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Topic: How to Enjoy Progressive Rock
Posted By: timbo
Subject: How to Enjoy Progressive Rock
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 06:17
I was searching for something else when I came across this little "gem": http://www.wikihow.com/Enjoy-Progressive-Rock" rel="nofollow - http://www.wikihow.com/Enjoy-Progressive-Rock
Apparently I've been doing it all wrong over the years.  According to this, before enjoying the music I have to understand all the complex genres and sub-genres. 
They recommend to get into progressive rock you start out with Genesis - mainly the 80s songs.  (Were they prog? Oh wait, we've done that argument before).  I don't know whether to laugh or cry with this article, it seems so patronising. Progressive rock for dummies?
 
I'm trying to work out what sort of person sits down and thinks "I'm going to try getting into Progressive Rock. Let's look on the internet to find out how."
 
Oh and apparently drugs have nothing to do with it (see the end). Never thought they did, having been into it for 35 years and never taken anything stronger than alcohol Wink
 
Opinions?



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Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 06:28
Quote Gentle Giant – This band’s music is easy to get into


Some people may disagree with that opinion ...


Posted By: Necrotica
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 06:37
Honestly, the fact that there's an article literally titled "How to Enjoy Progressive Rock" is just hilarious. There shouldn't be an article telling people how to enjoy music in general, especially considering the fact that music is subjective and everybody has different methods of getting into certain genres. Wikihow is pretty funny sometimes. 


Posted By: timbo
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 06:52
Oh, just noticed in step 11 there is a nod to ProgArchives Smile


Posted By: PrognosticMind
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 06:58
Lol @ this article's title, and even bigger LOL @ their opinion on GG's music.

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 07:35
I read this article a few months ago, it's more funny than informative LOL I guess I never enjoyed Prog, since I never liked 80's Genesis Tongue


Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 07:35
Originally posted by Necrotica Necrotica wrote:

Honestly, the fact that there's an article literally titled "How to Enjoy Progressive Rock" is just hilarious. There shouldn't be an article telling people how to enjoy music in general, especially considering the fact that music is subjective and everybody has different methods of getting into certain genres. Wikihow is pretty funny sometimes. 

I couldn't say it better. You like music for your own personal reasons, and enjoy it regardless of what somebody thinks you should do to get into it.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 07:51
I can't decide whether this article is being tongue-in-cheek or serious. If it's the latter then they're truly scraping the barrel of unintelligent advice.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 08:22
It's a good article (if ranking as 'poor', 'avarage', 'good' and 'awesome') for the kids.


Posted By: Kinng
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 10:22
Originally posted by timbo timbo wrote:

 having been into it for 35 years and never taken anything stronger than alcohol Wink
Haha, not surprising when you consider that alcohol is one of the hardest drugs^^
You should really try to listen to prog while high, its awesome. 
psychedelic rock is what got me into prog couple years ago, and its what prog emerged out of, so its no coincidence psychedelics and prog work well together


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 17:18
Tongue firmly inserted in cheek.  Wink


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 17:24
That's not a poorly written list though I'd think it a joke if it weren't so serious.   It's funny that 'Eclectic Prog' is now an Net-accepted term.   That's a PA creation.   When we coined it, the snickering was audible.


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 18:12
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

That's not a poorly written list though I'd think it a joke if it weren't so serious.   It's funny that 'Eclectic Prog' is now an Net-accepted term.   That's a PA creation.   When we coined it, the snickering was audible.


IndeedWink. I remember getting into an argument on an Italian forum because I was defending the Eclectic definition (which, if my memory serves me right, was a product of my own warped mindLOL).

Edit: I have read much worse articles on prog, though the article is clearly not meant for seasoned listeners like us. Anyway, whoever wrote that should be commended for genuinely trying to introduce would-be listeners to prog, instead of patronizing the whole genre and its fandom as many others have done.
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 18:36
i would've said to start with Yes and the 3-disc The Ultimate Yes and go from there like I did or Rush with the Gold compilation, and then go through each of the albums. that's what i usually do, though there's an exception (Radiohead).

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 18:40
With a glass of beer.

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 19:55
Thank GOD an article like this has finally come out!! 

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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 20:13
I guess I'll have to do it all over again the right way.


Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 20:19
Originally posted by Skalla-Grim Skalla-Grim wrote:

Quote Gentle Giant – This band’s music is easy to get into


Some people may disagree with that opinion ...

Like me. 

I mean i dislike them. 

But they're vocals? Holy god - spare me. 


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: July 28 2015 at 22:28
Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by Skalla-Grim Skalla-Grim wrote:

Quote Gentle Giant – This band’s music is easy to get into


Some people may disagree with that opinion ...

Like me. 

I mean i dislike them. 

But they're vocals? Holy god - spare me. 

You need to succumb to the article...It's the only way to save your soul!


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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 00:16
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

That's not a poorly written list though I'd think it a joke if it weren't so serious.   It's funny that 'Eclectic Prog' is now an Net-accepted term.   That's a PA creation.   When we coined it, the snickering was audible.
The writer obviously got the definitions directly from PA...

...and all this time I should have been taking notes while listening!

He's obviously a big fan who wants more people to like what he likes.


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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 02:15
First of all, no Avant or Zeuhl or Kraut. Looking at the "other bands" I find hilarious the recommendation for Breathless. Should I suggest a Camel album, that's one that I would never think of. 
But I agree with "Close your eyes and try to imagine the scenarios that the songs are crafting" It's a good suggestion, IMO


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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 12:57
Sorry, I am NOT going to listen to Invisible Touch or We Can't Dance ever again.  Heard enough of that from the radio and didn't like it then!

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Posted By: zwordser
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 12:58
Generally I agree with those here who have said (in essence) people don't get into music quite this way. You like what ya like!

But that's MOST people, not all people. And if this article prompts even a small number of people to explore and get to like prog rock (who would not have done so otherwise) I think its a good thing!


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:09

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCPH_gJiH98YCFdcbkgodcaUEKQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stereogum.com%2F1597781%2Fpeter-gabriel-and-phil-collins-are-both-open-to-a-genesis-reunion%2Fnews%2F&ei=zOizVfHpNde3yATxypLIAg&bvm=bv.98717601,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNHp1CadBA-NonQGtWxGUBTZC8yPAA&ust=1437940298860441" rel="nofollow">

And how do you get 15 year olds to forget about Miley Cyrus above and embrace Peter Gabriel below?



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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:11
Why shouldn't 13 year olds listen to Miley?

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:19
Ok. Let's raise the drinking age to 15 then.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:26
Well it is possible that some teens actually get some of the same out of her music as we do with say Tull or Floyd. I saw this interview with a 15 year old girl who'd completely changed her life (for the better), because of Miley's music. She said she got goosebumps from certain numbers and that the lyrics made her question her own life. Reminds me of somethingLOL
Me? I neither hear or see it (mjeeaaah maybe I see it a little bit - rrrrauw), but let's leave it up to people to find their own taste in music. 


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:32
^Strangely, there's always a thread that runs through music and disparate artists. Miley was featured on the last Flaming Lips record. The Flaming lips are Floyd fanatics and did a not so hot cover of DSotM a few years before. If a Miley fan gets into some later psych pop Flaming Lips like Yoshimi, then he or she may go into a prog direction.  This is the only business or marketing way I know of to bridge this kind of gap, but it is possible.


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:34
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CAcQjRxqFQoTCPH_gJiH98YCFdcbkgodcaUEKQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.stereogum.com%2F1597781%2Fpeter-gabriel-and-phil-collins-are-both-open-to-a-genesis-reunion%2Fnews%2F&ei=zOizVfHpNde3yATxypLIAg&bvm=bv.98717601,d.aWw&psig=AFQjCNHp1CadBA-NonQGtWxGUBTZC8yPAA&ust=1437940298860441" rel="nofollow">

And how do you get 15 year olds to forget about Miley Cyrus above and embrace Peter Gabriel below?



Well, for me, Peter gabriel always won. Embarrassed


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:35
^Whatever floats your boat is my saying. LOL


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:38
And you choose the worst picture on purpouse, lets face it LOL


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:41
^Hey, when I  think of Peter Gabriel, that's the image that comes to mind. And Peter is responsible for that! LOL


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:43
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Strangely, there's always a thread that runs through music and disparate artists. Miley was featured on the last Flaming Lips record. The Flaming lips are Floyd fanatics and did a not so hot cover of DSotM a few years before. If a Miley fan gets into some later psych pop Flaming Lips like Yoshimi, then he or she may go into a prog direction.  This is the only business or marketing way I know of to bridge this kind of gap, but it is possible.

That's kinda cool - I had no idea. 




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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 13:57
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Hey, when I  think of Peter Gabriel, that's the image that comes to mind. And Peter is responsible for that! LOL


Will you deny the sex appeal of the following image!? WILL YOU!?




