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Topic: Who are we? Education levels
Posted By: emigre80
Subject: Who are we? Education levels
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 09:35
Based upon the "who are we? ages" poll, I got to wondering if the trope about prog fans being over-intellectual is really true.  If you are over 25, please choose the appropriate level based upon your current education status. For those under 25, please choose the aspirational level: in other words, if you are still in high school but plan on going to college, graduate school or professional school you get to that point in your life, then pick that.
 
(and before everyone weighs in, I know that education level does not necessarily equate with intellectual level, but it's education level I'm looking for here.  If you are a genius who dropped out of high school, make up your own damn poll.)



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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 09:48
In US terms, I completed a Master's Degree (though I was not educated in the US). I also attended a Ph.D course for three years, but did not complete it due to various reasons.


Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 09:54
Never finished high school YET!!!!!!

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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 09:56
^I've got my master's degree (US) as well, and am working on completing my doctorate.  Which is looking iffy at the moment because I'm here creating a prog poll rather than working on a long overdue paper on the French Revolution.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 09:57
Originally posted by Michael678 Michael678 wrote:

Never finished high school YET!!!!!!
 
So read the instructions and go aspirational!


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:04
No choice for technical training schools?  Or are you considering these under the "college/university" choice.  Many people now go beyond a high school diploma but in programs that are not traditional 4 year college/university.  More will be doing so in the future I suspect. 



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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:18
I finished my licentiate's degree last year. I don't feel like continuing right now, probably in a few years.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:21
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

No choice for technical training schools?  Or are you considering these under the "college/university" choice.  Many people now go beyond a high school diploma but in programs that are not traditional 4 year college/university.  More will be doing so in the future I suspect. 

 
it depends where you live. I would put technical training under college/university but maybe I just like techies.


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:26
OK, will do, stuff like dental hygienists, pet care assistant, CAD drafting, automotive....many kids will go to schools that teach job skills to get a certification in that skill but will not attend "college." 


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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:30
I'm under 25, and I have BS in Computer Science (with focus on Games and Simulation), so, I guess, I can't vote.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:31
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

I'm under 25, and I have BS in Computer Science, so, I guess, I can't vote.
 
if you intend to stop there, vote for "completed college."  if you plan to go to law school in 20 years, then choose that option.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:54
^ The former it is.


Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 10:56
I didn't read the OP so I picked the first option (sophomore in high school). I aspire to have a bachelor's degree but I really have no idea what life will bring me in the next six years, I could totally see myself finishing college, but I could also totally see myself dropping out of high school, it all depends on what the future holds for me.


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 11:00
Don't drop out Andrew, get that diploma!

(sorry for the sudden impulse to throw old guy advice at you)LOL


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 11:04
University degree Mathematics

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Posted By: garfunkel
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 11:16
"If you want to get laid, go to college. If you want an education, go to the library." -Frank Zappa


Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 11:25
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Don't drop out Andrew, get that diploma!

(sorry for the sudden impulse to throw old guy advice at you)LOL
Ha don't worry, that would only be under very dire or very lucky circumstances.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 12:17
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

I didn't read the OP so I picked the first option (sophomore in high school). I aspire to have a bachelor's degree but I really have no idea what life will bring me in the next six years, I could totally see myself finishing college, but I could also totally see myself dropping out of high school, it all depends on what the future holds for me.
Just a tad off the topic: The future won't do magic for you, Andrew.

- In my personal experience it's really important for a person to pick the right path for him-/herself, especially in your age, Andrew. You don't want to choose a "career" that will make you increasingly angry, bitter, and resentful with yourself. Go to different career fairs. Get a feel for people and where they work. See if this is something you are gonna be comfortable with.

- Build tolerance towards menial jobs ('cause you'll have to start somewhere or somehow support yourself).

- Build a real, physical community around yourself. Make some friends, associates, whatever. Even if it's not something "serious". Even if you are planning to get into music industry, don't give up on people and connections.

