Three From King Crimson
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Topic: Three From King Crimson
Posted By: the lighthouse keepe
Subject: Three From King Crimson
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 06:20
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Interested to find out which of the three KC albums in the list is your favourite? I know ITCOTCK is a special album amongst Crimson fans,so ive deliberately left this album out of the choices! JUST PICK YOUR FAVOURITE. ------------- "Hello sun.Hello bird. Hello my lady. Hello breakfast.May I buy you again tomorrow?" |
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 06:23
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Lizard, easily. It has a delicate complexity unlike any other KC album. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Horizons
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 08:04
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Islands, even if In the Court was included. I know most King Crimson albums have their unique sound or approach, but I feel Islands has that little extra quirk and style than many of the other albums of the classic era. Plus, unlike the other albums from this poll - Islands does not have a weak track whatsoever. Lizard would be my second place choice though. I'm not a huge fan of King Crimson's first two releases.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 08:33
lizard is possibly my fave KC album |
Evolver wrote:Posted By: O666
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 09:06
| Islands but not easily. Lizard is very unique album (just like Islands) and is my second choice in this list. Islands have a very impressive sad atmosphere for me . |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 09:07
| Lizard is my favourite KC album. Islands is great too. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 09:21
| Three great albums on their own right, quite unique an different from each other, still maintaining the Crimson sound of that time . I know that ITWOP and Islands don't have a good reputation, but I enjoy them very much. No vote from me. |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 09:34
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Tough one. They're all so wonderful and unique. ------------- 
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 09:35
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Islands > In the Wake of Poseidon > Lizards ------------- 
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Posted By: Imperial Zeppelin
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 09:50
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Eye lands. All three are excellent. ------------- "Hey there, Dog Man, now I drink from your bowl." |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 10:25
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What a righteous matchup of albums. It's Lizard, though, as it's got a little something for everyone - just look at the album's artwork! ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 11:44
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1. Lizard 2. ITWOP 3. Islands has its moments but it is one of my least favorite Crim albums. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Sagichim
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 11:54
| As a whole I prefer Islands but the song Lizard is one of Crimson's finest moments. |
Posted By: Svetonio
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 12:40
| Islands this time. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 13:40
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Hmmm....I'm a fan of all of those and KC in general. I'll go with the underdog here and cast my vote for Poseidon....the title track is one of my favorite mellotron laced KC epics with great lyrics by Sinfield. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 14:05
Same here. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005  |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 15:02
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Lizard ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 15:56
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Islands; such a unique and beautiful album. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 16:07
Can't choose between the last two 
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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 17:23
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Lizard -------------  
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Posted By: Michael678
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 17:35
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in order from good to great: 3. Islands 2. Lizard 1. In the Wake of Poseidon ...yeah, it's a Court ripoff, but whatever!! ------------- Progrockdude |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 19:47
| My vote is for Lizard. I really dislike Islands. I need to listen to In the Wake of Poseidon just because it's been so long since I have. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 07 2015 at 22:20
| Not really a fan of any of this... at least not as a whole, though they all have their moments. I guess in the end it's a match between the song "In the Wake of Poseidon" and the duo "Prince Rupert Awakes / Bolero"... which is a rather difficult choice for me, since I love both. |
Posted By: sublime220
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 09:31
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It may have been a complete copy of the first album but ITW did a perfect complete copy of the first album. ------------- There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 12:39
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Love em all, but I voted for Islands. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 12:41
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I don't have a problem with ITWOP being a so-called 'rip off' of Court......no doubt they were still in that type of writing style and some of those might have even been written in raw form while they were still touring with Court. Personally I like the album quite a bit and wish they had done another one in a similar style. Lizard has some similar qualities/structure with the first two but with Islands Fripp broke into new areas. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 13:08
| Earth, stream, and tree return to the sea. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 13:57
It's not a rip off. However, "Pictures Of A City" is far too close in structure to "21st Century Schizoid Man", and "In The Wake Of Poseidon" is a lesser copy of "Epitaph". To me is sounds like a band desperate to fill out the time on the second album, while the group itself was coming apart. That could be why those two tracks do not come off as original compositions. The rest of the album was completely fresh. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 14:52
While there's some truth in the structure thing most prog bands (and reg bands) in their early stages sound alike on many of their early albums.....so then we can say the same thing about almost all bands...? ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: ole-the-first
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 16:03
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Islands
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 16:54
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Poseidon gets my vote, even though it does sound a bit too much like the debut. I find Islands somewhat soporific, and Lizard is spoiled for me by Gordon Haskell's vocals - though instrumentally it is one of the band's finest albums, hands down. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 17:02
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 17:09
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Steve, no offense meant to your friend. I am aware of his post-Lizard career, and I am sure it is not his fault if his voice does not sound his best on that album. However, I would be lying if I said it does not detract from the experience. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 17:32
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^No problem. I'm a little too protective of my friends at times. All the best to you.
