album, nuch better than it's two predecessors, I can't understand Henry Cow

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 13:25
Not even this one? I almost cried the first time I heard it. Seriously.


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 13:39
When listening to Henry Cow I can't help but think that somebody thought that it was a good idea to record an orchestra while the individual members were warming up on stage prior to the actual performance. 


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 13:50
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

When listening to Henry Cow I can't help but think that somebody thought that it was a good idea to record an orchestra while the individual members were warming up on stage prior to the actual performance. 

LOLLOL

That's actually not a bad description ScottClap
I still dig the hell out of them.




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- Douglas Adams


Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: August 03 2015 at 07:23
They actually use that effect on 'Beginning: The Long March'!



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