Kill Your Idols! Kill Your Idols!
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Topic: Kill Your Idols! Kill Your Idols!
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Kill Your Idols! Kill Your Idols!
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 12:37
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Kill Your Idols is the name of a book in which people are allowed to take a crack at some of their hero's most overrated albums. I have a slightly different idea. I just want to vent on some of my hero's more annoying habits or other smaller things that stick in your craw. For me, it's Geddy's high shrill wailing on the earlier Rush albums. What are some of your pet peeves concerning your favorite artists? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 13:26
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I've always been a little put off by the trebly sound of Steve Howe's guitar. I love his playing but I wish he had a thicker sound more like Hacket et al. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 13:36
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Omar and Cedric kicking out AMAZING important members of their band. Most specifically Ikey and Adrian Gonzalez. They get a pass on Jon Theodore because they have some cool sh*t going with all their drummers and TP was best for Bedlam. Tim Smith having a stupid stroke... damn it. :'( :'( I agree on Geddy's hilarious voice but that's what makes Rush more of a "fun" band. Most of the death metal bands I listen to not incorporating odd instruments into their music. Thinking Plague not releasing albums all the time. Thomas Erak from the Fall of Troy trying to pretend he's actually an amazing melodic vocalist on their last album. He sounded awesome on Phantom but after that he went downhill... Dave Kerman not continuing to make music with Bob Drake... damn it. Koenjihyyakkei replacing their guitarist with wind instead of just adding a wind instrumentalist. (Though i still love angherr Shispa) Not being able to have a conversation with Robert Fripp Carla leaving Sleepytime and forcing them to make Free Salamander Exhibit but that will have them missing the feminine element in the music which I doubt will be equally amazing. Trey Sprunace and Mike Patton being dicks to each other even though Trey seems like such an amazingly nice guy when I have spoken with him before. Toby Driver and Greg Massi not continuing to work together... because I love the kind of force those guys are together. Just saw them perform Choirs of the Eye and you can really tell they are great together. I'm very put off at how Steven Wilson does this whole retro prog thing while speaking out against it, acts like he's doing this entirely new and amazing thing when his music isn't even weird. Dream Theater keeping James LaBrie as their vocalist all the time... damn it pls stop guys... I love you but I don't. Muse continuing to inch further and further away from their bombastic and epic sound into commercially accessible music. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 14:09
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Roger telling us about his dead dad. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 15:07
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Hey, Kill Yr Idols! Love that SY EP. Oh, wait, now I see... Well, I'm upset with SWilson's slow disengagement from forward thinking prog towards retro prog, but even more so with that new headpaint album, where he both fails at making good retro/xover prog and completely pulled a fast one in regards to promised new directions. It was easy to forgive him for The Incident's middling quality and similar messing up of a concept, but he doesn't show signs of making up for this tormato anytime soon. My love for Jon Anderson is a bit muted because of that hackjob of an attempt at spiritual lyrics on Tales. I've always rolled my eyes at Greg Ginn's behaviour. Such a great punk guitarist and bandleader... and such an asshat. Speaking of which, don't get me started on Euronymous and Varg Vikernes, I mean my god... -------------  
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 16:53
His tales about his dad are no reason for me to take a crack at him. Far more sickening is the poppycock he talks about Israel and Palestines. It seems that he has attended some guided tour which took him to the wrong side of the Anzio bridgehead. ------------- 
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Nogbad_The_Bad wrote:Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 16:54
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Roger who?
If it's Waters I wouldn't know because I think he's a bore. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 16:59
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Then you wouldn't know, be he a bore, a boar or something else. Once he was a guy I could not hear an evil word about.
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 17:04
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Most of my idols are already dead ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 17:04
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The originator of this thread is a bore AND something else. I like boars. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 28 2015 at 17:29
Robert Fripp annoyed the hell out of me when he broke up the King Crimson LTIA band in the 1970s! However, his subsequent versions have taken some of the sting out.  |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 13:46
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I've got to go with smuph's criticism of Labrie from DT. His bland vanilla vocals take all the fury out of their most intense epics. I can easily see him as a second rate lounge singer in some summer resort spot in upstate NY. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 21:21
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Would be nice to see Fripp loosen up once in a while. Guess he can afford to be human occasionally. Wish Banks would not drown out Hackett and would be more open to a bit of improv. A little bit of vibrato please, Jon Anderson! Derek Shulman sure could use a smile. Seems to have a perennial scowl in the concert videos.
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 08:25
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-I wish Carl Palmer would put an effort into creating some original music and stop the mini tours of rehashed tracks. -Same for Steve Hackett, we get it, you were in Genesis, put it bed and focus on new music, Wolfbreath was fair at best, get back to the Darktown days -Greg Lake, do something, anything, you're supposed to be this incredible song writer, so when are you going put something new out? You've got a studio, use it! -Bill Bruford, we all want to retire, but you've got too much talent not to let us share in it. Put a Jazz trio together and get to it. I'm thinking Emerson on Hammond and Howe on Guitar ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:05
 for awhile.
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 11:22
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Because if there is one thing prog fans need to be, it's more critical of their "hero's". |
Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 12:18
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It's amusing to me that Rush fans complain about Geddy's voice. Without that voice it's not Rush. My peeve is that the more Neil Peart talks, the less I like him. I'm talking about his views on politics, life, and society. I need to keep the man separate from his music
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Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 13:16
Check the wind before spraying that stuff you might get some backspray |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 13:56
| ^Ha ha, seems like a bit of spray got on you. I don't highjack threads for the purpose of insulting members. That's something that you and Rednight will never comprehend as you do it quite often. That doesn't mean that I'll let people like you insult me without giving you the response that you deserve. You reap what you sow, so goes the old saying. And stay upstream of the wind. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 13:58
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 14:01
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Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 14:38
Hmm, not what I said at all. Perhaps I should have been more clear, for your reading comprehension level, to wit, I see loads of criticism about pretty much every prog band on this site on a regular basis. Didn't see much point in creating a threat to add even more to it. But that's just me. Carry on. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 14:54
| ^Thanks for your input. I'd like to hear from you again in another year's time. I doubt I'll miss much in the interim. |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 16:11
Let me get this straight.......I can talk trash about "my idols"...... But I can't talk trash about you. Just want to know the rules in the world you live in. As one poster rightly pointed out we have enough negativity towards artists w/o creating stupid threads such as this one.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 16:15
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Some people just don't get it. If I took the opinion of every second rate muso seriously, I'd be a poor man. And brother, I'm not poor.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 18:34
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A note for the squimish. These discussions never move beyond someone's flat vocal on one paticular song, or a complaint about an overlong instrumental break. After listening to these comments for 40 years, I know how they go. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:43
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I think the thread title is a bit over the top , but considering all the silly threads here at PA recently , having one about what aspects you might not like about some of your favorite progsters is not out of line at all. Speaking of this I have always had a problem with ELP ruining their albums (imho) by inserting silly beer hall rock numbers in between the decent tracks. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 12:09
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There's nothing wrong with honest criticism but please do not be directly insulting of either forum members or band members. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 13:20
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I thought this was just all comical haha
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 15:26
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I knew an insult, and that's no insult. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 16:12
| I have to admit that this back and forth gets tiring especially given the fact that I chuckle at a lot of Rednight's witty but less crude observations, and I like looking at Tim Leary's photos and appreciate his musical tastes. But, Se le vie seems to be the watchwords, unfortunately. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 16:52
You are of course right Andy, but there are a couple here who constantly do this and it's not Steve G btw. I'm surprised they get away with it so often.  ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 19:39
Ditto have no problem from Permanent Waves onwards. Not so much the shrieking on the albums before that. On the other hand, I do agree with Jeffro about Peart.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 21:28
You're cool, Steve. And keep on editting yourself. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 00:06
Personally, I just complain about it but I love it so much as well. :) ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:24
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 08:33
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Start with Billy! |
Posted By: timothy leary
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 09:58
A fellow who likes Steve Earle's music gets my vote.
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