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Topic: 2nd Round Cla: Voyage of the Acolyte v. Polite For
Posted By: micky
Subject: 2nd Round Cla: Voyage of the Acolyte v. Polite For
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 07:51
Next up.. two heavyweights.  Only one however can advance.  Will the better album.. or the more popular one do so. We shall see?

First up... Steve Hatchet!!!

and to review him.  One of favorite and missed collabs. TEO!!!!Clap

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4160" rel="nofollow">Steve Hackett - Voyage Of The Acolyte CD (album) cover

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=4160" rel="nofollow - VOYAGE OF THE ACOLYTE

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=782" rel="nofollow - Steve Hackett

 

Eclectic Prog

4.22 | 1020 ratings

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5 stars For some people, GENESIS really disappeared the moment that Steve Hackett left the band. In a way, it is true. Only partially. What died with Hackett's departure was symphonic-GENESIS, and the band still had a few good albums up their sleeves (especially the trio's first). But something good came out of all of that. Finally, the guitar-master was able to explore his art freely, to create whatever he wanted. And the results were truly magnificent. Curiously, one of Hackett's best (if not best) albums was recorded before he left GENESIS, his first masterpiece, the superb "Voyage of the Acolyte"

We have an album made of 8 tracks, all of at least better-than-good quality. As always with Hackett, we have a big array of styles and influences, even though it's safe to say that he still owes a little bit of his sound to his (then)-main band. It's no secret also that probably this record's best tracks are, in my view, those two which feature GENESIS members alongside Hackett. So, hearing the style (still much more prog-rock-oriented and less world-music) and having in mind the collaboration of Collins and Rutherford, both factors would clearly affirm that the guitarist's own project was still not 100% his own. That, of course, is a totally invalid conclusion, and I'd say it's the other way around.

For what we have here is 100% Steve Hackett, exactly because a big part of GENESIS' beautiful music was due to Hackett's wonderful playing. If one ever wonders what was lost in the band's music after "Wind and Wuthering" (I would say after "And then there were three", an album were the trio still managed to pull a prog masterpiece), it was the atmospheric style, that sound that evoked something beyond the music. What GENESIS lacked from "Duke" onwards was, simply put, magic, the kind of magic that their guitarist was able to provide in enormous, immeasurable quantities (and, mostly, quality).

Steve Hackett has never been a guitarist that tries to show off his skills. We will rarely hear him dazzling us with his speed or his mind-defying fingering. His technique is superb, even admired by classical music fans, but it's not in his fingers but in his mind, in his imagination where we will find the true high art. He manages to make the guitar sound like a keyboard, manages to make it cry, to make it laugh, to express things that can't be explained in words. De-wording music is actually making pure music, and Hackett achieves this constantly. He invented (or perfected, actually) techniques later falsely attributed to others, he played music thought impossible for rock musicians, but that's not what his art is about. His art is about sounds, about creating a canvas where his guitar's notes are the brushes and the colors at the same time. His art is about songwriting, for if there's any doubt that Hackett can craft a good track, it only takes a few listens to any of his albums to erase it.

Ace of Wands (8.5/10) The most energetic of the lot, is also probably the less atmospheric but at the same time the more virtuosic. But even in the midst of the convulsion the artist creates magic in a middle section that ascends to the stars. Excellent opener.

Hands of the Priestess - Part I (9.5/10) A beautiful opening reveals a flute that tries to bewitch us like that one that legend found in Hamelin. We will dearly follow its trail. Pure beauty. This is what prog music is all about. Short but memorable.

A tower Struck Down (8/10) A very haunting, menacing opening sends shivers down our spines. Terror lurks in the dark it would seem. Peace eludes us as the second section fills us with even more doubts and uncertainty. The scene has flames, little figures dancing around it, mental-illness, eyes like tornadoes. Very good track.

Hand of the Priestess - Part II (9/10) The amazing melody of Part I returns but this time it sounds more pastoral, with an oboe singing the tune in a joyous celebration of nature and prog-rock. Even shorter, but still outstanding.