If you don't do any of those things, your future will be looking darker, and darker, and darker. I mean every word of this because some day life will really bite you in the a$$. And the day after that. And the day after that.


Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 12:44
^great advice Andrey.  I remember reading a quote a few years back that I found somewhat disturbing, but it seems to be true in many cases. 

"Average isn't good enough anymore"

Employers expects much more than in years gone by.  I guess while I understand that, it disturbs me because there are always going to be people who are not "Super-typeA-man/woman" and they should be able to earn an honest living with own attributes/personality too. 


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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 13:24
I dropped out of college after failing Calculus three straight semesters...  Cry  But I am in a profession that generally requires a degree (software development), and without being too vain I have to say I am the best developer on my team of 20...  so...

I do often wonder if I should try for my degree, but I'm 46 and work takes up enough of my day.  And I've been at my company for almost 25 years (19 in IT), so its not like I need it to progress at my job.

My boss doesn't have a degree either.

I'm all for higher education, but I do often wonder if its pushed a bit much as the solution to employment issues.  As far as I am aware I make more money than all of my siblings and step-siblings, many of who do have degrees.


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Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 13:25
Have we no lawyers/medical doctors here?


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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 13:32
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Don't drop out Andrew, get that diploma!

(sorry for the sudden impulse to throw old guy advice at you)LOL
Ha don't worry, that would only be under very dire or very lucky circumstances.
 
I must agree with all the advice given. Don't go to college if it would make you miserable, but consider it carefully.  Education, if nothing else, helps keep a lot of options open.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 13:32
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Have we no lawyers/medical doctors here?
 
apparently not, but since I work with both every day I don't consider that a bad thing.


Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 13:36
Ivan is a lawyer, and Todd is a medical doctor. I'm sure there are others as well.


Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 13:41
I attended university but never completed a degree. Afterwards I completed a professional school.

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 13:48
I think many here know that I am a Doctor of Optometry (39 years group and private practice...). No surgery;....exams for glasses, contact lenses, and routine external eye problems like conjunctivitis and dry eye and referral/co-management  for LASIK ,cataracts, etc.
About ready to retire in a few years......so if any of you need free advice or consultation get in line.
 
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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 14:09
I'm under 25, and I have B.Sc. in Electrical Engineering, so, I guess, I can't vote.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 14:10
Originally posted by Triceratopsoil Triceratopsoil wrote:

I'm under 25, and I have B.Sc. in Electrical Engineering, so, I guess, I can't vote.
 
of course you can vote. please read the instructions.
 
p.s. an engineer.  I knew it.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 14:12
^ I'm sure Colin is just goofing off ... ... a bit. Just vote "completed college/university degree".


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 16:48
I'm in college majoring in Recording Production. I don't know what my aspirations are. I chose undergraduate degree for now.

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 16:49
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

I dropped out of college after failing Calculus three straight semesters...  Cry  But I am in a profession that generally requires a degree (software development), and without being too vain I have to say I am the best developer on my team of 20...  so...
I wonder why we needed to study so much Math for a Software Development degree. I still haven't done anything difficult in that area so far... and probably you didn't either in 25 years LOL


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 17:06
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

I didn't read the OP so I picked the first option (sophomore in high school). I aspire to have a bachelor's degree but I really have no idea what life will bring me in the next six years, I could totally see myself finishing college, but I could also totally see myself dropping out of high school, it all depends on what the future holds for me.
Especially because you're homeschooled, consider taking an extra year of high school or work for a year. Most universities (if not all) don't count this against you in the runnings for scholarships. The benefits: 1) you have more time to figure out if you want to go to college, what college you want to go to, and what you want to major in, 2) you have more time to grow as a person and become mentally ready for whatever, 3) you have more time to get your standardized test scores up, to get the best scholarship you can. I did this, and am really thankful I did.

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Posted By: presdoug
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 18:12
I have a college diploma in Museum Technology, and I specialised in Registration/Cataloguing. I have also done work in historical research and archaeology, but am not connected with any of these fields now. I went to university, but did not get my degree.


Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 18:17
Finished high school and hope to finish uni soon.

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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 19:06
ABD (All but dissertation), Computer Science.


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 19:46
Completed a University Degree

I am applying to graduate school later this year, hopefully  
to do a doctorate, but realistically I probably won't make it into one and will probably do a masters. Gotta aim high though right?


Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 20:08
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

I didn't read the OP so I picked the first option (sophomore in high school). I aspire to have a bachelor's degree but I really have no idea what life will bring me in the next six years, I could totally see myself finishing college, but I could also totally see myself dropping out of high school, it all depends on what the future holds for me.
Especially because you're homeschooled, consider taking an extra year of high school or work for a year. Most universities (if not all) don't count this against you in the runnings for scholarships. The benefits: 1) you have more time to figure out if you want to go to college, what college you want to go to, and what you want to major in, 2) you have more time to grow as a person and become mentally ready for whatever, 3) you have more time to get your standardized test scores up, to get the best scholarship you can. I did this, and am really thankful I did.
This is definitely something I'm thinking about, especially since I'm a little behind in a few areas (I'm lazy, my mom's no disciplinarian). I do have a good idea of what I want to study (like you, audio production (among other things)), but another year couldn't hurt with that, either.


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 04 2015 at 20:16
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

ABD (All but dissertation), Computer Science.
 
I went ahead and wrote my dissertation before completing my course work or qualifiers.  Which makes me, technically, NBD (nothing but dissertation).  My advisor thinks I'm crazy but I've learned to live with that.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 09:27
Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Have we no lawyers/medical doctors here?
Accounting professional here, so same basket as lawyers.


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 09:47
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Bachelors and Masters in Electrical Engineering
No more school for me :p


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 09:57
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

Have we no lawyers/medical doctors here?
Accounting professional here, so same basket as lawyers.
 
I hope that basket has well padded walls LOL


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 10:32
Ahaha, let me tell you by the way that the feeling is mutual. Wink


Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 10:39
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

ABD (All but dissertation), Computer Science.
 
I went ahead and wrote my dissertation before completing my course work or qualifiers.  Which makes me, technically, NBD (nothing but dissertation).  My advisor thinks I'm crazy but I've learned to live with that.

I think that is supremely awesome 


Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 10:41
Master of Puppets I'm pulling your strings...


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 10:55
I have a BSc (Hons) in Electronics. Some ten years later I started a Masters of Business Administration and did very well on the first year's course-work and examinations (because frankly it's not a particularly difficult subject). But I decided that while I found it easy, it wasn't a qualification I wanted on my CV so I didn't complete the course. Judging by the MBAs I've met in my professional life, I don't think I've missed out on anything as a result of that.
 


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 11:00
I 'finished high school' or secondary school as we called it here in the UK at the time. We have some 'High schools' now...for some reason.

I done my A levels then fled education. I was very immature at 18 and couldn't have coped with university. By the time I had actually grown up a bit I had a good job paying reasonable money and was too much into enjoying myself AND having the money to do it, so I had no inclination towards higher education. Of course I deeply regret that now, and I'm now too old and 'slow of mind' to learn to that level.

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Posted By: O666
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 11:03
I am a civil engineer and my specialty is the analysis and design of Steel and Concrete structures . 


Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 11:17
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I 'finished high school' or secondary school as we called it here in the UK at the time. We have some 'High schools' now...for some reason.

I done my A levels then fled education. I was very immature at 18 and couldn't have coped with university. By the time I had actually grown up a bit I had a good job paying reasonable money and was too much into enjoying myself AND having the money to do it, so I had no inclination towards higher education. Of course I deeply regret that now, and I'm now too old and 'slow of mind' to learn to that level.
 
I started my PhD at 54 and will finish at 58. You are never too old if you find a subject that interests you.


