neo prog - yummy or not yummy?
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Topic: neo prog - yummy or not yummy?
Posted By: stonebeard
Subject: neo prog - yummy or not yummy?
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 01:10
YUMMY!!!!! ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 01:10
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Good...
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 01:24
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I like neo prog but don't really know if I would describe it as "yummy". -------------  |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 02:05
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Sure ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Eetu Pellonpaa
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 02:13
Nap. 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 11:28
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 12:08
Guess 
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 12:11
It's not really that yummy.. mostly it sucks. 
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Posted By: Politician
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 12:22
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Not very yummy. I do have a fair bit of neo-prog in my collection, but
very little of it gets a regular play. |
Posted By: Wolf Spider
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 13:19
Yummy... but not as yummy as prog metal
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Posted By: NetsNJFan
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 15:46
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not yummy ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 15:47
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 15:49
Some Neo-Prog can be really good like Pendragon and Marillion, other just suck 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 15:51
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Posted By: gdub411
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 15:55
Yummy Yummy Yummy I got neo-prog in my tummy.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 16:22
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Posted By: cucacola54
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 17:05
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i like some bands.. especially IQ and Arena ------------- Most listened albums last week 
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Posted By: The Prognaut
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 18:02
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Quite yummy!
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Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 20:22
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I voted ------------- I'm always almost unlucky _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ Id5ZcnjXSZaSMFMC Id5LM2q2jfqz3YxT |
Posted By: Scrambled_Eggs
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 20:34
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I consider it good, maybe not particulary great, but it does 'ave many yummy moments. ------------- And I am not frightened of dying, any time will do, I don't mind. Why should I be frightened of dying? There's no reason for it, you've gotta go sometime. I never said I was frightened of dying. |
Posted By: -bp-
Date Posted: August 23 2005 at 22:36
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some yummy...some icky...
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Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 01:48
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Sorry but I dislike Neo Prog, ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 02:11
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It's pretty good...tho ill say not yummy out of spite ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 13:58
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IQ is awesome.....and so is Marillion, Pendragon, and some of Arena. I'll vote YUMMY ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 14:02
| I'm with Stonebeard - IQ, Pendragon, Arena are all great. |
Posted By: Ed_The_Dead
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 14:18
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not that yummy... MArillion is great, though ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ed_the_dead/?chartstyle=asimpleblue5"> 
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Posted By: Syntharachnid
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 14:50
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I don't have much in my collection, but from the little that I've heard I'll say yummy. I'm still all for good ol' Symph prog though! ------------- 
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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 15:03
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Yucky yucky yucky yucky! Icky icky!! Ewwwwwwwww!
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Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 15:48
| I really like it personally; sure it's derivative, but I prefer the more traditional sound of bands like Marillion, IQ and Pendragon to the progressive metal genre. There are some undoubted masterworks in the neo prog idiom like 'Misplaced Childhood', 'Script...', 'The Masquerade Overture' and 'Dark Matter', plus some brilliant ones like 'The Wake', 'The Jewel' and 'The Sentinel'. |
Posted By: Arsillus
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 15:56
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I concur. It's not on my plate. |
Trouserpress wrote:Posted By: R.Darkmoon
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 19:16
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I voted yummy but it's more like some "dishes" are yummy and others
aren't. I like a lot ARENA, PENDRAGON and IQ but suprisingly I don't
like MARILLION
------------- I'm not antisocial, I just don't like wasting my breath... |
Posted By: Hierophant
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 20:29
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It just has that God awful sound - you just know it when you hear it
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Posted By: Borealis
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 21:16
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If neo-prog was a tree, I'd cut it, burn it, then burry the ashes... ------------- Vive le Québec libre!... |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 27 2005 at 23:14
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Posted By: Hibou
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 00:22
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Yummy! ------------- [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b311/Progueuse/Album.jpg"> Gene Police: You!! Out of the pool! |
Posted By: floydaholic
Date Posted: August 28 2005 at 21:53
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It does not float my boat. ------------- I'll see you on the Darkside of the moon... |
Posted By: Fearless
Date Posted: August 29 2005 at 00:52
