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Topic: 4th Round Classics: Aja v. Ommadawn
Posted By: micky
Subject: 4th Round Classics: Aja v. Ommadawn
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 07:38
Here begins the 4th round. In previous rounds we did song samples, great PA's reviews, with this round I wanted to do something a different. So I went outside PA's..  what do people outside of this site say about these albums.

First up.. 

Steely Dan - Aja

‘Aja,’ http://ultimateclassicrock.com/tags/steely-dan/" rel="nofollow - Steely Dan ‘s sixth studio album, which was the artistic pinnacle of the ’70s jazz-rock movement, turns 36 years old this week.

After 1976′s ‘Royal Scam,’ a solid, guitar-centric album that nonetheless met a lukewarm critical response, studio mavericks http://ultimateclassicrock.com/tags/donald-fagen/" rel="nofollow - Donald Fagen (keyboards, vocals) and Walter Becker (guitar, bass) set to work on a follow-up in January of the following year. They recorded over a six month period in various state-of-the-art studios across New York and L.A.

The result was ‘Aja,’ their highest-selling album (reaching  No. 3 on the American charts), and more importantly, their most fully-realized collection of songs. At this point in the career, Fagen and Becker had transformed Steely Dan from a legitimate recording and touring band into a songwriting partnership. They wrote the material themselves (with production assistance from Gary Katz), aided by a jaw-dropping slew of ace session players. They’d become sonic perfectionists, scrutinizing every overdub until every note was irrevocably in place. But on the pristinely recorded and performed ‘Aja,’ their attention to detail was taken to bold new heights.

The personnel list for ‘Aja’ reads like a ‘Who’s Who’ in ’70s jazz/R&B session musicians: drummers like Steve Gadd (on the explosive http://youtu.be/UmUfP37d8yU" rel="nofollow - title track ) and Bernard Perdie (whose infamous ‘Purdie shuffle’ perked up the funky ‘ http://youtu.be/sea3lnVgyrY" rel="nofollow - Home at Last ‘), longtime bassist Chuck Rainey, vocalist http://ultimateclassicrock.com/tags/michael-mcdonald/" rel="nofollow - Michael McDonald , and sax legend Wayne Shorter (whose effortless solo on ‘Aja’ ranks among the band’s most epic moments). Fagen and Becker’s obsession with getting the absolute best performance transcended perfectionism and landed somewhere in the neighborhood of Stalin-esque. As legend has it, the duo filtered through dozens of failed guitar solos from outside musicians on the infectious ‘Peg’ before eventually settling on Jay Graydon’s Polynesian-influenced take.

Reflecting on his contribution to the track for the 2000 documentary ‘Classic Albums: Aja,’ drummer Rick Marotta said, “That’s one of the best tracks I ever played on. As far as drums were going at that time, if you had a club in your left hand and a club in your right hand and clubs for feet, you could play. I just opened my hi-hat a hair, every couple of beats with what I was playing on my right hand on the hi-hat, and it created this little sound. I had done that but never ever heard it on a record I’d done because (with the) engineers and sounds at the time, it was a nuance, and those things didn’t exist.”

Reflecting on the duo’s relentless quest for the perfect combination of players, Marotta noted, “It wasn’t like they played musical chairs with the guys in the band; they played musical bands! Whole bands would go, and a whole incredible other band would come in!”

‘Aja’ (which won the 1978 Grammy for Best Engineered Non-Classical Recording) is indeed a triumph of engineering. The surfaces sparkle with sophistication, capturing every performance in full clarity. Listening to ‘Aja’ now, it still sounds like the greatest album ever recorded — as if you’re hearing the music from inside the amps and drum heads. But ‘Aja’ is also a masterpiece of performances, and of the nitty-gritty details (like Rainey’s slap-bass harmonics on ‘Peg’ or the subtle, steady climb of horns and synths on ‘ http://youtu.be/wCtSa0exAH0" rel="nofollow - Black Cow ‘).

