Classic album FINAL!!! Pawn Hearts v. Octopus
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Topic: Classic album FINAL!!! Pawn Hearts v. Octopus
Posted By: micky
Subject: Classic album FINAL!!! Pawn Hearts v. Octopus
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:06
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and after 3 months we have arrived at the end... big clappies... and frownnies for the two Classic finalists. who walks home with the title ... Vegas has Octopus as a 5.5 vote favorite ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
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Posted By: Xonty
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:11
Recently I've seriously gotten into "Octopus" and I've finally given it a 5-star rating, but "Pawn Hearts" is just too perfect. Heard it a few dozen times now, and it's one of those records that gets better each time you hear it. Almost a no-brainer, but both are masterpieces that definitely deserve to be in the final. I'll be happy with whoever wins 
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:13
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This should be H To HE vs Acquiring, but it's not. Between these two it's easily Hawn Pearts. ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:14
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easy vote here.. in the previous 6 rounds.. 1 vote for Pawn Hearts... 0 for Octopus. So since I am such a fair person.. and am a fan of neither.. evening out the vote.. and voting for the FAR superior album The Big O for the Big Mick! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:14
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Octopus for me. I'm not a fan of listening to cats get strangled.
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Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:17
Stop listening to Rush... ------------- Magma America Great Make Again |
rushfan4 wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:18
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hahahhah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: O666
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:19
| Very hard but I like to vote. OCTOPUS is my choice. IMO This is "The Best album" of G.G. |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:21
Well, since I can't vote for Topographic Oceans, GG it is.  ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 09:25
if only we could... two very uninspiring choices here. I should done a last minute substitution for Pawn Hearts.  Now that would have been a great final A pseudo greatest prog album v. most popular prog album poll for the overall title.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:04
| Pawn Hearts |
Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:06
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Pawn pawns ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:23
| Octopus gets my vote. I love Pawn Hearts, but this is no contest for me. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:24
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Vote for me.... ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 10:33
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Posted By: The Bearded Bard
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 11:35
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Octopus -------------  
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Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 12:21
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Vote for the better album. Octopus. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 12:23
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Pawn Hearts
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 12:29
| I think Pawn Hearts is a tad more consistently rewarding. |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 13:28
Same for me. Hamill is an appalling vocalist, which is a pity, because Hugh Banton is an excellent keyboardist. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 13:46
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Octopus by 0.7 stars. ------------- 
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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:04
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PH ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 14:59
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Tough match. I'll go with VDGG after tossing the coin. ------------- Guigo ~~~~~~ |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:04
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Lawn Parts ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 16:13
| Horn parts. |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 17:45
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Pawn Hearts by two stars. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 17:58
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The Octopus. I am still waiting for Micky to run naked in front of the Pope from the last round if GG won that one. ------------- 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:05
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Doc Oc ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 18:32
hah...  what I said was.. if Octopus didn't get to 30 votes by Tuesday when he arrived here.. THEN I would do so. Needless to say the GG fanclub saved me.. and his Holiness. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: AEProgman
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:14
 ^meh...damn fine print. Neither band are favorites went for the one I liked better.-------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:15
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fine print has saved... and reamed.. many an ass. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 19:53
| Gentle Giant |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 21:48
not a fan of VDGG and RUsh is more like cats on helium getting strangled lol---soooooooo GG.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 26 2015 at 22:53
| Neither album is perfect for me, but Pawn Hearts has more minutes of music that I like, and I like that music better than anything on Octopus, so VDGG for me. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 03:16
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Pawn Hearts, though neither album is particularly strong. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: Komandant Shamal
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 06:02
| i voted for "Pawn Hearts". |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 09:57
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Going to give both a listen this week before voting. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: GKR
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 12:08
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Good friends, my readers, who peruse this book, Be not offended, whilst on it you look: Denude yourselves of all deprav'd affection, For it contains no badness nor infection, 'Tis true that it brings forth to you no birth Of any value, but in point of mirth; Thinking therefore how sorrow might your mind Consume, I could no apter subject find; One inch of joy surmounts of grief a span; Because to laugh is proper to the man - François Rabelais. Octopus, of course. ------------- - From each according to his ability, to each according to his need. |
Posted By: floflo79
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 12:33
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Octopus is like one of the best things ever ------------- 
