What is "Christian Prog or CPR" ?
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Topic: What is "Christian Prog or CPR" ?
Posted By: O666
Subject: What is "Christian Prog or CPR" ?
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 12:08
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Hi. I saw Christian Prog category in some of music sites and blogs. I really want to know what is this? Is it a musical style? Is this about lyrics? or musicians? or listeners? What is definition of CPR? Thanks
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 12:17
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I have no idea, nor do I want to, honestly. Could it be music composed by Keith (Saint) Emerson, Greg (Our Lady of the) Lake, and Carl (the Canterbury) Palmer?  ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 12:18
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There are some prog artists who bring Christian themes into their lyrics. It really isn't a style. Although Christian music can be instrumental. The first thing that comes to my mind isn't prog rock but Bach's Jesu Joy Of My Desiring. Personally overtly Christian lyrics aren't really my cup of tea and yet I am a huge Kansas fan and they have some songs with Christian themed lyrics. I'll let others who are more knowledgeable about it address your question further. |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 12:23
So Christian prog is almost dead? If this is what you get for listening to CPR, I'm game!  -------------  
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 12:27
| IMO its can't be a genre or anything!! How can I recognize religion of music players?! You said " Although Christian music can be instrumental " HOW? |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 12:49
 What is your opinion about CPR? Honestly this was confused me over 1 year !!
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The Bearded Bard wrote:Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 12:52
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Artists with ties to the Progressive Rock and Christian music genres join together to promote what they call CPR - Christian Progressive Rock. Music that fills the soul and lyrics that edify the spirit! http://www.cprogrock.com/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.cprogrock.com/index.html p.s. Maybe CPR is music for beings with soul and spirit instead of psyche |
Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 13:40
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 13:44
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god help us all... come back Amy Grant...now that was one smokin' babe.. I didn't mind knowing I was going to hell when 'appreciating' her where are you when music needs you... hell.. I'd even settle for a Stryper reunion!!  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:26
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I understand "Christian prog" to mean prog with Christian lyrics or concepts, such as much of Neal Morse's solo works, or Iona. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:41
The Danielson are not exactly prog, but not so far from related prog. And they are known as a christian band. Danielson Famile - The Lord's Rest |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:42
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It's probably a genre covertly started by Neil Morse. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:59
They are plenty of Christian bands in RPI : Barabba, Messaggio 73, Quel giono di uve rosse ... etc.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJgct9feIkg
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:21
Just like me.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:25
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:26
By the title of the piece or by the music being inspired by Christian religious belief. I hope this isn't too difficult of a concept for you to understand... |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:32
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Honestly I don't know what is it?! I don't have an answer for my question to try to challenge about that!! I saw that in some (or many) of sites and blogs (as I said before). I think some of them (sites and blogs guys) "Create" or "Generate" CPR definition and category but I can't reach to this definition. Maybe I can't understand them.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:47
I got your point from your first post. I think my reply to your post is a mistake from me. IMO this isn't enough for make a " Genre ". With this P.O.V we can make too many sub genres.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:05
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A subgenre Christian Prog aka CPR does not exist as such. It is the utmost form of crap to define a subgenre by the lyrics or the faith or religion of the believers. OK, a small minority of Christian musicians create prog music with Christian themes in their lyrical content, such as Neal Morse or Iona, or some lesser known bands like Saviour Machine, Ajalon or Flagship, but that does not put them in a bogus subgenre like "Christian Prog". Yikes!