Posted By: NutterAlert
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 11:22
Bachilor of arrts with englishe digree and master of arrts with kwalitie certificate. Bronze swimming badge too.


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 11:59
Bachelor of Science Architectural Engineering Technology.

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Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 13:24
Two years at a local college (GI Bill).
Four years (three and a half) Sheet Metal Worker apprenticeship school. (I "turned out" six months early)



Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 13:46
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I 'finished high school' or secondary school as we called it here in the UK at the time. We have some 'High schools' now...for some reason.

I done my A levels then fled education. I was very immature at 18 and couldn't have coped with university. By the time I had actually grown up a bit I had a good job paying reasonable money and was too much into enjoying myself AND having the money to do it, so I had no inclination towards higher education. Of course I deeply regret that now, and I'm now too old and 'slow of mind' to learn to that level.

 
I started my PhD at 54 and will finish at 58. You are never too old if you find a subject that interests you.


That's fantastic What will you be a doctor of?

Ok maybe you're right....    

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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 13:59
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I 'finished high school' or secondary school as we called it here in the UK at the time. We have some 'High schools' now...for some reason.

I done my A levels then fled education. I was very immature at 18 and couldn't have coped with university. By the time I had actually grown up a bit I had a good job paying reasonable money and was too much into enjoying myself AND having the money to do it, so I had no inclination towards higher education. Of course I deeply regret that now, and I'm now too old and 'slow of mind' to learn to that level.

 
I started my PhD at 54 and will finish at 58. You are never too old if you find a subject that interests you.


That's fantastic What will you be a doctor of?

Ok maybe you're right....    
History.
 
I'm not saying you should go  back for more education, I'm just saying don't miss out because you think you're not young enough.  Had I done my PhD directly after finishing college, I wouldn't have enjoyed it nearly as much or done nearly as well as I have.  I think being older and wiser (not to mention way more disciplined) has really helped.  Other mature students I know say the same thing.


Posted By: Atkingani
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 15:17
In many countries, just like mine, you go from "second grade school" (high school) directly to the University... well, if you pass through the examinations. Sometimes it's tough since you have to decide about your future with 16-17 years of age. Many give up their courses returning later generally in a different area.

I am a Mechanical Engineer, with 2 lato sensu (broad sense) postgraduation courses which were later converted into M.Sc.




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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 15:36
Completed college with a BS degree. Contemplated going back for a masters, but at this point it doesn't look in the cards (which is completely fine by me).

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 16:57
^ What's your major?


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 17:38
Originally posted by Raff Raff wrote:

Ivan is a lawyer, and Todd is a medical doctor. I'm sure there are others as well.


don't forget our beloved partner in RPI crime Andrea C. Thankfully I didn't have to tussle with him as I often did with Ivan.. a tiger he is..  and a helluva good lawyer I'm sure Thumbs Up


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 17:40
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

I think many here know that I am a Doctor of Optometry (39 years group and private practice...). No surgery;....exams for glasses, contact lenses, and routine external eye problems like conjunctivitis and dry eye and referral/co-management  for LASIK ,cataracts, etc.
About ready to retire in a few years......so if any of you need free advice or consultation get in line.
 
Smile
 
 


a real doctor Wu?

and I just thought you were as much a fan of Katy Lied as I am LOL


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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 17:52
Is Keishiro a doctor? 


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 17:56
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

\

- In my personal experience it's really important for a person to pick the right path for him


that deserves such major clappies man.. that is the word.  ClapClap

for me.. I was pushed into college by my parents. I made the mistake of showing brain activity and a talent for numbers when I was younger so I was pushed by my parents to become to the first of my family to graduate college here in the states.

So I went off to college.. confident in my intellgince and ability to succeed with minimum effort as I did in HS. 

Well college was a wake up call...  oh I passed my classes.. barely as I had developed a substantial appetite for drugs, alcohol and women during my first years of college. So after 2 years and half way to a degree in physics.. I was given a year vacation by my university to get my head straight.. so I did what any kid did.