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What does it taste like to you? I personally think it taste's like small candies and lolly pops ------------- If you don't stand up You don't stand a chance! |
Posted By: Cygnus X-2
Date Posted: August 29 2005 at 01:26
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I think it makes as a good spread to put on toast. ------------- 
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Posted By: Damen
Date Posted: August 29 2005 at 09:21
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Not yummy, I HAVE TO PURGE ------------- "It's amazing that we've been able to put up with each other for 35 years. Most marriages don't last that long these days." -Chris Squire |
Posted By: proger
Date Posted: August 29 2005 at 11:20
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yummy, but less yummy then the good old prog... ------------- ...live for tomorrow... |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: August 29 2005 at 23:29
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Aside from Fish-era Marillion and IQ's Dark Matter, I don't like most neo-prog that I've heard ... ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: wtmoore
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:42
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Yummy for Marillion Not Yummy for all the others { Marillion Wannabes} |
Posted By: stripthesoul
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:44
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Posted By: stripthesoul
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 15:46
I like my neo-prog best in a light cream sauce over pasta. 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: August 31 2005 at 16:13
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that's my favorite dinner. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: the dragon
Date Posted: September 01 2005 at 08:57
 ------------- Still alive... |
Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: September 01 2005 at 14:37
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 16:40
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scrumpious... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Arnold Layne
Date Posted: September 02 2005 at 16:46
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not my favorite but i still listen to bands like marillion or arena from time to time ------------- HELP! |
Posted By: DACE
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 02:38
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It's the most predictable style related to prog. The only band I can really listen to (though not very often) is Marillion. The rest just bore me to death. |
Posted By: Mlaen
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 15:50
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Hm...
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Posted By: Odysseus
Date Posted: September 16 2005 at 20:44
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 15:11
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I voted yummy, but then you were probably expecting that. Neo in my collection are:
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 15:19
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I agree ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 15:33
Nice collection Limey, but where's the Jadis? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 16:11
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Hi Fan Haven't had chance to investigate Jadis yet. Might have a try next month. Been buying too many CDs of late. I am Look! I can stop using Amazon one click anytime I want to |
.Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 16:25
^^ ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 16:40
| Thanks for the recommendation Fan but I think I'll give them a miss. It's not that I don't like their music - I have just come off their site with their excerpts and they sound pretty good. But I'm afraid it's like IQ again in that the drumming goes right through me and severely interferes with my listening. It's the old finger-nails on a blackboard with me. Must be me, I reckon, but the drumming sounds like they have got the cheapest kiddies drum from toys-r-us and put some dried peas for the snare effect. I've tried with IQ (Ever is the worst) and I can't seem to get my audio faculties to put the drumming in the background. Thanks again. Off to give Proto Kaw a try |
Posted By: Simkim
Date Posted: September 17 2005 at 21:43
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Not yummy. I must confess that I dislike even the genre leading bands.
Neo prog was the product of a time when the classical prog bands were
on the decline. Ok, there are some good albums, even in the 90s
(Quidam), but not as progressive rock. The early 80s have already
passed, and there are much better prog bands. In short, it sucks |
Posted By: Prodigal
Date Posted: September 18 2005 at 16:13
Agreed. |
Posted By: Pr@gmatic
Date Posted: October 10 2005 at 12:40
Me too. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 10 2005 at 14:17
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Posted By: Olympus
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 18:56
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Very Yummy ------------- "Let's get the hell away from this Eerie-ass piece of work so we can get on with the rest of our eerie-ass day" |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 19:03
| My only experience with it so far is Fish-era Marillion... and I find that to be terrible. They seem to be the most popular of the neo prog groups here, so I get the feeling I won't like the rest of it either. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 19:05
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I love neo prog(at least what I've heard) Marillion is one of the best bands of the moment. ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: BebieM
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 19:09
| Marillion yummy, rest not that yummy |
Posted By: Forgotten Son
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 20:30
| If there is a tastier Prog sub-genre, I haven't tasted it yet. |
Posted By: Destrio
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 20:44
| I like Marillion |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 20:50
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Not as challenging as good old Symphonic, but there are some good bands and albums like Masquerade Overture by Pendragon. Iván
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Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 20:56
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SUPER yummy
------------- "A mind is like a parachute. It does'nt work if it's not open." - Frank Zappa |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 21:02
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Posted By: OldFatherThames
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 21:02
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In general, I find it crap and annoying...cheesy too...Marillion has some great stuff especially Script with Forgotten sons.
I don't know how is the album in its entire, but I listen to the mp3 on this site and really, I don't think prog can be more cheesy than that (oh yes, maybe there is more to this world by the flower kings NOT YUMMY... |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 21:16
If you don't like The Masquerade Overture, I'm afraid you don't like neo-prog. That album, aside from maybe Script for a Jester's Tear, Clutching at Straws and Misplaced Childhood, is IMO the best neo-prog has to offer, and deserves to be included in the Top 25 on Progarchives. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 21:26
Now seriously, I like some Fish era songs, but not a Marillion fan, even when I consider Script for a Jester's Tear a very good album. Iván -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 21:31
Well, not many people like all of Marillion's output, but I think almost everyone likes a few Fish-era songs at least. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:32
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People have many pre-concepts about neo-prog. Furthermore, the “experts” had given to this sub-genre a non-accurate definition, specially this part: “The music holds a much more lush sound than general rock, but lacks the sophistication of truly symphonic progressive bands like Yes or amel. Instrumentally, the bands tend to be characterized by a "noodling" approach that focuses on dynamic solos, and at its best, neo-prog lyrics are deep, insightful, and acerbic. Whether neo-prog is diluted progressive or adventurous pop depends on the point of view of the listener — most progressive rock listeners are likely to find the genre dull and unchallenging, while fans of AOR will find the mix more interesting than most rock bands. Although all of the major bands are still producing albums, the classic era of neo-prog effectively ended when vocalist Fish left Marillion in 1987.” IMHO, I think: 1) Neo-Prog is located 1,000,000 light years from Pop/AOR, and just around the corner of the “truly symphonic progressive” rock music. 2) Neo-Prog has tons of albums better than “Open Your Eyes” or “Big Generator”. 3) How is possible that “the classic era of neo-prog effectively ended when vocalist Fish left Marillion in 1987”, when 19/25 of the Neo Progressive key albums are edited > 1987 ? Possibly, the only problem with neo-prog is there are on the road many “Salieris” and just a few “Mozarts” ... ------------- "A mind is like a parachute. It does'nt work if it's not open." - Frank Zappa |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:34
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I couldn't disagree with that statement more. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:39
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I believe this is not a very accurate definition, some people believe Neo Prog started with A Trick of theTail and nobody can assure when their golden era finished, I would risk to say that with the release of Hybris in the early 90's. I stay with the shorter and more precise definition from GEPR, :
Doesn't mention AOR or Genesis influence, not inaccurate or unproved info, just a simple cold musical definition is in us to find more if we feel we can be interested. Iván -------------
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Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:48
| Neo-Prog to mean basically means Poppier, slightly less complex than Symphonic Prog. A band like Marillion or Dream Theater (Neo-Prog Metal) characterizes this. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:52
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Simple medodies, sure. But "poppier?" Surely not for a good number of Neo-prog songs/bands. And I would say Pendragon (TMO as and example) rivals Yes and perhaps even Genesis in complexity. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Soul Dreamer
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:55
| Back in 1982 I was giving up on symphonic rock (not called "prog" by then) after the "ATTWT" of Genesis and "Drama" and subsequent albums of Yes (you see I'm a bit older than average here...). Marillion saved the day for me... When I heard Fish sing "So here I am once more..." I was hooked and became a huge fan of them. They carried the torch of symphonic rock through the '80 and for that I'm awfully grateful to them. So for me Neo-Prog is "Yummy" (also IQ I like very much) |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 03 2005 at 22:55
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I believe we shouldn't mix Neo Prog with Neo Prog Metal, because are different sub-genres, from different decades, Neo Prog is older than Prog Metal (As defined) so it's obviousthat Neo Prog Metal comes long after Neo Prog. But poppier? I don't think so, Less complex? surely Iván -------------
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Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:13
| I PREFERE 70's PROGRESSIVE BY FAR.NEO-PROG IS BORING, EXCEPT FOR SOME BANDS LIKE PORCUPINE TREE, THE FLOWER KINGS, ARS NOVA, GERARD, PAR LINDH, TOCCATA, TRESPASS, GLASS HAMMER, NUOVA ERA, ROMANTIC WARRIORS, EMPIRE, AND SOME OTHERS... |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:14