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:07
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There are sooooo many "religious" lyrics, in not just christian music but in rock in general, why is it such big deal. Are people afraid they're being subjected to subterfuge and may inadvertently be turned into...GASP, a christian? Who care what the influence is for lyrics anyway. If the song is good it's good. Is ELP's version of Jerusalem not to be listened to because it's religious? (insert snide comments about why you don't listen to ELP here). But really, some religious lyrics are sappy and that detracts from the song, others are intelligent and enhance the song. I don't believe you can really generalize on christian or religious themes. ------------- Thank you for supporting independently produced music |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:13
It's about the lyrics mostly I suspect. For those who have a strong religious belief, it may be important for them to buy music with the right kind of lyrics, at least in earlier days the christian music/books/games etc. scene was a distinct, separate and often commercially interesting marketplace. I'd guess that Christian prog is a better tag to be given than, say, gospel. In my youth all music with Christian lyrics were sorted under the gospel tag in the music stores, no matter what style it was. Unless it was a successful mainstream artist of the kind that hit the top 100 sales charts on a regular basis of course. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:19
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Like any other music...some of it is good and some of it is not good. -------------   
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Posted By: Badabec
Date Posted: August 30 2015 at 17:48
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If it is well done, I'll listen to it, may it be christian, hindu, pagan or whatever. Back to the the topic: I listen to Prog Rock at least for ten years and I have never ever heard that CPR-term-thing. Sounds a little bit pathetic... ------------- Mesmo a tristeza da gente era mais bela E além disso se via da janela Um cantinho de céu e o Redentor - Antônio Carlos Jobim, Toquinho & Vinícius de Moraes - Carta ao Tom 74 |
Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:04
I am atheist and I not need this term, but I see and respect, that for christians can to be some lyrics problematic or that they yearns form christian themes http://www.cprogrock.com/index.html" rel="nofollow - http://www.cprogrock.com/index.html Music = Any progressive rock (without distinction in subgenre) + Lyrics = Any christian or not anti-christian themes (without distinction sub-denomination)
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Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:07
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I have heard of Christian Rock long before Christian Prog. I think I have also an album of Christian Rock bought in the 90s but I don't remember the band name. For what I remember it was just about lyrics, there was nothing different from other 90s rock bands in the music. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: freyacat
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:09
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One of the great things about progressive rock is that it breaks out of the musical forms which limit you to sex, drugs, and rock n roll as your lyrical subject matter. It's ambitious music on a grand scale, and it needs ambitious themes on a grand scale. Life, the Universe, and Everything. It's no surprise that religious themes have been part of it from the beginning. King Crimson is a synonym for the devil. Yes tackled the Buddha with "Close to the Edge," the New Testament with "And You and I," and took Hindu inspiration for "Tales from Topographic Oceans." Genesis did a surrealist Christian apocalypse in "Supper's Ready," then drew the Christ-image of the Lamb into an epic journey of personal death and resurrection in their longest album. As has been mentioned, Kansas would repeatedly visit religious themes, until Steve Walsh got sick of it. Can Christian music be instrumental? Can Hindu music be Mahavishnu Orchestra? I do not like the CPR label, however. It seems like as soon as you label music as intentionally religious, you suddenly are playing with one hand tied behind your back. Neal Morse made much better Christian music in Spock's Beard than he ever did on his own, because he had to restrain his instinct to be a preacher. ------------- sad creature nailed upon the coloured door of time |
Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:22
By my opinion label CPR can to be useful for christian listeners as additional information on album cover (similar to ECO label on some products): it is prog and lyrics is OK from christian point of view But if christian artists and producents overshoot it and christian message will be more significant then prog music, in short time label CPR can to be warning for all
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 03:41
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:48
I'm with you.
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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:59
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Neal Morse Prog. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:02
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But is Neal Morse Prog better than James Blunt Prog? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:04
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Prog for Christians? Peh. Music shouldn't be under any beliefs. Unless it's gospel or something. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:06
| Gospel Prog! Great idea! |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:08
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No wait I TAKE IT BACK! ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:11
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Here is "Virtual Christian Progressive Rock Round Table" or "discussion with music journalist Steve Morley and five Christian progressive rock musicians" |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:12
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@aglasshouse: Don't be hasty. What do think the Great Gig In The Sky is?