I enlisted and took out my frustrations on enemies of the US state in the middle east..  after getting my (honorable) discharge I was ready to take college seriously but decided physics was a bit too...  applied..  so went into pure math.  Needless to say.. having to pay to college myself (my parents cut me off in anger after my first attempt) I killed it man. Made Dean's list and all that jazz.. even though I suffered significant PDSD and alcohol related issues.  A semester short of graduating I decided Math wasn't for me.. but decide follow my heart and true love.. history and was a year short of that degree when I met the 'spawn of Satan' over a toilet in the Student Union and she put the zap on my head.  I decided to take another break from college as she was working her way through her PhD program.. I was facinated immensely by teh electrical field having taking some electives in E.E..  So I took a semester off and took a job as a apprenetice electrican.


and loved the job so much.. I never went back to finish my degree(s).  Life is short.. live for yourself.. and what interests you. Yes my job is a pain in the ass as I've gotten older and have to do at nearly 50 what 20 yr olds have to do.. but the job satisfaction beat anything any of you college educated f**ks gets. I help people. .and still get paid damn well to to do it. Yes it cost me a marriage my search of happiness didn't fit the life plan of The Spawn of Satan who never accepted I went to work with a shirt with name embroidered on it.

but f**k her..  I won in the end. I'm happy..  so that is the moral of my educational story. Yeah.. I just paid off my student loans 2 years ago.. but I'd change nothing. Live for yourself.. it if it college.. more power to you.. but that isn't the only path to happiness and material success. 


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 17:59
Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

Is Keishiro a doctor? 


either that or he just gets his kicks attending medical conferences LOL I love being his FB friend..  almost enough to want to be a doctor myself.

He is Thumbs Up


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Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 18:04
Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

ABD (All but dissertation), Computer Science.
 
I went ahead and wrote my dissertation before completing my course work or qualifiers.  Which makes me, technically, NBD (nothing but dissertation).  My advisor thinks I'm crazy but I've learned to live with that.
Maybe we should combine our efforts and see if some place would give us an honorary doctoral.  Heck, they gave one to Steely Dan.
 


Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 18:30
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

Originally posted by infocat infocat wrote:

I dropped out of college after failing Calculus three straight semesters...  Cry  But I am in a profession that generally requires a degree (software development), and without being too vain I have to say I am the best developer on my team of 20...  so...
I wonder why we needed to study so much Math for a Software Development degree. I still haven't done anything difficult in that area so far... and probably you didn't either in 25 years LOL
Indeed; logic, not math.


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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 18:55
Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

Originally posted by emigre80 emigre80 wrote:

Originally posted by dwill123 dwill123 wrote:

ABD (All but dissertation), Computer Science.
 
I went ahead and wrote my dissertation before completing my course work or qualifiers.  Which makes me, technically, NBD (nothing but dissertation).  My advisor thinks I'm crazy but I've learned to live with that.
Maybe we should combine our efforts and see if some place would give us an honorary doctoral.  Heck, they gave one to Steely Dan.
 
 
Yeah, I thought of that. Not the Steely Dan part, but combining the two to get one degree.  we could pass it back and forth on alternate weeks.


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 19:43
Originally posted by Atkingani Atkingani wrote:

In many countries, just like mine, you go from "second grade school" (high school) directly to the University... well, if you pass through the examinations. Sometimes it's tough since you have to decide about your future with 16-17 years of age. Many give up their courses returning later generally in a different area.

I am a Mechanical Engineer, with 2 lato sensu (broad sense) postgraduation courses which were later converted into M.Sc.



It's the case here too.  We call it higher secondary school - age of 15 and 16 - and the next year, you have to choose your subject.  It's even worse in that at the age of 15 (or not yet 15, as applicable), the student has to choose from three streams, Science, Commerce and Arts.  The problem being it is a top down pyramid starting with Science.  If you choose Science, you can always later move to Commerce or Arts.  But if you choose Commerce, you can't go back to Science and if you choose Arts, you must have the heart of a lion...or simply failed to secure enough marks to get admitted into Science/Commerce colleges.  That's the sad state of the Arts stream here.  The best part is the decision to choose Commerce has to be made with the gut because your only prior exposure to Commerce subjects (viz accounting, taxes, economics, don't know what other subjects there are abroad in the Commerce stream) would be a slim textbook of economics that doesn't tell you anything about the subject.  Yours truly wanted to study Eng Lit and his father would rather he became an engineer.  Instead, he became an accountant.  Voila!


Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 19:45
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


that deserves such major clappies man.. that is the word.  ClapClap

for me.. I was pushed into college by my parents. I made the mistake of showing brain activity and a talent for numbers when I was younger so I was pushed by my parents to become to the first of my family to graduate college here in the states.

So I went off to college.. confident in my intellgince and ability to succeed with minimum effort as I did in HS. 

Well college was a wake up call...  oh I passed my classes.. barely as I had developed a substantial appetite for drugs, alcohol and women during my first years of college. So after 2 years and half way to a degree in physics.. I was given a year vacation by my university to get my head straight.. so I did what any kid did.

I enlisted and took out my frustrations on enemies of the US state in the middle east..  after getting my (honorable) discharge I was ready to take college seriously but decided physics was a bit too...  applied..  so went into pure math.  Needless to say.. having to pay to college myself (my parents cut me off in anger after my first attempt) I killed it man. Made Dean's list and all that jazz.. even though I suffered significant PDSD and alcohol related issues.  A semester short of graduating I decided Math wasn't for me.. but decide follow my heart and true love.. history and was a year short of that degree when I met the 'spawn of Satan' over a toilet in the Student Union and she put the zap on my head.  I decided to take another break from college as she was working her way through her PhD program.. I was facinated immensely by teh electrical field having taking some electives in E.E..  So I took a semester off and took a job as a apprenetice electrican.


and loved the job so much.. I never went back to finish my degree(s).  Life is short.. live for yourself.. and what interests you. Yes my job is a pain in the ass as I've gotten older and have to do at nearly 50 what 20 yr olds have to do.. but the job satisfaction beat anything any of you college educated f**ks gets. I help people. .and still get paid damn well to to do it. Yes it cost me a marriage my search of happiness didn't fit the life plan of The Spawn of Satan who never accepted I went to work with a shirt with name embroidered on it.

but f**k her..  I won in the end. I'm happy..  so that is the moral of my educational story. Yeah.. I just paid off my student loans 2 years ago.. but I'd change nothing. Live for yourself.. it if it college.. more power to you.. but that isn't the only path to happiness and material success. 

Wow, that's some story!  Is there an Adventures of Mighty Micky book in the piping someday?


Posted By: Cailyn
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 23:23
Professional degree after a BSc in Biology with a minor in Meteorology.  I passed O levels in the UK but failed my A levels, then went to university in the US so technically, I have neither a high school diploma nor a GED

Ermm


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 05 2015 at 23:45
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

38
Bachelors and Masters in Electrical Engineering
No more school for me :p


BA in English Language and Literature
Always school for me.  Ouch


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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 00:12
Hey Epignosis, another thing I'm considering studying for in college is teaching (either math or lit); is it something you'd recommend, any particular benefits or downsides, how relaxed does the work environment tend to be, do you tend to receive good benefits (healthcare specifically), etc.?


Posted By: irrelevant
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 05:58
Dropped out of Secondary College at the end of 2010. Completed a diploma of music in early 2012. 


And then nothing...


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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 07:41
Masters in theology, and back in the 1990's, also in the old Dutch pre-BaMa-structure, a master's degree in Dutch law.


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 16:03
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What's your major?

Meteorology


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Posted By: Cailyn
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 17:37
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What's your major?
Meteorology


Are you working in that field?


