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Modern QF #4 - In Absentia v. Spirit of Eden

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Topic: Modern QF #4 - In Absentia v. Spirit of Eden
Posted By: micky
Subject: Modern QF #4 - In Absentia v. Spirit of Eden
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 09:54
Last up for the moderns is Quarterfinal #4 with a paricularly interesting matchup of a very popular group against one of most groundbreaking (and beautiful) albums in the modern prog era.  One who in their own help set the dividing line between the classic and modern eras.


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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 09:57
Spirit of Eden

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Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 11:29
Went with PT here, prefer Laughing Stock. 

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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 12:06
In Absentia. 


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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 12:25
Spirit of Eden

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 12:32
Go Talk Talk.

In Absentia doesn't hold a candle to one of the most original musical works.


Posted By: snowsnow
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 12:43
Spirit of Eden - stunning album (and I'm a big fan of In Absentia)


Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 13:14
Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk Talk.....

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Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 14:51
A decent PTree album vs a great ... album.


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 12 2015 at 15:03
the only no doubt vote of the modern QF's.

Talk Talk... all the way to the modern title...




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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:27
All the Talking.


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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 03:30
Talk Talk

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Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 08:31
Can't vote yet as I do not know much of Talk Talk, will have to listen and vote later.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 09:30
Originally posted by AEProgman AEProgman wrote:

Can't vote yet as I do not know much of Talk Talk, will have to listen and vote later.


enjoy...I listened to that yesterday and damn if the shear majesty and beauty of it didn't bring tears to my eyes.  Incredible album



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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 12:55
Spirit Of Eden<In Absentia<Laughing Stock

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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 13:27
Easily Spirit of Eden.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 15:57
C'mon all you PT fan boys...get out the vote.
Don't let that overrated Talk Talk album win.
 
 
Big smile


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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 19:19
At this point, I voted PT.

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Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 23:03
In Absentia


Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 13 2015 at 23:55
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by AEProgman AEProgman wrote:

Can't vote yet as I do not know much of Talk Talk, will have to listen and vote later.


enjoy...I listened to that yesterday and damn if the shear majesty and beauty of it didn't bring tears to my eyes.  Incredible album


Just listened to Spirit of Eden and loved this style but this is sort of an apples to oranges vote.  Depends if I am in a heavier/darker mode then I am in the PT camp, if in a jazzier/solitude mode then Talk Talk.  Oh what the hell, going out of my comfort zone into the Talking world...tough choice nevertheless. 


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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 04:46
*tosses a coin*

Doubletalk it isBig smile



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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 06:09
In Absentia, Spirit of Eden is just one of those albums I don't see the appeal in.


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 11:18
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Don't let that overrated  Talk Talk album win.
 
 
Big smile
Oh, please.


Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 13:02
In Absentia


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:03
Originally posted by AEProgman AEProgman wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by AEProgman AEProgman wrote:

Can't vote yet as I do not know much of Talk Talk, will have to listen and vote later.


enjoy...I listened to that yesterday and damn if the shear majesty and beauty of it didn't bring tears to my eyes.  Incredible album


Just listened to Spirit of Eden and loved this style but this is sort of an apples to oranges vote.  Depends if I am in a heavier/darker mode then I am in the PT camp, if in a jazzier/solitude mode then Talk Talk.  Oh what the hell, going out of my comfort zone into the Talking world...tough choice nevertheless. 


Clap

good way to look at it. I actually really like this PT album.. got me into the group before all the 'fans' ruined the PT experience (not helped by the sh*tty albums that followed it).  The way I see it .. if I really want heavier and dark.. there are SO many better albums.. but for the solicitude and instrospective musical moments there simply aren't that many better albums than Spirit of Eden. Thus the easy vote.


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:31
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

C'mon all you Talk Talk fan boys...keep voting.
Don't let that overrated Porcupine Tree band win anything.
 
 
Big smile


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:33
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

C'mon all you Talk Talk fan boys...keep voting.
Don't let that overrated Porcupine Tree band win anything.
 
 
Big smile


tsk tsk boys... this is an album contest.. not a band contest. LOLWink


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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:35
To be fair, his post WAS album-related. I just made it more accurate to my opinion when I responded. LOL


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:37
I'll have to give that Talk Talk album a listen. I always think twice when I'm about to listen to 80's music Embarrassed


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:37
Originally posted by SaltyJon SaltyJon wrote:

To be fair, his post WAS album-related. I just made it more accurate to my opinion when I responded. LOL



LOLoh who am kidding... I really like this album.. and wouldn't vote for it even if SWilson offered to piss on me if I was on fire.  I do need to start a poll.. worst alltime great PA fans. DT's or PT's. Wink


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 16:41
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I'll have to give that Talk Talk album a listen. I always think twice when I'm about to listen to 80's music Embarrassed


hah!!   THIS is 80's music man...

oh Belinda...



that Talk Talk album... from another planet's version of the 80's I suppose...



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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 17:02
^ See? I'm suspicious about it for a reason LOL ...also because I had to listen to a lot of 80's cr*p in my childhood Confused


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 17:11
bah....