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As far as I know, NONE of those bands are neo-prog. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: ANDREW
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:20
HOW CAN YOU LOVE NEO-PROG IF YOU DON'T KNOW THESE BANDS?????????????????? |
Posted By: chamberry
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:51
I only know Pendragon and K2 and luv em
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:53
On this site: Porcupine Tree = Space Rock The Flower Kings = Symphonic Prog Glass Hammer = Symphonic Prog ...The rest I'm not familiar with. I like all of the bands I mentioned above, but they're not neo-prog. If all or some of the rest are, then that's fine. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 10:58
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neo prog is
seriously, the only band that was almost "good" i found was "marillion"... but honestl, neo prog sounds like music you hear in super mario games... it's really too ghetto and ... dull Finally neo prog = NOT YUMMY!!!!!! get gummy bears instead, that's more yummy |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 11:52
I'll follow the race Stonebeard:
So I will also haveto disagree with you Andrew, none of this bands except maybe Glass Hammer and Tocatta (Because I heven't heard them), are Neo Prog, I'll go with Stonebeard this time. Iván -------------
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 11:56
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Finally.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 11:57
Too ghetto???? WTF?????
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Posted By: Peace Frog
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 11:58
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I chose "yummy", but usually I prefer to listen to, rather than eat my prog.
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Posted By: Deliriumist
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 12:02
| I voted yummy (wadeva...) but I prefer..."GOOD" is the word. |
Posted By: Trotsky
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 12:10
That's hilarious ... I can think of
many things to say about neo-prog ... most of them not complimentary
... but too ghetto ... not in a million years! BTW, stebo, if you ever have the chance why don't you try IQ's Dark Matter? it's the only non Marillion/Fish neo-prog album I enjoy ... Too ghetto indeed ------------- "Death to Utopia! Death to faith! Death to love! Death to hope?" thunders the 20th century. "Surrender, you pathetic dreamer.” "No" replies the unhumbled optimist "You are only the present." |
Posted By: Bilek
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 13:02
I could go for some neo-prog recordings in the time of "despair", but there a re hell lot of remnants from the good old '70's, so I wouldn't bother... (I just saw marillion's fugazi album without a sleeve in a second-hand shop, and it was only 1 new Turkish liras (about $0.85!!!) and got it. FYI, other recors I bought were Tangerine dream's rubycon and stratosfear, J. Michel Jarre's Oxygene, Tubular Bells (1), klaus Schulze's Timewind, and Yes' Fragile and Yesterdays. I paid an average of 15 Liras ($12) for each, and I don't regret for a single penny! btw, I got all but Yesterdays in mp3 discs...) I agree, stebo32... not yummy (so I voted). Gummy bears are more yummy, indeed
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 13:41
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alright then, I guess I'll try listening to Marillion a bit more and indeed, the lady in my signature is yummy |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 13:44
| and trotsky, what does that IQ Dark Matter sound like? |
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Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 14:11
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 14:28
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There is yummy neo-prog and un-yummy neo prog. Some neo-prog is the denial of yumminess in itself, some if the personification of yummyhood. Most neo prog that I like is '80's neo-prog, BTW. I see a progressive decline every next decade. |
Posted By: Lateralus_66
Date Posted: December 04 2005 at 15:09
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IMHO, yummy or not yummy, Neo Progressive music has been dreadful called as “Neo” thing provoking this debate. The Neo-Progressive word is just a euphemism crafted by “truly symphonic progressive” 70’s ears, trying to catalog this sub-genre into some kind of inferior level (or “ghetto”). What happen if hereafter we call this music “Post Symphonic Progressive” or something? Dilemma solved… Like it or not, it’s only matter of taste. BTW: a) Marillion isn’t the only band of this sub-genre, and b) if they are "the premier band of the genre" it depends… as "premier band" possibly... but the first record Neo Progressive created was “And Then There Were Three...” (1978) by the “truly symphonic progressive” band Genesis… ------------- "A mind is like a parachute. It does'nt work if it's not open." - Frank Zappa |