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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 06 2015 at 17:44
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Hey Epignosis, another thing I'm considering studying for in college is teaching (either math or lit); is it something you'd recommend, any particular benefits or downsides, how relaxed does the work environment tend to be, do you tend to receive good benefits (healthcare specifically), etc.?


Teach only if you can put up with bullsh*t on a daily basis.  There's a lot of things (not) ancillary to teaching that administrative forces make you do, and the rules change yearly.  One year, you're comfortable following a certain curriculum or methodology, and two years later, it's something completely new.  It's educational "academics" constantly reinventing the wheel and calling it being "innovative."  It's a ton of useless paperwork and ass-covering tactics.

For me personally, the salary stinks, the medical insurance is okay for me (but exorbitant for dependents), but I do find the retirement plan to be satisfactory.

So in general, no, not recommended unless you really want to do it, but it depends on what state you live in.  I don't know what the general assembly of "My bedroom" does, but I bet it's obscene.


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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 00:07
Ah, okay, definitely seems less appealing now already. And I definitely count as a dependent (diabetic) so in that case it's not really an option. My bedroom's in St. Louis fyi.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 00:21
High School drop kick............um, that's drop out......


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 00:36
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Ah, okay, definitely seems less appealing now already. And I definitely count as a dependent (diabetic) so in that case it's not really an option. My bedroom's in St. Louis fyi.
'dependents' would be other family members included on your insurance plan, for example wife and kiddiewinks, not the illnesses you are inflicted with.

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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 00:56
Ah, my mistake. Still, I'm not sure how my idealistic outlook on teaching and distaste for authority would go in a public school system with a curriculum as arbitrarily and bureaucratically constructed as the U.S.'s, as Epignosis pointed out, more or less.


Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 08:19
Distaste for authority? Have you considered being a) a revolutionary, b) a terrorist, or c) a punk? I hear they all pay pretty well.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 10:34
^ Yeah, ... authority.
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

... my idealistic outlook on teaching and distaste for authority
Why weren't you around when Lenin was still alive?


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 11:02
In the last year of my doctoral program so PhD I suppose I'll say.

These numbers are turning out exactly how you would expect if you didn't do the survey.


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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 12:21
Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Distaste for authority? Have you considered being a) a revolutionary, b) a terrorist, or c) a punk? I hear they all pay pretty well.
Maybe I'll be all three!
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

... my idealistic outlook on teaching and distaste for authority
Why weren't you around when Lenin was still alive?
How do you know I wasn't?


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 12:27
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Distaste for authority? Have you considered being a) a
revolutionary, b) a terrorist, or c) a punk? I hear they all pay pretty
well.
Maybe I'll be all three!
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

... my idealistic outlook on teaching and distaste for authority
<span style="line-height: 18.2px;">Why weren't you around when Lenin was still alive?</span>
How do you know I wasn't?
because as an anti-authoritarian you would have died in one of his concentration camps?


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Posted By: emigre80
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 12:46
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Distaste for authority? Have you considered being a) a revolutionary, b) a terrorist, or c) a punk? I hear they all pay pretty well.
Maybe I'll be all three!
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

... my idealistic outlook on teaching and distaste for authority
Why weren't you around when Lenin was still alive?
How do you know I wasn't?
 
because since he died in 1924 you would have to be at least 91 now to have overlapped with him and even for PA that's kind of old.


Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 14:03
Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

Originally posted by Polymorphia Polymorphia wrote:

Distaste for authority? Have you considered being a) a revolutionary, b) a terrorist, or c) a punk? I hear they all pay pretty well.
Maybe I'll be all three!
Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

Originally posted by Ozark Soundscape Ozark Soundscape wrote:

... my idealistic outlook on teaching and distaste for authority
Why weren't you around when Lenin was still alive?
How do you know I wasn't?

Because you're like 10


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wtf


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 14:07
^ ... No, he's older than that (about 15, I believe).


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 15:09
Originally posted by Cailyn Cailyn wrote:

Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by Dayvenkirq Dayvenkirq wrote:

^ What's your major?
Meteorology


Are you working in that field?