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Posted By: symphonicman
Date Posted: September 14 2015 at 23:44

Porcupine Tree, In Absentia.



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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 00:10
Now I don't mind PT but Eden is one of those albums that just gets under one's skin. Its a bottler.

I could of course suggest it even has a touch of Marillion about it. Shocked

Seriously, I've been sitting here listening to it and it could be a somewhat off beat Marillion album.




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Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 00:41
In Absentia, although Spirit of Eden is very close.


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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 04:29
Didn't much like Spirit of Eden. Sleepy velvets. Vote for the Porcupine.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 07:15
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Don't let that overrated  Talk Talk album win.
 
 
Big smile
Oh, please.

It's just not possible to overrate that album.


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 09:42
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Don't let that overrated  Talk Talk album win.
 
 
Big smile
Oh, please.

It's just not possible to overrate that album.
 
Oh, please.
 
Wink


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Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 10:03
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:


It's just not possible to overrate that album.
QFT


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 10:25
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

^ See? I'm suspicious about it for a reason LOL ...also because I had to listen to a lot of 80's cr*p in my childhood Confused
It sounds nothing like the 80's. "One of a kind" is the phrase. The closest for a post-rock album it comes to is ... hmph ... jazz ... pop ... ? ... No. ... Jazz/classical/pop/ambient.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 10:50
In Absentia is 24kt gold, but Spirit of Eden is three nines fine platinum. 

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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 11:14
PTree for me


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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 14:22
I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?


Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 15:35
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?

Well...I'm not the one to convince you..... I quite liked their earlier work and Colour of Spring is my favorite. 
Spirit of Eden can be quite tedious at times in between the nice bits. For ambient fans and those who like downers...?
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=165978 a review by Queen By Tor



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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 15:36
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?

It's a unique album, the first post rock album but one that's never been replicated - Talk Talk themselves went in fairly different directions for Laughing Stock, even. There's a fusion component to it you don't see anywhere else, and it's clearly a record recorded by musicians who know the power of a note, a single one that can stand on its own and its place in a group of notes, plus the power of silence, and can improvise with that in mind. This is ultimately a sheerly beautiful and moving work, in both the instruments and the mighty and emotional vocals. And the first side of the album is quite simply one of the best medleys in musical history.


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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 16:02
PT

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Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 16:39
Spirit of Eden easily, top 10 album for me.


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 16:41
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?
I honestly don't know much about VU. I only heard their album with Nico, and it does not remind me of Spirit Of Eden  that much.

I think it all really depends on what it is you are looking for, and you may not be one of those people that it's meant for (I suppose). I'm not saying you may not be one of their target audience because, ... well, ... according to Mark Hollis, Talk Talk and Tim Friese-Greene didn't really have a target audience in mind.

My observations:
 - I like this kind of subtle music. The band doesn't sound like they are trying to impress you. They just take it easy.
 - Everything sounds great, clean. The tone of every instrument and vocal sounds just the way it's supposed to.
 - The album has a remarkably ... ebony-and-ivory character to it! Besides having some classical and ambient influences, the music is rootsy, improvised, and it's got soul. And they've got a great instrumental variety. Points for the eclecticism.
 - Speaking of musical textures and elements on the record: ... they are so damn progressive, though the tracks are actually songs ... with refrains! The beat is steady to hold things together, but the musicians used for the album were cutting some nifty chunks. Quality writing and production.

This is the best answer I can give you. I really do think that LearsFool said it all best, especially about the "silence" part. I didn't get the album the first time (maybe second), but I wanted to absorb every note of it. Worth playing it time and again.


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 15 2015 at 21:39
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?

Well...I'm not the one to convince you..... I quite liked their earlier work and Colour of Spring is my favorite. 
Spirit of Eden can be quite tedious at times in between the nice bits. For ambient fans and those who like downers...?
http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=165978 a review by Queen By Tor



I've just realised you were both being negative. LOL

I'm most definitely an Ambient fan, and my favourite music to come, indirectly, out of the Velvets would have to be John Cale in mellow mode. Ergo TT works for me. I don't get bored with it indeed I wish it was longer.

Much as I do like to hurl my frame about the living room, in a manner someone once compared to a constipated ostrich, really my favourite thing is to engage Guru Sennheiser and become one with the sofa.






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Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 02:38
i voted for "Spirit of Eden".


Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 02:41
In Absentia (2002) - Porcupine Tree


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 04:03
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?


All I can say is sit yourself down in a quiet room one evening with no distractions, put "Spirit of Eden" on and immerse yourself in it. For me this is about the best experience in music there is.


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 04:04
Originally posted by t d wombat t d wombat wrote:

in a manner someone once compared to a constipated ostrich


LOL
That reminds me of my son who once compared my singing to the sound of a badger having a heart attack.



Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 06:25
Great responses - I'll give it another shot : )


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 07:03
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?