In addition to ‘Peg,’ the album also spawned such classic radio singles as ‘ http://youtu.be/Ck1N1I-LzWc" rel="nofollow - Deacon Blues ‘ and ‘ http://youtu.be/Aj54dNhJjgg" rel="nofollow - Josie .’ Reflecting on ‘Deacon Blues,’ which takes its name from the Wake Forest football team, Donald Fagen told Rolling Stone, “Walter and I had been working on that song at a house in Malibu. I played him that line, and he said, ‘You mean it’s like, ‘They call these cracker a–holes this grandiose name like the Crimson Tide, and I’m this loser, so they call me this other grandiose name, Deacon Blues?’ and I said, ‘Yeah!’ He said, ‘Cool, let’s finish it.’” ‘Josie,’ meanwhile, continues the pristine goodness of the record. The song about a girl who turns all the guys heads, does the exact same thing musically to the listener every time.

“By the time we did ‘Aja,’ we’d figured out sort of what it was we sort of wanted to do, musically,’ Fagen noted in the ‘Classic Albums’ documentary. “I think the ‘Aja’ album has so much great playing in terms of what we were trying to do with combining session players and soloists and so on to produce these little ideal tracks for our songs,” Becker reflected. “That was sort of the best, most consistent, and most successful example of that.”


and against Aja.. we have..


Mike Oldfield's Ommadawn

Sound: A couple of months ago, I reviewed Tubular Bells on this site. While I made clear my love for the album, I also said that compared to Mike Oldfield's later works, it left a little to be desired. Well, time has passed, and now I'm going to take a look at one of the true high-points of Oldfield's musical career: the awesome Ommadawn. Ommadawn was Oldfield's third album, after Tubular Bells and Hergest Ridge. It was released in 1975 and, like the previous albums, was a smash hit on, landing at No. 4 in the UK charts. With this album, Oldfield perfected his unique approach to music that had begun with Tubular Bells: a mixture of instrumental prog, world and classical music, defined not by lyrics or riffs, but by an emphasis on intricate melodies and thru-composition. Like the previous two albums, Ommadawn is devoid of individual tracks or songs. Instead, the album is divided into two halves, Part 1 and Part 2, and the music is presented as a journey that the listener embarks on, not as a collection of easily digestible hooks and choruses. And make no mistake, if you approach this album with open ears, it will take you on one hell of a journey. Where Tubular Bells opened with an instantly recognisable piano riff, and Hergest Ridge slowly unfurled with dreamy synths, Part 1 of Ommadawn announces itself with an instantly bewitching guitar melody, played over a minimalist bass line and an ethereal vocal/synth mix. Part of what makes the intro stand out so much is just how much darker it sounds compared to Oldfield's previous work. While Tubular Bells has something of a scary reputation due to it's fame as the theme from The Exorcist, the actual music was far more melancholic than it was out-and-out dark. The opening to Ommadawn, by contrast, is a brooding piece that, while beautiful, shows off a darker heart beating in its chest. While the music soon progresses, in typical Oldfield fashion, to explore different musical ideas flung far and wide across the genre-spectrum, it keeps returning to the same menacing feel of the intro, creating an atmosphere that is both achingly beautiful and quite unsettling. As with other albums, contrast is the key thing here: after setting up Part 1 with it's eerie intro, Oldfield goes off on a tangent of lovely folky ideas played on harp, banjo, bouzouki and all other manner of instruments. Having led the listener through an up-beat, eclectic collection of musical ideas, Oldfield then returns to the more sombre feel of the introduction, but imbues it with a greater sense of gravity, thanks to some truly wonderful lead playing on his guitar. Make no mistake, Oldfield was and is a master guitar player, fitting all sorts of fiendish runs and licks into this section, obviously designed to allow him to show off his chops. To his credit, while the guitar playing is certainly flashy, it is always in service to the music, and never draws attention from the feel of the overall piece. The climax of Part 1 takes the previous section, and takes it to new levels of tension. African drums combine with throbbing bass, haunting vocals and screaming guitar to create a sense of relentless momentum. Oldfield milks every last possible drop out of this section, before suddenly cutting everything out, leaving the African drums to slowly fade and finish Part 1. Part 2, if anything, starts out on a darker note than the music that preceded it. Oldfield combines a slow, somewhat mournful melody, with the sound of dozens of overdubbed guitars all trilling away. This is the most avant-garde part of the album, and easily the part most inaccesible to the unconvinced ear. There is enjoyment to be had, however, in listening to how intricately Oldfield crafts together the sounds of so many instruments into a noise both cacophonous and yet melodic. And once this section concludes, the album puts the brooding atmosphere to rest, and begins a musical ascent that builds on musical ideas more upbeat than what has previously occured on the record. We are led, firstly, through a lovingly played piece played on solo acoustic guitar. Oldfield once again dazzles with his guitar skills, yet never allows them to overshadow the piece as a whole. Here he demonstrates a mastery of acoustic finger-picking that would, in a better world, have put him along side the likes of Bert Jansch in the minds of guitarists. Then we move onto a melodic folk piece complete with bagpipes. Here the upbeat atmosphere is kept and expanded on, before moving on to the climax of Part 2, and the album as a whole. Starting off decidedly low-key, with a recorder-led melody, it gradually builds until exploding into a truly beautiful, epic refrain. From here, Oldfield then moves seamlessly into a storming final coda which contains, without a doubt, one of my all-time favourite guitar solos. The musical atmosphere in this final section is bold, striding and climactic, and Oldfield's guitar darts around it in a truly bright, joyous fashion. Every trick in the book is thrown in to create a truly unique solo, and the entire album finishes to an epic scream on the guitar's upper register. ..Except it doesn't quite. Following on from the frankly exhausting (yet only in a good way) climax, Oldfield sneakily throws in a little acoustic ditty about the joys of riding his horse. If anyone else had tried this, it would have served only to marr the effect of the previous 40 minutes of music, but the ditty is so well composed, the lyrics so naively innocent, and the guitar playing so delicate that this final section, instead of irreversibly exhausting the listener, serves as a final enjoyable few minutes to an album truly epic in scope. By the time the album truly finishes, the listener has been taken on a visionary musical journey, and when listened to in the correct frame of mind, the effect is nothing less than mind-blowing. In musical terms, this album far exceeds its predecessors both in scope, and how cohesively everything fits together, and in how one piece flows into the next. // 10