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: October 08 2015 at 22:08
| As for the "Copy of the first album" concept for Poseidon, the idea of it copying the first album doesn't bother me (which I do believe is a copy, song by song, at least for the first side... the second one not so much). But what bothers me is that non of the equivalent songs holds a candle to their peers from the first album... except for the title song, which I do like a lot, but I still like much better Epitaph. |
Posted By: frajo99
Date Posted: October 09 2015 at 23:23
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1) Lizard 2) Islands 3) In the Wake of Poseidon In the Wake of Poseidon would be a great album if I hadn't already heard In the Court of the Crimson King. The only song that really stands out as original is Cat Food, which is a fantastic song in my opinion. Still though, In the Wake of Poseidon has to go last for lack of originality. Islands is a better balanced album overall than Lizard. I don't actually like the songs Indoor Games or Happy Family, and Gordon Haskell's vocals don't fit King Crimson very well in my opinion. For me, though, Lizard wins out over Islands purely on the merits of the songs Lizard and Cirkus. Lizard is, in my opinion, the best of all King Crimson songs.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: October 10 2015 at 09:20
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For me Islands, Lizard, then In the Wake of Poseidon. All pretty close and I find the differences between them to be quite interesting. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: October 10 2015 at 09:24
| In The Wake Of Poseidon. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: October 10 2015 at 17:55
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Poseidon. One of the things that bugs (intrigues) me is how limited and controlled we are by format. Chances are the band writers were on a particular stream of ideas. Some turn up on the debut with the rest on here. Perhaps if CD had been the format du jour our perceptions of In The Court of The Crimson Poseidon would not be so defined by the limitations of a record but seen as one complete entity. Anyway Lizard is a terrific album (you get the prog lot there) and Islands has ideas that all could have been albums in their own right. |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: November 21 2015 at 20:05
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Lizard > ITWOP > Islands I love all three (more so than any other album King Crimson released after them) but Lizard is by far the most intricate in terms of composition and the most groundbreaking of the three. Even though Gordon Haskell's vocals on "Happy Family" are a little irritating, that song does only make up 4 minutes out of 40. For the most part, the album's a masterpiece. "In The Wake Of Poseidon" really gets a worse rap than it should. Side two is in no way similar to "In The Court Of The Crimson King" at all and, while the title track isn't as good as "Epitaph", "Pictures of A City" and "21st Century Schizoid Man" are on par with each other and "Cadence And Cascade" is far better than "I Talk To The Wind". And while the band's debut is a more solid single entity with better flow from song to song, I find the material on ITWOP to be superior when listened in isolation. Plus Fripp's acoustic work on "Peace: A Theme" is an underrated little gem. "Islands", while I don't care for most of the material on it, really is quite a special album. The last two songs are some of the best the band ever did and the pairing of the album art and the loose, open structure of the album really provide a level of world building that I don't see too often in music. ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: stegor
Date Posted: November 21 2015 at 22:29
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I love them all, but I'm going to go with Poseidon only because of the impact it had on me when I first heard it. The title track transported me, almost an out-of-body experience. I can't even describe it, but I'll never forget it. The combination of Lake's voice singing Sinfield's lyrics and the Mellotrons with Fripp's acoustic guitar and Mike Giles' drumming... it sounded so vast and expansive as I lay on the floor in the dark with my head positioned perfectly between the speakers, drooling... |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: November 21 2015 at 22:31
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Lizard for me but all good ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: TheLionOfPrague
Date Posted: November 21 2015 at 23:28
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In the Wake of Poseidon. Very underrated, it's my third favorite album from KC after the debut and Red. ------------- I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place |
Posted By: Terakonin
Date Posted: November 21 2015 at 23:41
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Easily Lizard. ------------- You left a note in your perfect script Stay as long as you like I haven't left your bed since |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: November 22 2015 at 04:23
by a mile Poseidon is a remake of Court - the A-side anyways - and Islands is fairly weak, IMHO) |
Posted By: MFP
Date Posted: November 22 2015 at 08:28
| Lizard |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: November 22 2015 at 11:40
 ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Rando
Date Posted: November 23 2015 at 00:46
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Undoubtedly Lizard - Recently bought the 40th Anniversary Series edition-which includes the audio CD, with 5.1 Surround Sound mix by Steven Wilson & Robert Fripp---Haven't got to the whole package yet but eventually will-I still stick to my old vinyl copy for now. Lizard is my favorite KC album - Its the first time I heard progressive rock & jazz or jazz fusion-maybe one of the earliest examples of such a mixture-Almost like Chicago or Blood, Sweat, & Tears meet Robert Fripp!- The second half "Lizard" is fantastic with Jon Anderson singing on the section "Prince Rupert Awakes" - And once again Fripps powerful mellotron brings it all together-  ------------- - Music is Life, that's why our hearts have beats - |