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:17
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After review your posts in this thread IMO Christian Prog is not a Progressive Rock sub genre and we cant make a NEW sub genre based on Lyrics alone !! |
Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:51
By my opinion label CPR can be used in artists biography in case, when it is explicit artists' selfidentification
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Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 11:12
Well I never really liked that one either. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 12:29
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One of the Progressive Rock important specifics is instrumental side of music IMO. I know some Prog fans (like me) that don't understand Italian or French languages BUT love many of Italian and French band and music. I want to talk about myself. I love Osaana , Nemo , PFM , Lazuli , Cherry Five , Ange etc. I don't note to lyrics and lyrics isn't important for me. |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 20:27
Many people think similarly. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: August 31 2015 at 23:03
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Christian themed music turns up in the weirdest of places. Sabbath's After Forever is very much so. But as the message come from the arbiters of Satan (... Sabbath...) then they refuse to listen. I know, I tried to tell a Christian once about this and was give "I refuse to listen". Well, what God wants god gets. I suppose if you play christian music backwards you get messages from god rather than the devil. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 03:00
No, in the best case-situation just an angel speaking in tongues (worst case: a fallen angel). But I have read enough in the Bible during the last 30 years to believe that God does not practice backward masking.-------------
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Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 06:45
Indeed! I am a Christian and enjoy some Kerry Livgren-inspired Kansas, some Neal Morse, some Iona, some Ajalon. Even a few that never made it (from southern California anyway): Aslan (a great prog band of the late 1970s-early 1980s with Christian influence); Michael Omartian (he made it much bigger as a studio musician for Steely Dan and Christopher Cross in the late 1970s) - to name a couple. But, to lump them into a sub-genre is demeaning. Do not blacklist them just because they are known as 'Christian.' Some of their albums are great pieces of prog! And that is how they should be known... |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:53
| ^ This isn't about personal life of musicians like their religion or beliefs. We talk about Music genre. As I said before In My Opinion we can't define a new genre based on content of lyrics. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:58
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True. It's like calling Bob Dylan's "Saved" a Christian Country-Rock album. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 11:03
I agree, that definition CPR as a new genre is not systematically consistent. But if some artists are talking about CPR as about their new movement, anybody can - by my opinion - accept it as their own self-characterization across prog-rock subgenres.
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 11:20
EXACTLY. By this POV You have tooooooo many options to add new genres. Imagine.....
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Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 11:31
I think, that is possible artists, which axplicitly claims, that they are CPR, additionally to nornal genres mark extra as CPR. Not that we must create table, where in rows are prog-rock sub-genres and in columns Christian denominations Phenomen "CPR" is interesting thing in history of prog-rock
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 12:13
Good proposal
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 15:10
What...in the Biblical sense...? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 15:23
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"Christian Progressive Rock" is the same sort of classification along the lines of "Christian Alt-Rock/Hard Rock/Heavy Metal" and "Christian Contemporary Music." Kerry Livgren's A.D., Ajalon, Neal Morse (of course), Iona and Geoff Mann's post-Twelfth Night solo albums and bands Eh! Geoff Mann Band and The Bond are all examples of CPR. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 15:34
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I have a vague idea (isn't/wasn't Neil Morse a Christian progger at one juncture?). All I know is I love it when the late actor Jay Robinson shouts, "Chris-tian!" as Caligula in the '50's movies The Robe and Demetrius and the Gladiator. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 18:02
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is Christian prog. Check it out, from 1972. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 18:03
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Make sure you let the Paternoster first song get to the end. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 19:08
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At first I thought this was about CCR but I was quickly disappointed. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 19:48
Well, I would say in general there is something suffocating about overtly religious content (for the non religious listener). It depends on whether the religion in question in the music is the same as your religion or not. My all time favourite musician ever, Ilayaraja, did a whole album of hymns in praise of Lord Shiva fused with Western classical music, including operatic vocals and heavily symphonic orchestration. I could APPRECIATE the album from a distance but never fell in love with it. I am Hindu only by birth and certainly not a devout one. I find it more inspiring when Stevie Wonder talks about how leaves turn to brown when autumn comes around (as a blind man he can't actually see that) than about God this and God that (Fulfillingness first finale). I respect that it works for people who are religious but I personally find that kind of music suffocating.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 21:59
yes good point there!  and big hug to you dr wu23  Funny thing is that his great buddy is Mike Portnoy who can't stop swearing but they get along with each other so well
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:07
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NEAL Morse uses profanity. Doesn't preclude one from being a Christian, since, you know, English didn't exist when Paul was around. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:11
Hello Epignosis Morse does? I did not know that!  I am surprised, really. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:14
And yes of course, the use of profanity unless it's meant in a derogative manner means nothing and shouldn't be offensive nor make you less religious more
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:15
You don't give a sh*t about anything. Well f**k YOU. ++++ That's from "The Water," but Morse using profanity before he converted doesn't rule out the point: English didn't exist 2,000 years ago, so "profanity" as we know it can't be sinful as they knew sin. It's a linguistic and cultural thing. Phonemes are not evil. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:16
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Hugs from Africans are evil though.