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Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 12:53
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Both awesome. Pawn Hearts wins because it is better than the album before it, while I feel like Acquiring the Taste is the best GG album. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 13:17
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Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 18:38
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I guess that in the main both of these acts appeal to pretty much the
same audience. Not for them the mellifluous tones of other less
experimental bands, rather they look for something that sets one's ears
on edge, gives them a good jolt, makes them think. VdGG take that
somewhat to the extremes, though there are worse while GG are somewhat
easier on the ear. During the semis I made mention of the fact that if I never heard PH again it would be too soon but dedicated chap wot eye iz I put duty before common sense and gave it yet another listen, yea even unto the very end, though my senses did cry out for it to stop. Then did the same with Octo. Chalk and cheese. Setting aside the pros and cons of cat strangling (or as this is jolly olde Englande might not Badger Beating be more appropriate ?) for just one moment I'm simply of the opinion that GG do it better than VdGG. Of the two albums I have no doubt that Octopus is better written, better arranged and better produced. I don't think there is lot between the two musicianship wise, though the drumming on PH is pretty drear, which gives O a slight edge there. Lyrically O is somewhat interesting while avoidng the cliche ridden, faux spiritual drivel of PH. Ah the points, they be a piling up. Then, to put the matter beyond doubt for me the wee Gentle folk thankfully refrain from beating the badger or at least they have the decency to do it behind closed doors and out of ear shot. That's not to say that PH doesn't have it's moments but sadly there are just too few of them and too many Badgers and/or pussy cats battered and forlorn. ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 18:57
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^ Enjoyed your analysis, thanks! ------------- |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 21:52
It's my favourite GG album too, closely followed by the debut. From their they went gradually lower in my apreciation. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: September 27 2015 at 23:52
| Octopus is winning? Come on, people, at least make it a tie. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 04:05
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Octopus. I like that album, even though I like the albums before more. Eclectic, adventurous... Very good. I like VdGG, but Pawn Hearts is one of my least favorite albums from their classic period. So: Octopus.
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Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 05:07
| Horn Parts |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 07:14
| bollocks. can only vote once.... |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 11:24
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Close run thing as both are great, just going to give VDGG the slight edge. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 14:43
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Octopus for me ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 15:34
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Octopus :) ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 16:29
Whoops ... I was so engrossed in my pontificating, I forgot to actually vote.  Garn the Octopus. ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:22
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Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well. Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:48
No you are not all on your lonesome. I certainly used to feel a bit iffy about GG and the vocals were a major part of that. Through the course of this I've given them much more of a listen and have come to appreciate them a lot more. They will never be my favourite group but I do now enjoy the quirkiness and damn good playing while the vocals simply don't irritate me the way Hammill's yowlng does. Otoh, my VdGG/Peter Hamill collection goes back ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 20:10
You are not the only one. However Octopus is the album where they most tone down the annoying tendencies of their vocals and most are pretty listenable. One reason it is my favorite GG album. ------------- |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:11
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This is too close. C'mon baby, you can win this!! ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:18
If we were going by covers, I think we know who wins; I mean a beautiful, gallery-quality maritime painting  or this  ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:02
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Posted By: symphonicman
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:04
Gentle Giant, Octopus.------------- Master James of St. George. Of the fields and the sky. He used to build castles of stone, steel, and blood. But lines get broken down. |
Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:09
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I like GG vocals mostly---and on Freehand for example the vocals are sublime--Hammil's vocals are the acquired taste.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:54
| I like the vocals with both GG and VdGG. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 02:10
Personally, I could imagine 70s prog without GG vocals, but without VdGG i.e. Hammill's vocals, that picture of 70s prog never could be complete.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 02:31
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Posted By: Skalla-Grim
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 06:31
| Very hard decision, but Octopus it is. |
Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 07:23
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Bloody hell. This one is close. Come on Svetonio get your, errm, buddy the Kommandant to whip in another vote for Pawn Hearts. Might have to create Kommandant NutterAlert
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 08:31
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Two worthy finalists! I enjoy very much VDGG between 1970 and 1977 and of course Pawn Hearts, but GG is one of my top 3 bands. Although I prefer their first three albums and In a Glass House, Octopus deserves to win this. ------------- 
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Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 10:59
| Not a major fan of Pawn Hearts, but I dig it more than Octopus. |
Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 11:13
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I'll have to go PH. ------------- https://dreamwindow.bandcamp.com/releases" rel="nofollow - My Music 
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Posted By: akaBona
Date Posted: September 29 2015 at 16:43
| Very difficult to chose ... Well, Octopus gets my vote. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 30 2015 at 03:31
Yep. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 02:03
Nor would GG's vocals IMHO... the vocals on Acquiring The Taste for instance  There are some wonderful harmony vocals on that one. In general... GG had some harsh sounding, but also some delicate vocals.But yes, VdGG... the vocals are extremely important in the music. True... Essential to the 1970's.