Lyrics: As with many of his albums, Oldfield makes scant use of vocals, and even scanter use of decipherable lyrics. While there are more vocal parts on this album than on previous works, the large majority is either abstract 'oohs' and 'ahs' used to provide ambience, or sung in Gaellic to add to the album's splicing of world and folk music. None of this takes away from the effectiveness of the music, and indeed goes to show how much of an effect vocals can have even when nothing decipherable is being said. The only comprehensible lyrics come at the end, with the ditty 'On Horseback'. Here Oldfield sings about his love of riding horses, combined with abstract musings and observations. His lyrics mix just the right amount of naievety and wit to come up with a charming little song. As with the rest of the album, Oldfield's strengths as a composer mean the absence of prominent vocal parts actually benefits the music, rather than takes away from it. The album has just the right amount of vocals for what it needs, and not a word or a syllable more. And that is just as great a skill as writing any number of witty mataphors and similes. // 10

Overall Impression: Ommadawn is a truly unique album. At first listening, it may seem somewhat hard to get into, and some sections (the hundred guitars section in particular) may seem outright baffling. And yet it is a textbook example of an album that truly rewards repeated listening. Not, as with many albums, because doing so will slowly club your brain into submission, but because familiarity with the general piece allows the ear to then pick out new unheard nuances and melodies with each listen. Once you know where the album is going, you can start to appreciate just how intricately composed every part is, and even the more difficult sections reward repeated listens. As I've mentioned in previous reviews, Mike Oldfield is a criminally underrated guitarist, and any guitar player with a love for melodic, progressive music is highly advised to pick this album up. The solo towards the end of Part 1 is excellent, and the solo at the finale of Part 2 is nothing less than sublime. But throughout the album there are other guitar flourishes that will captivate anyone with a sharp set of ears. This album stands as a high point for what the guitar is capable of, not just as a show-off tool for rockers, but as a compositional instrument comparable to piano or violin. Mike Oldfield's career spans dozens of albums now, with many high points (and even a few low ones) throughout. Ommadawn stands at the very top of the peak, as one of the best pieces of music he has ever composed, and indeed as one of the greatest pieces of progressive music of the 20th Century. I highly recommend this album to anyone with a love for prog, folk, or indeed anyone with a love for music that challenges you, but that also inspires a deep emotional reaction. I personally would place it above Dark Side, above Led Zeppelin IV, and above Selling England By The Pound in terms of how much I love it. It's that good. // 10





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Replies:
Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 07:47
Alright, gonna try and not vote in all them in one day. Most of them I'll probably comment on before I vote.