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:21
Yes .... YES... YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!! F**k you too!!!! hahaha that's from Coming to America ;) the movie hahaha |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:23
Yes, we are very devilish and we live in mud huts while elephants roam our streets I am huggable tho' and don't always bite, I promise  |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:26
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All right, all right, damn you. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:30
hahahahaha!!!! now I can't stop laughing hahahaha! You're so funny haha~!! Aww
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 01 2015 at 22:34
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btw is this track Christian or not? It's obviously based on a well-known Christian song, changed a little bit.
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Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 00:24
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From old "religion disputation" on ProgArchives http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78339&PN=1" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=78339&PN=1
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Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 03:25
Hello Progresssaurus (great name btw) Now I am even more confused as to what might or not be. hugs
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 04:04
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IMO Neal Morse can't make a genre (as everyone) with Content of Lyrics. We talk about music not about lyrics. This (examples like Neal Morse etc) show me genre called Christian Prog doesn't exist !! Neal Morse can "Publish" his lyrics as a book for his Christian fans. Vocal and lyrics is small part (IMO) of Progressive Rock music and we already talked about that . |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 04:23
Really? His disciples seemed fairly convinced. I did wonder at the lack of divine revelations when CD technology was blessed upon us. Playing those things backwards was hell on the needle. |
Posted By: Kati
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 04:31
| to be honest I do not relate much music to religion not even lyrics with God mentioned in it like: Roger Waters - What God Wants, Pt. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtq1_peTXbw" rel="nofollow - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtq1_peTXbw Amazing Grace too for instance makes me feel emotional yet I still not necessary think of Church when I hear that song. xxxxx |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 05:07
. I did not manage to let a CD player spin in reverse yet. So the laser fails not less than the needle. However, a needle can do more damage, as Neil Young stated 13 years before the launching of the first CD player (). But if there are divine revelations, they may be laid bare in an easy way with a freeware sound program called Audacity. I use this for uploading sermons and services on the internet. And if any preacher dares to accuse non-Christian musicians of intentional implementation of messages, I'll put his sermon on the internet in reverse  .-------------
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Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 05:29
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Back to question: What is "Christian Prog or CPR"? CPR is not genre (for me personally ), but it is strange combination of progressive music and nonprogressive lyrics (Christian oriented here, although some playing only with Christian symbols and themes not fits, must to be deadly serious intended) |
Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 08:10
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What are non-progressive lyrics? As far as I know, you can write lyrics about whatever you want and still be progressive rock. ------------- 
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Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 08:17
Lyrics intentionally stagnant in unchangeable orthodoxy for example. I see, that my "definition" is silly, it is joke only - for me is not important take phenomen CPR as drama in prog-rock scene
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Posted By: CosmicVibration
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 09:17
This sounds very intriguing to me, what is the name of the
cd? Exceptional music coupled with thought provoking cosmic
lyrics can be transcendental for me.
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 10:03
Good one! ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 10:54
Ask the composer: http://itsallaboutall.com/leonard-cohen/hallelujah-meaning/" rel="nofollow - http://itsallaboutall.com/leonard-cohen/hallelujah-meaning/ "“It’s, as I say, ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 10:55
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I have no clue what Christian Prog is, unless it's prog with Christian religious lyrics. Not a genre, as far as I'm concerned. ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:01
| ^Hi Angelo. I'm happy to see you again. |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:21
Same here :-) ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: progresssaurus
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:38
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I love story of this song http://dontforgetthesongs365.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/depeche-mode-johnny-cash-personal-jesus/" rel="nofollow - - https://dontforgetthesongs365.wordpress.com/2013/03/11/depeche-mode-johnny-cash-personal-jesus/ And I love, when lyrics is uncertain a little (but with my so bad english it is not problem for me
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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 11:43
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^ Good sample. |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: September 02 2015 at 14:54
Cohen famously called himself a "Judeo-Christian" when it wasn't fashionable to do so. I'm not sure what he is now. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 03 2015 at 08:22
Well put and I'm not really sorry if some people are butthurt about this.  |
Posted By: brainstormer
Date Posted: September 04 2015 at 19:18
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Say whatever sophmoric stuff you want, but that Paternoster album with its Christian lyrics is by far one of the top five obscure prog gems from the early 70s in many people's books. ------------- -- Robert Pearson Regenerative Music http://www.regenerativemusic.net Telical Books http://www.telicalbooks.com ParaMind Brainstorming Software http://www.paramind.net |