The Hermit (9/10) The beginning is very sad, with vocals appearing for the first time, buried under three feet of reverb, coming from a distant place. It's Hackett, who never was a singer but always was (and is) an artist who knows where and how to use his voice. The flute appears again, with a little melancholic melody. The end of the track is pure instrumental bliss. Excellent.

Star of Sirius (9.5/10) My love for GENESIS shines through when, at the mere appearance of Phil Collins' voice, I smile. Of course, the majestic music underneath it is what really captures my emotions. Everything is pensive, atmospheric, surreal; a figure in keys appears which announces the arrival of the fast section, full of the same glorious relaxed-energy that only GENESIS or its guitarist could create. We get a repetition of both sections, and we long for more minutes when the track's 7 are finally over. Superb.

The Lovers (8/10) A quick interlude in acoustic guitar, this is very soft and acts as the perfect introduction for the magic that is about to unfold.

Shadow of the Hierophant (10/10) Mike Rutherford collaborates with Hackett in this track, and one can't deny the importance of his input. But in the end, it's the music that absolutely overwhelms us. When the female voice rises over the acoustic arpeggio, it's like an angel singing to us tales that we can't yet grasp because we've never been told to truly understand beauty. The tragic melody that strikes when the bass and drums come back feels like a dagger in our weakened hearts. The celestial creature sings again, but then we're brought back to our senses immediately before we can get lost in so much light. She appears once again, but for the third time she's stricken off the canvas. Suddenly Hackett starts playing around with his instrument, he taps the strings creating a whirlwind that ascends to a much brighter place. The music is happier now. Percussive vibes start announcing the arrival of the final part of the epic. First we get it at very low intensity. It grows until it explodes tenderly in our ears. And a superb song has ended, one of the best in all rock. The album fades.

There are no weak tracks and no boring moments. Maybe a couple songs could've been even better, but rarely do we get albums like that. This is a towering masterpiece that grows with me every time I hear it, like the legend that created it, arguably the greatest guitarist in all progressive-rock, and for my taste, in all that is rock.


and in the opposing corner!!!  Egg!!  One of my favorite modern collabs. Daryl!!! Clap Great guy.. awesome tastes.  Great review as well. Spot on about the album.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3502" rel="nofollow">Egg - The Polite Force CD (album) cover

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3502" rel="nofollow - THE POLITE FORCE

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=665" rel="nofollow - Egg

 

Canterbury Scene

4.08 | 287 ratings

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4 stars One of the best organ/bass/drums combos ever. Egg was a lot more classical sounding than almost any other Canterbury group. At times they sound like a darker and stranger version of The Nice. Dave Stewart is one of the best keyboardists in prog. Sometimes he has a sound that I like to call "heavy metal organ". Seriously, these guys can be as heavy as Sabbath...but without a guitar player!

"A Visit To Newport Hospital" may be the best song Egg ever did. It starts off with an almost metal type riff which comes back later. Some of the lyrics are about Uriel, which was this trio plus Steve Hillage who recorded an album under the name Arzachel. "Contrasong" is the only other song with vocals. It's a very upbeat jazzy rock'n'roll song. There are some horns, piano and a little bit of organ in addition to the vocals/bass/drums. "Boilk" is about as far as you could possibly get from "Contrasong". Very avant-garde piece. There is a much shorter song with the same name on the band's debut album. It begins with running water. Later there is what sounds like a classical music record that is varispeeded. There is backwards this and that all over the place. It ends with some church-like organ.

Egg had some of the craziest time signatures for a rock trio. Nowhere is this more noticeable than on "Long Piece No. 3"(especially Part 4). Part 2 is the most interesting of the four parts. Even though the whole 'piece' is one, it's individual sections are clearly separated. The sounds Stewart comes up with on his organ are unreal. Specifically his use of tone generator. He uses other effects on the organ too. In addition to bass, Mont Campbell plays French horn as well.

This is the best Egg album. The debut comes close. The 'reunion' album Civil Surface is good too, but not as good as the first two. Oddly enough, this would probably appeal more to Nice/ELP fans than it would to people who love Caravan. The only Canterbury that really comes close to sounding like this is early Soft Machine and the two Hatfield & The North albums. Only "Boilk" is what keeps me from giving this 5 stars. So 4 stars it is.