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 02:06
True, not the most easy to like vocals with VdGG and GG, but it can be rewarding if you learn to appreciate them. Eloy, yes... I see what you mean.
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 02:50
| Just to be completely obstinate - I vote for neither - both on par with each other...... |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 06:40
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Octopus is one of the greatest albums ever made. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 06:50
| ^ That may be so, but so is Pawn Hearts. |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 07:00
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^Oh jeez, good point. Anywho I enjoy Octopus slightly more. Man-Erg almost made VDGG better. Alas though this is The Advent of Panurge not the Advent of Man-Erg. ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 07:25
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It's a bit tricky this one. I love the first side of Pawn Hearts, but can't stand Plague. Octopus is far more consistent but generally the highest points are lower than that of PH, and generally I don't like GG. However, I think I'll have to vote for Octopus this time round. Plague is simply too annoying. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: October 01 2015 at 07:44
 +  vs I go for octopus
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Posted By: addictedtoprog
Date Posted: October 02 2015 at 01:22
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'Pawn Hearts' An all-time favourite  |
Posted By: t d wombat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 19:01
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Hey Micky .... is it finished or does this drag on for another week ? Can we cheer yet is what I need to know ? I confess I'm finding it hard to believe that PH was vanquished. ------------- Andrew B “Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.” ― Julius Henry Marx |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 19:09
Octopus is GG's best LP in my opinion.
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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 19:12
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I voted for it but can't believe GG won---thought VDGG would win everything on this site.
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Posted By: poeghost
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 19:58
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I voted for Octopus. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 20:24
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how da fuk vdgg pls ------------- Crushed like a rose in the riverflow. |
Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 21:13
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Nice to see Gentle Giant getting a little love. ------------- Drew Fisher https://progisaliveandwell.blogspot.com/ |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 21:40
| I have got the perception that GG always get's more than just a little love on this site (as well as VDGG), which I believe they deserve... well, GG may be hit or miss for me, but they did work hard to become the prog legends they are. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 21:56
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^ True-- people have actually heard of Gentle Giant which is amazing for a second tier prog band. Artist preference seems to go in waves around here. When I arrived in '06, the Vanders were the tragically hip band to like, then Magma had a big period as did Avant-garde, Marillion, and RPI . ------------- "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy |
Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 01:26
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Well, very true artist preference seems to shift with the wind from one day to the next here - I love both of these great albums equally making it rather difficult to pick one over the other - even down to their beautiful album covers (vinyl) - I have the Octopus original die-cut Jar album cover- But today (maybe its my mood, or the change of weather), I'm picking Octopus! I think it was The Advent of Panurge that did it... ------------- - Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats - |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 04:14
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 07:37
Definitely, yes.
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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 09:12
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 09:44
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Unhip is the new hip
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Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 10:28
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Pawn Hearts for its in-your-face, no holds barred assault on the senses ("How cliche!"). ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |