http://www.elementsmusic.nl/" rel="nofollow - http://www.elementsmusic.nl/

Brief samples of all songs from the 'Monument' album:

(More short tubes on the 'Videos' page of the band's official website as given in o.p.)

Elements on progfreak:  http://progfreak.com/Elements-165199.html" rel="nofollow - http://progfreak.com/Elements-165199.html .

Definitely Neo Prog. Worth an evaluation methinks... 

Note: Keyboard player Kees van Oosten left the band towards the end of 2015, and was eventually replaced in September of last year by Vincent Kuijvenhoven. Despite this quiet period the band is still active, and there are plans to start performing again in 2017.

Honestly I guess Team's members ignore my suggestions. I will not suggest new bands or musicians here. Its not fair and make me so sad. 

It's all due to a combination of various factors:

1/ So many new acts are cropping up on sites such as bandcamp, who play music which can loosely be described as 'prog'.

2/ More and more new people are discovering these artists, becoming members here, and suggesting them for inclusion in our database. This is good in one respect - it means that prog is well, and very much alive, in the 21st Century! Unfortunately the evaluation teams are still made up of just 3, 4, or 5 (occasionally 6) collabs - all of whom have private lives outside of PA...and some of whom have had outside issues in their 'real World' to deal with just recently which have limited the time they have available to dedicate to PA activities.

3/ We don't have a dedicated New Suggestions Monitor like we did up until late 2013 to check all these new suggestions and pass them on to the appropriate evaluation teams (if considered worthy of inclusion). The last guy quit because he was simply being overwhelmed with work, and the situation is if anything even worse now (even though a couple of infamous serial bandcamp suggesters have been suspended from the site for quite a few months now).

The site as it currently is set up simply can't cope with the volume of new music that is being created, and which is tagged as 'prog'. It either needs an overhaul in its objectives (which are currently to be the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource), or an overhaul in the way it is set up to deal with the ever increasing flood of new suggestions.

Otherwise things will probably just keep getting even worse going forward, but I repeat: Nobody is deliberately ignoring anyone...it's just a case of severe system overload...She cannae take any more, Captain - She's gonna blow! 

I just posted this on the Neo Prog team thread.

Great idea Steve to see if this subject stimulates any discussion down in the caverns below! 

Chris (seventhsojourn) was the New Suggestions Monitor I was thinking about who seemed to be particularly badly affected by his experience of doing the pre-evaluation job. He had a fair amount of (unofficial) assistance from me most of the time, but in the summer of 2014, nine months or so after he retired from the Suggestions Monitor job in October 2013, (after doing it for just under nine months I think), he stopped posting out here in the open entirely (his profile still shows as 4001 posts more than two years later), and I believe he is no longer in the RPI team either, although that is still shown as his main function here on his forum member profile page. He still logs in every now and then though. I've no idea if there were any outside personal issues involved at the time, but he seems to have suffered burn-out on somewhat of a grand scale after his time here in the dual role of New Suggestions Monitor/RPI team member.

I think a lot of the problems we currently have with getting new suggestions dealt with is due to the few evaluation collabs we do currently have in our teams trying to soldier on with the job when they are faced with long-term personal issues outside the site, rather than stepping down immediately so that someone else with more time on their hands can be drafted in to replace them and inject 'new blood', though that in itself can lead to problems with the new guys getting used to the way things work etc etc. It's a difficult one... 

We will check them, but let us take time every Neo Team member is too pressed with his/her real life (I'll have an important exam 2 weeks later).

A Big thanks to David . You right my friend (as always!). I completely agree with you and lazland . But sometimes bad feelings attack to me and make me sad. Honestly , sometimes I can't control my feelings  . I don't know how to explain it now. 

Thanks again guys for your time and good comments . 

Forgive me but please let us take more time. Thanks for your patience.

First I want to say a thanks to Micky . "Ignored by Collaborators" is very "Clear" in PA Forums specially in this section (suggesting....). Raff said "There is simply too much music released these days under the "prog" tag " . Of Course but  you have too many resources about them too. You can find many good information about those bands in 3-5 mins (as I do it everyday) . This is not about opinions or taste. For me , its about honor . 

He hadn't logged into the site for ages before this, and he MUST have seen all the posts dotted around the place about the captchas and access denied problems that we've been having, and doubtless would have had a great pile of personal messages about this farcical situation to wade through too...but has he done anything to fix it? - Has he Hell. 

When the site owner himself doesn't seem to give two hoots about the maintenance and functionality of the site, is it any surprise that so many other long standing members who played such an important part in getting it up and running back in those early days have lost interest? I don't think so.

There are still a few here who care, thank goodness - and who soldier on regardless - but the number is dwindling all the time, and unless something happens soon to reverse this sad decline...something which has to begin with M@X himself, then yes - the site will eventually be as good as dead.

I dunno. I recognise some of the sentiments and frustrations voiced here but I cannot in all honesty say that I share them or in some cases, even agree with them.

At this moment I sit here wondering whether I have enough resilience to keep fighting the CAPTCHAs for another 18 days just to make it to my tenth anniversary, I have a lot of patience in most circumstances but it's not limitless. Like with so many things about this site, it seems so indiscriminate and arbitrary with no rhyme or reason behind it. One of my first band suggestions here all those years ago was about as Prog as it gets yet got consigned to Prog Related because it sounded too new-agey and the production wasn't very good... and from that moment on I realised that this place isn't quite how I imagined it would be or should be and that view has continued ever since, even during my tenure as a Team Leader and as an Admin. My most recent suggestion was an artist I didn't think was particularly Prog but was being promoted as such by their record label and in the music press, they were added to the site without any further acknowledgement or feedback. My view of this site is not a jaded one, it's merely an acceptance of how things are, despite all the changes that have happened since its inception both in the site itself and how it is managed, operated and used but also in the music industry and the world in general.

The point I'm attempting to make is: whatever anyone thinks this site is for or about the reality can never meet that expectation. That's not to say the site isn't any of those things that people believe it should be, or that is isn't capable of being used how you would like it to be used - it's just not geared to be that thing specifically, nor can it ever be. And that means whatever your view is or your expectations are then this site can only disappoint.

Hi 

Of Course its not personally. I talking about "Guys like me" not only myself.  Thanks 

But I daily check the bands suggested to Symphonic and we try to add or reject them in les than 48 hours.

We can afford this luxury, because we don't have many suggestions lately.

The questions are

- Do I enjoy the forum less?  Yes, much less

- Do I still think after 12 years here that PA is the best Prog site? Yes, with all my heart

What I don't understand is people who make life impossible, insisting every day that we should add a determined band.

Sometimes we accept them, and we ask for help with the info...Immediately the guy who insisted vanishes in thin air.

There's a recent case, we've been suggested a band called MELODY with one song sample.

We ask for more and the guy said there's no more.

How can anybody suggest a band based in one song? What's the point to add a band who's album nobody can get? (If several thousand of Prog fans can't get it, nobody can).

People who suggest, should add a bio and at least send a link to their music.

Agree entirely...and I would love to be able to write reviews myself. However, our personal interpretation of music is such a subjective thing that I find it difficult to put what I hear succinctly into words in such a way that it might provide some objective information which others reading the review might find useful, so I don't do it (this is also out of respect for the artists concerned, who are far more gifted and creative than myself - a person who is unable to string more than a few dozen notes together in the correct order on the piano, and thus has no real right to criticise their work at all lol!)

I'm good at digging out hard to find info on the web, and that's about the limit of my 'talent' - hence I tend to limit my activities to the new suggestions forum. 

Are we talking about this 'Melody' Iván?

https://www.discogs.com/Melody-Come-Fly-With-Me/release/1450611" rel="nofollow - https://www.discogs.com/Melody-Come-Fly-With-Me/release/1450611 .

They also did a second album called 'Yesterlife' in 1977: https://%20www.discogs.com/Melody-Yesterlife/release/1303621" rel="nofollow -  https://www.discogs.com/Melody-Yesterlife/release/1303621 .

They were a French 1970's band, with male/female lead vocals sung in English. Their debut LP "Come Fly With Me" was actually recorded as a demo at  http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2766" rel="nofollow - Philippe Besombes  studio, which won them a contract with Vogue.

Collaborator apps79 reviewed their debut album on RYM, and provides all the info you'll need to add them:  http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/melody_f1/come_fly_with_me/" rel="nofollow - http://rateyourmusic.com/release/album/melody_f1/come_fly_with_me/ .

Both Melody albums have different versions of some of the same material.

They are on proggnosis as symphonic prog band:  https://www.proggnosis.com/Artist/4386" rel="nofollow - https://www.proggnosis.com/Artist/4386 .

If you want to take it any further I can pm you some more samples.

This is what he said:

siLLy puPPy wrote: How does it work here when there are only two videos to be found? This is a super rare and obscure album. It seems like it has been deemed symphonic prog on other sites. Since it is impossible to hear the entire album, will it simply end up in the reject pile?

Three videos are untitled, there's a lot of Psyche and hard rock

We asked for the whole album and Silly Puppy said it was impossible..That's all, I have asked a friend from the radio for the whole OFFICIAL release, he will answer me when he has time, so unless you have the full album as it was released (Not the misspressed copy with Mahogany on side B), this is on standby.

I used to buy all the albums that couldn't be found, I can't afford that anymore, I don't even buy all the albums I would wish to have.

PS: If the robot capcha keeps deleting my posts edition, I will blow.

Now the damn thing asks me to recognize photos.

SOMEBODY FIX THIS SH*T PLEASE.

The CAPTCHA isn't a problem at all...it's the 'Access Denied' error that happens after I've solved the CAPTCHA almost every single time for me that sucks. I have to make anywhere between 6 and 12 attempts with 90% of my posts before it finally goes through. It's a damned nightmare!!  Surely M@X can fix these access denial errors that keep getting thrown back at us? It must be a software thing that can be quite easily fixed -  surely all the other Web Wiz Forums on the Internet aren't having to endure this same bullsh*t? 

Sometimes after making me check 2 or 3 sets of photos, the systen freezes on that window and I lose all I wrote.

So I have to copy what I wrote every time

It's simply stupid, this guys  from wen wiz forums are making people hate this forums.

BTW: Just found it's a program that WWF sells, it's not automatic.

https://www.webwiz.net/web-wiz-captcha/

Somebody must be hacking the site

http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10122" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=10122