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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 08:07
EGG

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 08:32
I feel like chicken tonight....CHICKEN TONIGHT!!!

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:14
Thanks for using my review.Thumbs Up Voted Egg too.


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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:23
BOILK


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:42
Again, a gorgeous album pitted against a more challenging and imo interesting one.  In the spirit of prog, going with the latter.  Polite Force.  Oh, and also because I am a diehard Canterbury nut.


Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:27
Another close one for me, but I have to go with Hackett's solo debut. It's just a bit more interesting, IMO.

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:33
Again, not that I think that Voyage of the Acolyte is such a masterpiece, I guess it is a bit overrated, but I going with Steve Hackett.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:35
Polite Force all the way... though I wouldn't be unhappy.. and even looking forward to a potential match with the Squire album if (as expected) the Hatchet album moves on.


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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:37
Egg

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:38
Rotten eggs.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:38
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Thanks for using my review.Thumbs Up Voted Egg too.


Clap  I did enjoy that part of this stage of the process. Picking samples was fun... however going through all the reviews of these albums.. you really saw some great reviews that otherwise might have been lost in the shuffle. I really liked your review. Thumbs Up

I'm likely going to shift to this for the 3rd round of the moderns.. not sure what I'm going to do with the 3rd round of the classics. Stick with reviews, go back to samples.. or perhaps something different.


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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 11:48
Voyage of the Acolyte.

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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 16:29
Hackett


Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 16:43
I can Hack it! Wink

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 17:26
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Thanks for using my review.Thumbs Up Voted Egg too.


Clap  I did enjoy that part of this stage of the process. Picking samples was fun... however going through all the reviews of these albums.. you really saw some great reviews that otherwise might have been lost in the shuffle. I really liked your review. Thumbs Up



I just realized something: you used Teo's review as well as mine and I think we share the same birthday...




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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 18:52
Hackett by a wide margin.

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Posted By: TornadoTongue
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 19:06
Steve


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 19:56
The Polite Force, by a micro millimetre.


Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 07:43
In my opinion it's a tie ... I vote for Polite Force because it deserves more votes.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 08:06
Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by zravkapt zravkapt wrote:

Thanks for using my review.Thumbs Up Voted Egg too.


Clap  I did enjoy that part of this stage of the process. Picking samples was fun... however going through all the reviews of these albums.. you really saw some great reviews that otherwise might have been lost in the shuffle. I really liked your review. Thumbs Up



I just realized something: you used Teo's review as well as mine and I think we share the same birthday...




Yeah... I miss him around here.  He was a hoot.


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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 09:40
Steve Hackett because I'm not a fan of Egg.


Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 11:38
Like both albums but the vote goes to Egg, because Stewart, you know.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 04:51
Voyrage

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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 17:14
Egg's best.


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 20:07
Egg. Hacket's solo stuff has never moved me greatly. Fabulous player, of that there is no doubt but his solo stuff tends to make one understand why he supposedly struggled to get his compositions onto Genesis albums. 


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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 20:47

Steve Hackett, Voyage of the Acolyte.



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Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 15:31
Originally posted by Nogbad_The_Bad Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:

Like both albums but the vote goes to Egg, because Stewart, you know.


I know and that's always a good reason.
Voting Stewart again, too.

Don't get me wrong. Voyage Of The Acolyte is fan-proggin'-tastic.
But so is The Polite Force. Actually a very hard decision. I like TPF a bit more at the moment than VOTA.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 15:52
Hackett is crushing the Egg.......man, it's a tough choice. I like EGG a great deal being a Canterbury fan but Voyage is my favorite post Genesis album (next to Gabriel's first..) , and I think the first EGG and Civil Service are better than PF.
Gotta give it to Voyage today.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 20:33
Eggy.


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 18:06
Two great albums, though The Polite Force has the edge (not that it will help them advance).


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 01:14
I like both, but I'm going with Voyage ... .



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