Here I already voted Ommadawn. Aja is good, just not Ommadawn good.


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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 08:07
Meanwhile, in the let-downs bracket...


Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 08:08
I got these two pretty recently actually, but haven't listened to the CD's yet. I've heard both before though, a few times each, and from those listens Ommadawn was the one I prefered, by quite a margin.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 09:46
Aja!!!  perfection it is...


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 10:34
Ommadawns magnificence should crush an average AOR album

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 10:46
Ommadawn but if you ask me: Aja or Platinum (another Oldfield Album) I choose Aja. I love Steely Dan and IMO "Aja" is important Album in their career. They changed direction from Aja IMO but Ommadawn is a Exact Masterpiece in my opinion.


Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 11:29
may Ommadawn smack it to those masters of snore rock


Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 14:46
Oldfield... muwhahahahaha. Evil SmileLOL

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 15:08
You could spread your polls out instead of making 40 in the same day


Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 15:09
Oh my, a dawn.


Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 17:43
Aja....never been mad on Mike Oldfield but Steely Dan....absolute class.


Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 18:39
Ommadawn. Oldfield's best.


Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: August 29 2015 at 21:30
Aja for me personally

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 01:11
Aja


Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 06:34
Ommadawn, I love this album Approve


Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 08:58
Again Mike Oldfield won my vote for his cuteness...

...how long will this be? Mistery.


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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:20
Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Aja....never been mad on Mike Oldfield but Steely Dan....absolute class.
 
 
^this...........never understood all the love for Oldfield; music to fall asleep to.


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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:41
^ this twice.  Aja is just awesome.


Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:45
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

^ this twice.  Aja is just awesome.

This thrice.Aja,one of the finest albums ever made.


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:48
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by Nightfly Nightfly wrote:

Aja....never been mad on Mike Oldfield but Steely Dan....absolute class.
 
 
^this...........never understood all the love for Oldfield; music to fall asleep to.

Why is "music to fall asleep to" not a good thing? His music is great for that purpose Tongue


Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 00:26
i voted for "Aja".


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 03:35
Wow .... and I fear there might just be the odd further wow as we plod through the field .... or should say ride the ridge ?

Anywho we have in Aja one of the great seventies west coast mafia albums and for me an album of damn near perfection. As has been noted Ommadawn is surely Oldfield's peak. Despite my misgivings as to Aja's right to be here and Ommadawn's worthiness I'll not dredge that up again, we simply have here two of my all time   favourites. (Piss off spell check, I'm Australian, we spell favour favour not favor, so there. Tongue) Sigh ... I first heard Ommadawn in a house I part owned in the country. It was the same time as I was falling head over heals in love with my darling Wombette. Heart ... this is yours. Mind, you are out of luck.  LOL 


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 04:03
I have voted for Aja before, but in the duel with Ommadawn it's an easy choice: I much prefer Ommadawn, one of my favorite Oldfield albums. 


Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:29
love Steely Dan

but

Ommadawn gets my vote easily


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 21:55
M Oldfield

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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 09:41
OK, relistening to Aja - 

I don't hate it, the execution is generally excellent. The vocals/lyrics are somewhere between beige and revolting at any given moment. There's the occasional transcendental moment stirred in among the general prissiness of it all.


Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 09:57
Oldfield blows away all things Steely Dan.

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Posted By: symphonicman
Date Posted: September 07 2015 at 16:22

Mike Oldfield, Ommadawn.



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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 15:37
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

OK, relistening to Aja - 

I don't hate it, the execution is generally excellent. The vocals/lyrics are somewhere between beige and revolting at any given moment. There's the occasional transcendental moment stirred in among the general prissiness of it all.

Apart from "Do it Again", I could never stand Steely.  I don't know if prissy is quite the word I would use, but I understand that they were studio perfectionists, so that would fit.  My problem is in their halfheartedness, as if they are trying so hard to come up with a hook that sounds like they weren't trying.  I have a similar problem with 90% of Paul Simon's solo work.  I cannot tolerate what I perceive as a lack of enthusiasm.  I am glad there is a website where Mike Oldfield can beat Steely in a poll, and that I am involved with it.


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 09 2015 at 17:42
Originally posted by kenethlevine kenethlevine wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

OK, relistening to Aja - 

I don't hate it, the execution is generally excellent. The vocals/lyrics are somewhere between beige and revolting at any given moment. There's the occasional transcendental moment stirred in among the general prissiness of it all.

Apart from "Do it Again", I could never stand Steely.  I don't know if prissy is quite the word I would use, but I understand that they were studio perfectionists, so that would fit.  My problem is in their halfheartedness, as if they are trying so hard to come up with a hook that sounds like they weren't trying.  I have a similar problem with 90% of Paul Simon's solo work.  I cannot tolerate what I perceive as a lack of enthusiasm.  I am glad there is a website where Mike Oldfield can beat Steely in a poll, and that I am involved with it.


hmmm ... for me Steely Dan is superbly played and produced with pleasant often very witty lyrics though yes, I can see why some people might find it a bit cold and unemotional. Otoh for me Mike Oldfield is superbly played and produced with pleasant often very witty lyrics though yes, I can see why some people might find it a bit cold and unemotional.  Smile

These are two of my all time favourite albums. I gave Ommadawn the nod but it could have gone either way.

 


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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 11 2015 at 03:00
Relistening to Ommadawn... I'd forgotten just how unusual and beautiful this opening is. His timing and feel on the solos is always compelling stuff and it's a little less THIS or THAT genre at any given moment than Tubular Bells is. Falls apart a tiny bit when the ensemble comes in, some of the instrumentation is really unusually integrated and nice to have, other bits are stuff Floyd was doing around the same time. The melancholic brass reminds me a little of Roy Harper's colliery band on When An Old Cricketer Leaves The Crease (also the same year, off an album recorded with Bill Bruford and Chris Spedding among others).

That descending bit near the start of the second side feels like it goes on forever. I feel some of the thing with Oldfield is that taking anything out and criticising it in particular feels irrelevant but honest to god some of the parts are much weaker than the whole. His acoustic playing is immaculate and more in line with what British folk musicians of the 60s and early 70s were doing, which is refreshing given 90% of prog acoustic guitar is either classical or sleepytime rock stuff for children.

The harp/whistle section is beautiful. Horseback has grown on me a lot melodically but the Moody Blues-y spoken word is so flat in the delivery it's professionally offensive to me. I suppose the aspiration was to sound a bit like the narrator of one of the many psychedelic British children's TV things of the time. I hate children's choruses. I f**king hated it on Another Brick In The Wall. I f**king hated it on Annie. I f**king hate it here. Shame it ends on such a pointed flop.

Anyway, my verdict's for Ommadawn. I think it's somewhat shy of a masterpiece but there's a huge amount of heart there and a lot of style/melodic ideas/instrumentation we very rarely see in the narrow church of PRAWG RAWK. Not as much so as the transcendental Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquieme Saison that got beaten out by some piece of sh*t album last round but there you go.


Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: September 11 2015 at 03:58
AJA without an hesitation.


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 11 2015 at 16:27
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Relistening to Ommadawn... I'd forgotten just how unusual and beautiful this opening is. His timing and feel on the solos is always compelling stuff and it's a little less THIS or THAT genre at any given moment than Tubular Bells is. Falls apart a tiny bit when the ensemble comes in, some of the instrumentation is really unusually integrated and nice to have, other bits are stuff Floyd was doing around the same time. The melancholic brass reminds me a little of Roy Harper's colliery band on When An Old Cricketer Leaves The Crease (also the same year, off an album recorded with Bill Bruford and Chris Spedding among others).

That descending bit near the start of the second side feels like it goes on forever. I feel some of the thing with Oldfield is that taking anything out and criticising it in particular feels irrelevant but honest to god some of the parts are much weaker than the whole. His acoustic playing is immaculate and more in line with what British folk musicians of the 60s and early 70s were doing, which is refreshing given 90% of prog acoustic guitar is either classical or sleepytime rock stuff for children.