Personally, I don't want to humble anyone. I believe I am somewhat smarter than that. However, while I do occasionally enjoy listening to Porcupine Tree (as opposed to bands such as Dream Theater, who give me hardly any enjoyment at all), I don't consider any of their albums (especially the later ones) as masterpieces. On the other hand, I genuinely enjoy Spirit of Eden. If you don't like it, that's OK - I just don't understand the point of asking us why you should find something to like in it, which sounds just a tad patronizing, if you ask me.

Anyway, the point of the whole "Summer Madness" thing was NEVER to force anyone to like anything. As Micky and I happen to live under ths same roof, I know for certain that his main aim was discovery, not coercion.


Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 08:27
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?


Personally, I don't want to humble anyone. I believe I am somewhat smarter than that. However, while I do occasionally enjoy listening to Porcupine Tree (as opposed to bands such as Dream Theater, who give me hardly any enjoyment at all), I don't consider any of their albums (especially the later ones) as masterpieces. On the other hand, I genuinely enjoy Spirit of Eden. If you don't like it, that's OK - I just don't understand the point of asking us why you should find something to like in it, which sounds just a tad patronizing, if you ask me.

Anyway, the point of the whole "Summer Madness" thing was NEVER to force anyone to like anything. As Micky and I happen to live under ths same roof, I know for certain that his main aim was discovery, not coercion.


I come across wrong sometimes and I'm not looking to humble or patronise people. I didn't really see anything in Talk Talk personally on the first run; there wasn't really any discussion or people explaining why they loved it in the first page and I wanted to go in again with a better idea of what other people were going for. I really appreciate the responses and love people arguing for something they love, even if I don't end up going for it. Like, I'm more interested in why people like things rather than whether they like them, there's been some really good discussion that helps me appreciate stuff more in these polls and that's part of discovery for me. I really appreciate all the responses on it.


Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 16:48
Originally posted by chopper chopper wrote:

Originally posted by t d wombat t d wombat wrote:

in a manner someone once compared to a constipated ostrich


LOL
That reminds me of my son who once compared my singing to the sound of a badger having a heart attack.



LOL

Would that I sound so tuneful.



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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 16 2015 at 17:21
Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Originally posted by TGM: Orb TGM: Orb wrote:

I understand the instinct to want to humble Porcupine Tree, I really do but... does anyone have an argument for why Spirit of Eden is any good? The bits I liked the most sounded like Velvet Underground after a calming valium. The rest... nothing doing that I enjoyed.

Anyway, pitch it to me guys?


Personally, I don't want to humble anyone. I believe I am somewhat smarter than that. However, while I do occasionally enjoy listening to Porcupine Tree (as opposed to bands such as Dream Theater, who give me hardly any enjoyment at all), I don't consider any of their albums (especially the later ones) as masterpieces. On the other hand, I genuinely enjoy Spirit of Eden. If you don't like it, that's OK - I just don't understand the point of asking us why you should find something to like in it, which sounds just a tad patronizing, if you ask me.

Anyway, the point of the whole "Summer Madness" thing was NEVER to force anyone to like anything. As Micky and I happen to live under ths same roof, I know for certain that his main aim was discovery, not coercion.


I come across wrong sometimes and I'm not looking to humble or patronise people. I didn't really see anything in Talk Talk personally on the first run; there wasn't really any discussion or people explaining why they loved it in the first page and I wanted to go in again with a better idea of what other people were going for. I really appreciate the responses and love people arguing for something they love, even if I don't end up going for it. Like, I'm more interested in why people like things rather than whether they like them, there's been some really good discussion that helps me appreciate stuff more in these polls and that's part of discovery for me. I really appreciate all the responses on it.


I think I do actually see where you were coming from but for some people it can get rather frustrating when certain acts or albums achieve a level of popularity that appears to be well above that which they deserve. Of course one mans meat is another's poison and all that but when one sees or hears popular mediocrity it can be somewhat disheartening. (I am not btw saying PT is mediocre and hey, I'm a lover of Genesis that certain malcontents around here feel are vastly overrated LOL)

Back in the day, I was totally immersed in what now seems to be called Symphonic plus a bit of Ambient and Electro. I most unfairly dismissed what I now realise were many fine performers. While I seriously doubt Zeuhl or Rio/Avant and I will ever be lovers what I have gathered from much of this is an awakening for some forms that I've never fully appreciated and a reawakening for some that I put aside decades ago and havn't revisited since.  What I have learnt is to stop going into any new (to me) album with preconceived notions. Just listen to the bloody thing and see what stirs, too boot just because I didn't like it in 1975 doesn't mean I won't get it now. It's not all about the massed waves of Mellotrons. Smile

(sorry if that sounds at all preachy, that was not my intent.)


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: September 19 2015 at 07:44
Another vote for Talk Talk, you were right, it's really great and unique! Thumbs Up In Absentia is not my favourite PT album, although it was great seeing "Sound of Muzak" played live the other day.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: September 19 2015 at 07:44
Can't believe PT is losing this poll... Anyway, my vote obviously goes to Talk Talk's beautiful album.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 19 2015 at 07:45
^ I'm not to be honest.  I thought Spirit of Eden was the album that was going to beat it .. if any would.

Well done forum..  nice to see quality trump popularity for once here.


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