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Topic: 2nd Round Clas: Scheherazade v. Hall of the Mounta
Posted By: micky
Subject: 2nd Round Clas: Scheherazade v. Hall of the Mounta
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 08:35
hahhha.. yeah.. stylistic extermes man.  Both awesome albums though


In this corner.. the majestic Renaissance ClapClapClapClap. Reviewed so wonderfully by Daniel.. shame he disappeared. Ouch He had great tastes.

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3023" rel="nofollow">Renaissance - Scheherazade And Other Stories CD (album) cover

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3023" rel="nofollow - SCHEHERAZADE AND OTHER STORIES

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=603" rel="nofollow - Renaissance

 

Symphonic Prog

4.30 | 877 ratings

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5 stars I am almost sorry (just kidding) to review this album. It is another one of those classic ones than fully deserves plenty of your attention. Such album that reminds my youth.

This work is full of fantastic prog / classical moments and some might call it superfluous / pompous. I just love it. The intro of the opening number is such a beauty. as the great vocal work of course. But this is just a constant from the band. To be able to rely on Annie is so easy.

Great melodies and sumptuous piano playing is such a pleasure to listen to. Every second of this great album is of course such a wonderful travel in time, such a great remembering. A song as "Trip To The Fair" is just a jewel. No other band could have released this one. Grandeur, classical approach, melody and more than all : superb, passionate (you know how keen I am on this topic.) Annie's vocals. A highlight of their whole work.

The band is even flirting with a more commercial sound with "The Vultures Fly High". But who could blame them? Such a great melody and upbeat approach is so appealing. Such a great introduction to the last song of the first side of this album which I really love.

I have been so in love with this album for over than thirty years and it is difficult to mention anything bad about it. "Ocean Gypsy" is such a pleasant and bombastic number. The band is again at its glory. No need to say that Annie adds so much feeling to the song.

Now comes the epic. On the original album, you could read the story of Sheherazade. I can tell you that it was quite a discovery for a sixteen years old boy. These thousands and one nights stories were quite amazing. Some might call it pompous, but my feeling has never changed since I first listened to this great song. A masterpiece of prog music? Yes, IMHHO it fully deserves this rating.

I won't describe each inch of this great song. It is full of sublime moments. Not boring for an instant. At least this is how I have felt for over thirty years. I don't know how I could have coped with these classical moments; but so it is.

Magnified music, perfect and powerful vocals, grandiose interpretation, great theme. Genuine prog music, my friends. No other words. I have never felt any weak parts in this great song. And believe me, I am rather an old folk to convince. But the complexity, the diversity, the sweetness of such a great epic is so simple to listen to.

Twenty five minutes of pleasure. What else do you need ?

This is a great album. Five star rating is not a common habit of mine. Five per cent of my reviews, maybe. But no doubt, this album is one of them. A gem. But lots of you have rated this great album as such. Do listen to this fantastic work. Their best album IMHHO.

Five stars of course.



and in the opposite corner.  The mighty Hawkwind!! ClapClapClapClap  Reviewed by the ex-master of the dope smokers genre team himself. LOL EETU!!! ClapClap

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3886" rel="nofollow">Hawkwind - Hall of the Mountain Grill CD (album) cover

http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=3886" rel="nofollow - HALL OF THE MOUNTAIN GRILL

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=732" rel="nofollow - Hawkwind

 

Psychedelic/Space Rock

3.98 | 346 ratings

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5 stars "The Psychedelic Warlords (Disappear in Smoke)" opens the album with electric waves, giving birth for the menacing guitar riff. Pleasantly out normal note count the chorus of voices starts to sing the theme of the song, contemplating possibilities for escaping the grey dullness of everyday life. The constructed motive morphs as a long hallucinogenic improvisation, having fine saxophone solo from Nik Turner, interesting surreal instrumental passages and reverbed echo chaotix. The song disappears in a thick wall of blasting wind, which evokes then a very beautiful and dramatic instrumental number, main melody drawn by a violin over orchestrated shimmer. Two last tracks of the first side are merged together; "D-Rider" oscillating between anxious internal depressions and relieving explosion to grandiose cosmic verse, and "Web Weaver" spinning more acoustic rock tapestries before getting lost in space.

The B-side of the vinyl starts with classic heavier rock punch of "You'd Better Believe It", dropping to infinite caverns of black vastness when the melodic phrases have been successfully computed. The album title song is a dramatic piano composition, a cosmic synthesizer orchestration bringing more dimensions to it. This is followed by Lemmy's tune "Lost Johnny" which he also signs. A quite nice rocker, predicting his upcoming Motörhead career, but maybe deviating little from the more thoughtful and highflying feeling of the other songs of the album. "Goat Willow" is just a short peculiar aural vision as an intro for album closer "Paradox", which I understood is recorded from a live concert. This song has really brilliant metaphorical lyrics, and the composition itself builds from powerful but simple minor chord progressions. The drums enter the song only after the singing is completed, opening the rockier improvisational sequence only after the beginnings recital. A set of Mellotrons have been brought to the stage also, and the farewell tune is on of the finest songs from the group I have heard.

This record introduced me to the cosmic realms of Hawkwind's spacey atmospherics and long improvisational progressions, and thus certainly affected for my own internal models regarding the expectations about the group. For a long time this along with the records "Space Ritual" and "Warrior on The Edge of Time" formed a trinity of most albums on the band's 1970's, but with more age gathered I started to find more appreciation also for the other albums of their unbalanced discography. The album also gave a very strong experience to me, motivating to search further the distant galaxies of this band's universe, and orientating my own growth towards more meditative record listening. A real classic, which I would warmly recommend to anybody interested of cosmic rock music.




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Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:16
Both are great but I'll go with Hawk.

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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:18
Hawk Mountain


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Posted By: Kirillov
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:20
^ Ya better believe it!


Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:36
Renaissance all day

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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:38
Tough vote.  Going with Scheherazade but if it was Ashes are burning, I wouldn't have had to think twice about the vote.  Or Novella or SFAS but those are unlikely to feature in this sort of poll anyway with their ratings.


Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 09:58
This is the easiest one yet, Hawkwind.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:09
^

funny.. hardest one yet. Sitting squarely on the fence with this one.


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:11
Probably not hard for diehard fans of either band, tough one for the rest though the name Hawkwind is going to sway votes imo.  I am supposedly a diehard fan of Ren but the epic leaves me cold. 


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:18
yeah.. I toyed seriously with going with Ashes are Burning...  for the longest time it was favorite album of theirs.  This one really grew with time however.. the opening track hit like a ton of bricks on the first listen.. however the epic did need to fully grow on me.


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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:20
Ditto.  Trip was a keeper from the get go.  Never could warm up to the epic.  It's nice enough and all that but doesn't pay off for the investment of 25 min.  I am not too fond of Arabian Nights to begin with.  Much rather Arabian Knights. ;)


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:21
As much as I think Hawkwind need more atention, I'am going with Renaissance.


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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:34
Hawklords

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:36
Renaissance, easy.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:36
Seriously? SaoS

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 10:51
Hall of the Mountain Grill

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Posted By: The-time-is-now
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 11:34
Scheherazade and Other Stories.

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Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 16:31
Originally posted by GKR GKR wrote:

As much as I think Hawkwind need more atention, I'am going with Renaissance.




Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 16:40
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

Both are great but I'll go with Hawk.
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Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 18:54
Renaissance. I can't get into Hawkwind.

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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 25 2015 at 20:06
I think the Hawks win me over, though it's again a close call.


Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 07:47
Another tough choice. Considering that Renaissance will probably win anyway, I vote for Hawkwind.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 08:01
still sitting.. and will sit until the end.. or until one pulls away and then voting for the loser. Happy to see either move on.

both great and loved... but scratch completely different itches so really can't choose.  Then again.. I guess if I had to choose.. it would be Renaissance. It is the album I reach for when I want me some Renaissance..  Hall of the Mountain Grill is not always the first I'd reach for when I want me some Hawkwind. 


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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 09:38
This one wasn't tough since I never got into Renaissance. 


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 09:53
Not really a fan of either band, but the vote for Hawkwind was still an easy choice. Annie is my kryptonite.

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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 11:32
Tough call but just an edge to the Hawks.

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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 12:07
I'm a big Renaissance fan but the album chosen is nowhere near my favorite.
I'm not a big Hawkwind fan, but I enjoy certain individual tracks by them a lot.  I prefer "Warrior on the Edge of Time" to the one chosen, but Scheherazade would be my choice over any Hawkwind album anyway Tongue


Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: July 26 2015 at 17:49
I like Scheherazade, if a bit less than I used to. Hall of the Mountain Grill is kind of bland as Hawkwind albums go. Voted for Renaissance.


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 01:52
Scheherazade is beautiful, and Hawkwind still has to grow on me, so...


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 04:45
Scheherazade

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 04:52
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Not really a fan of either band, but the vote for Hawkwind was still an easy choice. Annie is my kryptonite.
Kryptonite? Nah, she's a diamond Embarrassed Renaissance for me, one of the best concerts I attended this year Thumbs Up


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 05:41
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Not really a fan of either band, but the vote for Hawkwind was still an easy choice. Annie is my kryptonite.
Kryptonite? Nah, she's a diamond Embarrassed Renaissance for me, one of the best concerts I attended this year Thumbs Up



Yeah I know I'm in the minority on that one Samuel.



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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 05:47
I know the feeling, I'm in the minority about VdGG... and Syd Barrett Confused


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 05:53
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I know the feeling, I'm in the minority about VdGG... and Syd Barrett Confused


Well that's what makes this place interesting
I'd be a real drag if we all were listening to the same stuff.
I think we have a very broad bench here on PA, which probably has something to do with the many different age groups and cultures represented.

Btw I think most folks would agree with you on Syd. There are a couple of die hard fans on PA, but I think the majority thinks he was a tad too weird for his own good. Not me though!



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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 06:15
I agree. Polls would be really boring otherwise Tongue

I find strange that Madcap has a higher rating than Saucerful here Ermm I like weirdness, but he already was out of his mind, it's sad and I'm not able to enjoy. I think it would make a good anti-drug campaign though.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 06:20
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I know the feeling, I'm in the minority about VdGG... and Syd Barrett Confused
yeah, I'm in the micro-minority about Kajagoogoo, like just me myself and I


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 07:24
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I agree. Polls would be really boring otherwise Tongue

I find strange that Madcap has a higher rating than Saucerful here Ermm I like weirdness, but he already was out of his mind, it's sad and I'm not able to enjoy. I think it would make a good anti-drug campaign though.

LOL
You may be on to something there. 




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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 07:53
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Not really a fan of either band, but the vote for Hawkwind was still an easy choice. Annie is my kryptonite.
Kryptonite? Nah, she's a diamond Embarrassed Renaissance for me, one of the best concerts I attended this year Thumbs Up
 
Where did you happen to catch them? Have been tracking the Europe/Israel shows; I swear she's got vocal cords made of tungsten or something like that.


Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 08:08
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Not really a fan of either band, but the vote for Hawkwind was still an easy choice. Annie is my kryptonite.
Kryptonite? Nah, she's a diamond Embarrassed Renaissance for me, one of the best concerts I attended this year Thumbs Up
 
Where did you happen to catch them? Have been tracking the Europe/Israel shows; I swear she's got vocal cords made of tungsten or something like that.
Gouveia, Portugal. Here's the full concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eFdLs3WpI&list=PLXQTYzITwJHjuMJ2VwJk42sTmdzgPjrcA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eFdLs3WpI&list=PLXQTYzITwJHjuMJ2VwJk42sTmdzgPjrcA  She surprised everyone right from the start with Prologue, she still has a great voice Smile


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 10:09
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

Not really a fan of either band, but the vote for Hawkwind was still an easy choice. Annie is my kryptonite.
Kryptonite? Nah, she's a diamond Embarrassed Renaissance for me, one of the best concerts I attended this year Thumbs Up
 
Where did you happen to catch them? Have been tracking the Europe/Israel shows; I swear she's got vocal cords made of tungsten or something like that.
Gouveia, Portugal. Here's the full concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eFdLs3WpI&list=PLXQTYzITwJHjuMJ2VwJk42sTmdzgPjrcA" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_eFdLs3WpI&list=PLXQTYzITwJHjuMJ2VwJk42sTmdzgPjrcA  She surprised everyone right from the start with Prologue, she still has a great voice Smile

Wonderful!  Yup, it was a great show, have seen the clips.  Eagerly waiting for the DVD from the London show.  


Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 10:26
^ I'll have to buy the DVD too. I don't need it autographed though: already have my LP's signed by Annie Wink


Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 13:06
Hawkwind is cooler, but in this case I have to admit I'm more of a Renaissance man.

Scheherazade.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: July 27 2015 at 15:42
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I know the feeling, I'm in the minority about VdGG... and Syd Barrett Confused


trust me.. you don't stand alone there.. on either Thumbs DownLOL


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Posted By: proggman
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 19:40

Renaissance, Scheherazade and Other Stories.



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When he rides, my fears subside.
For darkness turns once more to light.
Through the skies, his white horse flies.
To find a land beyond the night.


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 19:06
Long time between drinks with Hawkwind. I was never a huge fan but I was and am of Michael Moorcock so I always wanted to like Hawkwind but but but they just didn't quite hit the spot. Listening again now and well, they have aged well. Then again so have Renaissance though I'm not sure about the vocals and I wonder why I'd rather listen to this than e.g. Celeste's glorious Principe di un Giorno. Then again I'm thrououghly enjoying the so called epic. Hard one but PtooeyFart it is.  http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=103418" rel="nofollow -

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 20:36
Renaissance for me.


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Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 03:55
I'd go with Scheherazade on this one, although the Hawkwind album rules too 

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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 18:09
Like the Hawkwind album a lot, but Scheherazade is simply gorgeous.



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