No. I'm working in the science realm, but the road to a meteorological job was fraught with much emptiness. Tongue


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Posted By: Ozark Soundscape
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 15:29
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

because as an anti-authoritarian you would have died in one of his concentration camps?
Never said I lived in Russia

Maybe I'm a vampire, or an elf. Maybe an elfpire?


Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 00:16
Attending college with the aspiration of finishing with a associates or bachelors.

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 00:32
^ What's the major you are going for?


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 01:28
Can someone explain to a non-US person what 'major' and 'minor' actually means in the American degree system. I believe that majoring in History means that the degree emphasises History as its main subject as part of a core curriculum, whereas in the UK if you are reading History then the whole curriculum will be structured around that subject ... Is this interpretation correct?

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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 02:46
^ Pretty much, but getting a minor does not have to be a part of your core curriculum. My major is Computer Science, but I was also offered an opportunity to get a minor in Math. I could apply for the minor and take minor-related classes at any time, be that during or after I've completed my course work for the major. I was told that getting a minor in Math could just be a nice thing to put on my resume, a bonus, a thing that would or would not improve my chances at getting a certain job offer. I could take linear algebra (and, I believe, a couple more courses), and - done deal. But I didn't, just to save the money.


Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 03:13
University degree Smile

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Posted By: Polymorphia
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 09:51
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Can someone explain to a non-US person what 'major' and 'minor' actually means in the American degree system. I believe that majoring in History means that the degree emphasises History as its main subject as part of a core curriculum, whereas in the UK if you are reading History then the whole curriculum will be structured around that subject ... Is this interpretation correct?
What would be an example of the difference between having History as the main subject in a core curriculum and having the curriculum structured around History?

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Posted By: bloodnarfer
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 10:48
A minor is a worthless bullet point you add to your resume.  Uni makes you take X classes unrelated to your major so you have to spend more money and fill out your credits with junk classes.  You figure you'll do them all in one subject so you aren't completely wasting your time and you can at least get a minor.

Turns out no one gives two sh*ts what your minor is; you're better of goofing off and taking history of the beatles or wine tasting or whatever class the football players are in.


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Posted By: twalsh
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 13:19
MA in counselling Psychology here and licensed therapist.  None of my peers really like prog, strangely.  Unhappy

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Posted By: Triceratopsoil
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 13:33
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Can someone explain to a non-US person what 'major' and 'minor' actually means in the American degree system. I believe that majoring in History means that the degree emphasises History as its main subject as part of a core curriculum, whereas in the UK if you are reading History then the whole curriculum will be structured around that subject ... Is this interpretation correct?


For degrees whose core classes don't fill all your credits, you can focus your other classes in one area.  For example I have a couple friends majoring in computer science and minoring in Russian language, they basically take 1-2 Russian classes a semester.

In Engineering (like I took) that's not possible, the closest I came to having a "minor" is that I took 2 classes on Canadian history throughout my entire degree.  We already have 6-7 classes per semester.


Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 13:42
Originally posted by ProgMetaller2112 ProgMetaller2112 wrote:

University degree Smile
What's your major and degree?


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: October 09 2015 at 20:21
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Can someone explain to a non-US person what 'major' and 'minor' actually means in the American degree system. I believe that majoring in History means that the degree emphasises History as its main subject as part of a core curriculum, whereas in the UK if you are reading History then the whole curriculum will be structured around that subject ... Is this interpretation correct?


Yes. That's about the jist. For example, about 70% of the total credits required for me to graduate had to be in math, 20% had to be in related science fields (physics and comp sci), and 10% had to be in general liberal education requirements. A minor is essentially worthless from a career standpoint and does little more than to admit a specialization with your electives. A minor will usually consist of taking the foundational courses for a subject area but not require much of the technical mastery.


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Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: October 10 2015 at 07:22
Master's degree in philosophy and art history. Thesis was about the role of the genius in art.


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