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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 14:24
^In a strange way, I can't! LOL

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Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 14:31
I close my case.


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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 29 2015 at 16:05
Originally posted by twalsh twalsh wrote:

Sorry, I am NOT going to listen to Invisible Touch or We Can't Dance ever again.  Heard enough of that from the radio and didn't like it then!

   Question   And you shouldn't; but that's not really Genesis.   That's like saying you won't watch ST:TOS because you saw "Spock's Brain" and decided the whole series was crap.   It's not representative.




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Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 09:46
This is just too funny.... The article and this thread.
Glad I read it. Thanks gents!! Boy, putting Miley and Gabriel in the same sentence is got my eyebrows up. ;)


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 10:27
How to enjoy prog?

I'm not entirely sure, but I bet this man has the answer:


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Posted By: Formentera Lady
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 10:32
LOL Funny article and funny thread! I especially laughed at: "Don't force yourself to listen to more progressive rock then you can take in."

But seriously, I discovered prog with Three Sides Live and Abacab in the 80's, and worked my way backwards... .Tongue


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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: July 30 2015 at 17:28
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Strangely, there's always a thread that runs through music and disparate artists. Miley was featured on the last Flaming Lips record. The Flaming lips are Floyd fanatics and did a not so hot cover of DSotM a few years before. If a Miley fan gets into some later psych pop Flaming Lips like Yoshimi, then he or she may go into a prog direction.  This is the only business or marketing way I know of to bridge this kind of gap, but it is possible.
 
...and Flaming Lips did a track by track remake of In The Court Of The Crimson King entitled Playing Hide And Seek With The Ghosts Of Dawn back in 2012.
 
...and they've covered "Heart Of The Sunrise."
 
So yeah, anything's possible.


Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 07:50
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

I have read much worse articles on prog, though the article is clearly not meant for seasoned listeners like us. Anyway, whoever wrote that should be commended for genuinely trying to introduce would-be listeners to prog, instead of patronizing the whole genre and its fandom as many others have done. 
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Yup!
Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

i would've said to start with Yes and the 3-disc The Ultimate Yes and go from there like I did or Rush with the Gold compilation, and then go through each of the albums. that's what i usually do, though there's an exception (Radiohead).
I started with Jethro Tull, and moved on from there to Genesis and Gentle Giant. If I'd started with Yes I would probably never have explored progressive rock any further, but to each his own.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 31 2015 at 08:32
I kinda agree with you Raff. I just find the whole thing rather ridiculous tbh. Like this pseudo-prog-bootcamp where you are trained in listening to a specific kind of music. I don't get that at all.

Maybe if I compare it to eating chilis? One shouldn't start out with a ghost pepper but rather sprinkle a few drops of tabasco on a fruitpie. Wow now I get it
I just would've worded my article a little differently and spoken more of chilis, if I were to introduce prog to newbies......and almost certainly picked a different set of artists/albums.


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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 08:31
HOW TO ENJOY PROGRESSIVE ROCK:
1. Play prog music.
2. Listen.
3. Enjoy.


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 10:09
How to enjoy progressive rock?
 
Shut up and listen.


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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 12:05
Originally posted by miamiscot miamiscot wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^Strangely, there's always a thread that runs through music and disparate artists. Miley was featured on the last Flaming Lips record. The Flaming lips are Floyd fanatics and did a not so hot cover of DSotM a few years before. If a Miley fan gets into some later psych pop Flaming Lips like Yoshimi, then he or she may go into a prog direction.  This is the only business or marketing way I know of to bridge this kind of gap, but it is possible.
 
...and Flaming Lips did a track by track remake of In The Court Of The Crimson King entitled Playing Hide And Seek With The Ghosts Of Dawn back in 2012.
 
...and they've covered "Heart Of The Sunrise."
 
So yeah, anything's possible.
I didn't feel the need for any extra exposition by bringing up these additional subpar covers from the Lips and their offshoot group the Electric Worms, but thanks anyway.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 12:31
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

How to enjoy progressive rock?
 
Shut up and listen.
 
Advice for everyone on this forum? 


Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 12:32
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

How to enjoy progressive rock?
 
Shut up and listen.
 
Advice for everyone on this forum? 
Sorry, can't talk right now. I'm listening to an album.LOL


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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 12:58
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

How to enjoy progressive rock?
 
Shut up and listen.
 
Advice for everyone on this forum? 
Sorry, can't talk right now. I'm listening to an album.LOL
 
well played, sir.Wink


Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: August 01 2015 at 13:09
Looks like I've been doing it all wrong.

Time to start all over.


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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: August 03 2015 at 18:18
Almost completely wrong, and the worst depiction of Page and Plant I have ever seen.  Wink  Here is my advice, for what it may be worth:
 
1.  Listen to what you like.  Don't like it because someone else said you should, but don't dislike it for the same reason.
2.  Be open to new stuff.
3.  Feel free to accept or reject whatever comes your way.
4.  It's all music. Sub-genres just give a guideline into what to expect.  The lines blur everywhere.
5.  What band to start with depends on the band's output as well as your own interests and tastes.  Genesis may work, but 80s Genesis is different from 70s Genesis.  Same for Yes, King Crimson, and countless others.
6.  Explore a variety of bands and sub-genres..  Don't expect them all to sound the same.
7.  Don't take notes, but listen.  Most people respond to music emotionally rather than intellectually. Don't turn it into a school assignment (unless that's how you roll).
8.  Once you get the taste, then you can start to think more consciously about it and explore the field even more.  Don't turn your mind off completely; assume you will get the taste at some point.
9.  Some knowledge of music will enhance appreciation but may have nothing to do with enjoyment.
10.  Yes, watch videos, communicate with others; ask for recommendations and follow recommended links.  Note to the recommenders: Don't expect others to like exactly what you like for the same reasons.  An over zealous progger can easily turn a neophyte into a hater, and no one wants that.
11.  Above all, enjoy what you are doing.


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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 04 2015 at 10:30
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

How to enjoy progressive rock?
 
Shut up and listen.
 
I'll admit that in 1972/3 and 4, there was some augmentation to the music. A good hit of acid and laying down on the couch and listening to CTTE, or Echoes, or TAAB or APP ... was an awesome experience.
 
Nowadays ... yeah ... DE's suggestion is the best! And we don't mean just 5 minutes of it, which I think is the most important part, since nowadays, there are way too many "prog" folks that can only listen to radio cuts!


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 04 2015 at 12:01
How to enjoy prog rock is like asking how to enjoy sex.....if you have to ask then you probably just should forget it.
 
 
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Posted By: RockHound
Date Posted: August 04 2015 at 12:31
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

How to enjoy prog rock is like asking how to enjoy sex.....if you have to ask then you probably just should forget it.
 
Wink

I presume the Wiki-How for enjoying sex involves putting on a little mood music like Gentle Giant, because it's "easy to get into." It also has a good beat and is easy to dance to.

Just think of Mr. Smooth turning down the lights, pouring some fine brandy, and putting on "The Power and the Glory."  LOL


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 04 2015 at 13:14
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:

LOL Funny article and funny thread! I especially laughed at: "Don't force yourself to listen to more progressive rock then you can take in."

But seriously, I discovered prog with Three Sides Live and Abacab in the 80's, and worked my way backwards... .Tongue

Before I read your post I was thinking something similar.  If you start with '80's Genesis and work your way backwards the music certainly gets better.  For me it was sitting around getting stoned and listening to Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot about the time Wind and Wuthering came out, so I was able to go backwards and forwards. Big smile

I just started reading the article and what he says about Genesis makes sense.  I like "These songs are very special to many progressive rock fans, and soon you’ll learn to love them." or else! LOL

He should also have mentioned progstreaming and house of prog, but I'm glad he mentioned us.  As a seasoned prog fan this site has been a great place to make new discoveries, explore artists I had heard about but hadn't gotten into, and of course have pointless arguments about what is and isn't prog.  All in all a decent article all in all he can she can seeee...


Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 04 2015 at 14:34
Originally posted by Formentera Lady Formentera Lady wrote:



But seriously, I discovered prog with Three Sides Live and Abacab in the 80's, and worked my way backwards... .Tongue


That's about the same for me, except that my older brothers played a lot of prog in my childhood days.
But forgetting about it in my teenage years, I heard Abacab, liked it, got Duke and Live and And Then There Were Three, and then went from the Genesis back catalogue towards other prog bands like Yes, King Crimson and ELP. So a bit like the writer of the article suggested.

I don't know, such a listening procedure, it might work for some.
Most of us work are explorers by heart, I suppose, and one step leads to another.


Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 06 2015 at 09:35
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

How to enjoy prog rock is like asking how to enjoy sex.....if you have to ask then you probably just should forget it.
 
 
Wink
 
Or, you are too old?


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Posted By: yaksongs
Date Posted: August 10 2015 at 07:58
I found the article worked best when I read it in the voice of Alan Partridge lol


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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: August 10 2015 at 09:17
I use a method paraphrased from a classic episode of "The Odd Couple" TV show:
 
1. Take a very small listen of the music.
2. Swish it around inside of your head.
3. Continue swishing until it sound like old furniture polish.
4. Spit it out into a glass.
Anything less is uncivilized.
 


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Posted By: symphonicman
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 07:11
How to not enjoy Progressive Rock? Impossible!


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: August 15 2015 at 08:07
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

I use a method paraphrased from a classic episode of "The Odd Couple" TV show:
 
1. Take a very small listen of the music.
2. Swish it around inside of your head.
3. Continue swishing until it sound like old furniture polish.
4. Spit it out into a glass.
Anything less is uncivilized.
 

LOLLOLLOL

Great Scott!




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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 18 2015 at 16:28
^ I remember that line, Oscar was tasting wine -

Too bad the new series is crap.




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Posted By: garfunkel
Date Posted: August 18 2015 at 19:24
Originally posted by RockHound RockHound wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

How to enjoy prog rock is like asking how to enjoy sex.....if you have to ask then you probably just should forget it.
 
Wink

I presume the Wiki-How for enjoying sex involves putting on a little mood music like Gentle Giant, because it's "easy to get into." It also has a good beat and is easy to dance to.

Just think of Mr. Smooth turning down the lights, pouring some fine brandy, and putting on "The Power and the Glory."  LOL


I laughed for a couple minutes. Thank You! Clap


Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 09:44
How to enjoy Progressive Rock in two easy steps.

1. Turn off that Genesis album
2. Put on King Crimson instead

Always works for me!!

(I kid, I kid)


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 10:25
Originally posted by progrockdeepcuts progrockdeepcuts wrote:

How to enjoy Progressive Rock in two easy steps.

1. Turn off that Genesis album
2. Put on King Crimson instead

Always works for me!!

(I kid, I kid)


Thumbs UpLOL


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 14:45
Originally posted by progrockdeepcuts progrockdeepcuts wrote:

How to enjoy Progressive Rock in two easy steps.

1. Turn off that Genesis album
2. Put on King Crimson instead

Always works for me!!

(I kid, I kid)
 
LOLLOLLOL


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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 15:25
Originally posted by timbo timbo wrote:

I was searching for something else when I came across this little "gem": http://www.wikihow.com/Enjoy-Progressive-Rock" rel="nofollow - http://www.wikihow.com/Enjoy-Progressive-Rock
Apparently I've been doing it all wrong over the years.  According to this, before enjoying the music I have to understand all the complex genres and sub-genres. 
They recommend to get into progressive rock you start out with Genesis - mainly the 80s songs.  (Were they prog? Oh wait, we've done that argument before).  I don't know whether to laugh or cry with this article, it seems so patronising. Progressive rock for dummies?
 
I'm trying to work out what sort of person sits down and thinks "I'm going to try getting into Progressive Rock. Let's look on the internet to find out how."
 
Oh and apparently drugs have nothing to do with it (see the end). Never thought they did, having been into it for 35 years and never taken anything stronger than alcohol Wink
 
Opinions?
I clicked on that link and closed it within seconds, this is exactly what is prog not supposed to be, it's supposed to be progressive, fun, exciting, thus not following any specific rules, it's for people who do not want sermons or to be preached upon, it's about clever individualism a wonderful listening experience full of layers that ever keep changing with every listen, also all sense grandiosity is believed to be just silly. Big smile  


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 15:31
Also anyone putting down Genesis probably has not heard or appreciated early Genesis, what they meant/ did to prog moozik especially Gabriel era with Phil Collins on drums. Peter Gabriel first appearance in costume was wearing a red dress and a fox ontop of his head hahaha and his band had no idea up to the point of appearing on stage LOL 
It's just like saying to me, that my fav grumpy Robert Fripp's version of Heroes is better than David Bowie's. Confused


Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 15:43
There are many interesting cover versions of Heroes. Here's one of them ;-)




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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 15:55
Ha! Let me hear that Olav, I'd love to hear anything covered from Bowie Big smile


Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 15:59
Originally posted by Windhawk Windhawk wrote:

There are many interesting cover versions of Heroes. Here's one of them ;-)


Olav, this is actually really good! Except for the heavier metal droning the instrumentals are kept as they were originally. I like this version very much! Ha! Awesome! hahahahaha!!!! No idea of most what he is singing but it works! Big smileHug mhwoaaahhxxxxxx


Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 16:40
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Olav, this is actually really good! Except for the heavier metal droning the instrumentals are kept as they were originally. I like this version very much! Ha! Awesome! hahahahaha!!!! No idea of most what he is singing but it works! Big smileHug mhwoaaahhxxxxxx


They sing German version of the lyrics of Heroes. The vocalist is one of the guys in Rammstein, incidentally.

Du, könntest Du schwimmen
Wie Delphine, Delphine es tun

Niemand gibt uns eine Chance
Doch können wir siegen,
Für immer und immer

Und wir sind dann Helden
Für einen Tag

Ja...

Ich, ich bin dann König
Und Du, Du Königin

Obwohl sie so unschlagbar scheinen
Werden wir Helden
Für einen Tag

Dann sind wir Helden
Für einen Tag

Ich, ich glaub das zu träumen
Die Mauer im Rücken war kalt

Die Schüsse reißen die Luft
Doch wir küssen, als ob nichts geschieht

Und die Scham fiel auf ihre Seite
Oh wir können sie schlagen für alle Zeiten

Dann sind wir Helden an diesem Tag

Dann sind wir Helden
Dann sind wir Helden

Dann sind wir Helden
Nur diesen Tag

Dann sind wir Helden
Nur diesen Tag


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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 16:52
Interesting, Olav. Also the first time I ever heard Rammstein was with Rammstein das Boot Big smile


Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: August 20 2015 at 16:58
Originally posted by Kati Kati wrote:

Interesting, Olav. Also the first time I ever heard Rammstein was with Rammstein das Boot Big smile


Hehe, a gentler introduction than I had I suspect. I first came across Rammstein when listening to the soundtrack of Lost Highway (which also features a Bowie tune incidentally). The two Rammstein tracks on that soundtrack was Rammstein and, if I recall correctly, Heirate Mich.

The Bowie track on that soundtrack was I'm Deranged, just in case you wonder.


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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 10:39
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Listen to each album closely. Take note of the sections of each of the songs you choose to listen to.
  • Close your eyes and try to imagine the scenarios that the songs are crafting, the themes being explored and the meanings of the lyrics. Play these songs again and again to really take in what is going on, comparing each song as you do so. And if you can’t get into a certain track, try another.
  • Remember to start with shorter tracks – if you can’t get into the longer songs...

Oh for crying out loud, prog is about listening to (and appreciating) the album as a whole from start to finish, not flitting about here and there till you find something you like.



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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 10:49
How to Enjoy Progressive Rock: You don't. Progressive Rock is not about enjoyment. You just pretend to know what you're talking about and hope that people will take you seriously.

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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 10:56
Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

How to Enjoy Progressive Rock: You don't. Progressive Rock is not about enjoyment. You just pretend to know what you're talking about and hope that people will take you seriously.


I have on occasion described prog rock as music that you simultaneously endure and appreciate, in approximately equal measures.


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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 11:27
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Originally posted by Imperial Zeppelin Imperial Zeppelin wrote:

How to Enjoy Progressive Rock: You don't. Progressive Rock is not about enjoyment. You just pretend to know what you're talking about and hope that people will take you seriously.


I have on occasion described prog rock as music that you simultaneously endure and appreciate, in approximately equal measures.


Weirdly enough, that's more how I define extreme Free-Jazz-metal and a lot of No Wave


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 14:11


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 12:09
Rid your mind of cant and worry and don't forget to breathe!!!


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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 15:09
1. Don't go into Genesis, Yes, or PF first. Start with heavy Zappa/Beefheart, Faust, and UZ.
2. If you listen on Vinyl, you can't choose your favourite songs. Use Spotify instead.
3. Kill anyone on sight if they mention Supertramp in their favourite artists. (also applies for ELO, Knasas or The Beatles aka The Devil's Music)
4. Mention prog in any conversation you have. Assert your dominance of the music world by bringing up highly experimental artists even by prog standards. Explain how you were hugely influenced on the RIO movement and have slowly based your life off of it.
5. ???
6. Profit 


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 17:23
Originally posted by Floydoid Floydoid wrote:

Oh for crying out loud, prog is about listening to (and appreciating) the album as a whole from start to finish, not flitting about here and there till you find something you like.
Not in my case. Not necessarily so.



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