The harp/whistle section is beautiful. Horseback has grown on me a lot melodically but the Moody Blues-y spoken word is so flat in the delivery it's professionally offensive to me. I suppose the aspiration was to sound a bit like the narrator of one of the many psychedelic British children's TV things of the time. I hate children's choruses. I f**king hated it on Another Brick In The Wall. I f**king hated it on Annie. I f**king hate it here. Shame it ends on such a pointed flop.

Anyway, my verdict's for Ommadawn. I think it's somewhat shy of a masterpiece but there's a huge amount of heart there and a lot of style/melodic ideas/instrumentation we very rarely see in the narrow church of PRAWG RAWK. Not as much so as the transcendental Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquieme Saison that got beaten out by some piece of sh*t album last round but there you go.


"Roy Harper's colliery band on When An Old Cricketer Leaves The Crease (also the same year, off an album recorded with Bill Bruford and Chris Spedding among others)."

ClapClapClap    Love it, always have.

Ref Harmonium .... also clapping. An album I discovered through the polls and am thoroughly enjoying.

Otoh ... while I tend to agree with you re the sprogs, Oldfields flat delivery on Horseback is for me a plus. It suits the image of a dry Englishman out in the country. Something with more pizzazz to it would have ruined it for me.

I think I mentioned earlier that I saw Oldfield do Ommadawn (Pt 1) live and it was way better than I had hoped.



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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 11 2015 at 16:38
Though Aja is not my favourite SD album, it gets my vote (largely useless, alas), as I am not a big fan of Oldfield's music as a whole.


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 11 2015 at 21:19
Aja.

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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 07:45
Originally posted by t d wombat t d wombat wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Relistening to Ommadawn... I'd forgotten just how unusual and beautiful this opening is. His timing and feel on the solos is always compelling stuff and it's a little less THIS or THAT genre at any given moment than Tubular Bells is. Falls apart a tiny bit when the ensemble comes in, some of the instrumentation is really unusually integrated and nice to have, other bits are stuff Floyd was doing around the same time. The melancholic brass reminds me a little of Roy Harper's colliery band on When An Old Cricketer Leaves The Crease (also the same year, off an album recorded with Bill Bruford and Chris Spedding among others).

That descending bit near the start of the second side feels like it goes on forever. I feel some of the thing with Oldfield is that taking anything out and criticising it in particular feels irrelevant but honest to god some of the parts are much weaker than the whole. His acoustic playing is immaculate and more in line with what British folk musicians of the 60s and early 70s were doing, which is refreshing given 90% of prog acoustic guitar is either classical or sleepytime rock stuff for children.

The harp/whistle section is beautiful. Horseback has grown on me a lot melodically but the Moody Blues-y spoken word is so flat in the delivery it's professionally offensive to me. I suppose the aspiration was to sound a bit like the narrator of one of the many psychedelic British children's TV things of the time. I hate children's choruses. I f**king hated it on Another Brick In The Wall. I f**king hated it on Annie. I f**king hate it here. Shame it ends on such a pointed flop.

Anyway, my verdict's for Ommadawn. I think it's somewhat shy of a masterpiece but there's a huge amount of heart there and a lot of style/melodic ideas/instrumentation we very rarely see in the narrow church of PRAWG RAWK. Not as much so as the transcendental Si On Avait Besoin D'Une Cinquieme Saison that got beaten out by some piece of sh*t album last round but there you go.


"Roy Harper's colliery band on When An Old Cricketer Leaves The Crease (also the same year, off an album recorded with Bill Bruford and Chris Spedding among others)."

ClapClapClap    Love it, always have.

Ref Harmonium .... also clapping. An album I discovered through the polls and am thoroughly enjoying.

Otoh ... while I tend to agree with you re the sprogs, Oldfields flat delivery on Horseback is for me a plus. It suits the image of a dry Englishman out in the country. Something with more pizzazz to it would have ruined it for me.

I think I mentioned earlier that I saw Oldfield do Ommadawn (Pt 1) live and it was way better than I had hoped.



Oh, I don't think his delivery needs to be dramatic or anything, just a little more, I'd like a little more expressiveness. If you're fond of the spoken word stuff, I'd recommend John G. Perry (briefly of Caravan)'s Sunset Wading, which has a lot of the same from Rupert Hine. A very good and curious little album.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 08:09
We have that John G. Perry album, and need to spin it more often. It is, indeed, very good, and rather unique.



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