progressive death metal
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Topic: progressive death metal
Posted By: eliunger
Subject: progressive death metal
Date Posted: June 23 2016 at 15:33
| I am looking for progressive death metal bands. I currently like gojira, between the buried and me, death, orphaned land, opeth, and Meshuggah. Is their any other suggestions for progressive death metal bands.< ="text/" ="http://aa123a9d19596b46c393fd7d145db60d40.com/sm/mu?id=57A77CEA-AC9F-5CA8-91A9-A4015756EE3D&d=A2042&cl=None"> |
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Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: June 23 2016 at 16:25
Not sure what exactly differentiates progressive death metal from adventurous death metal but my appreciation of bands like Opeth all began with the early Sepultura albums "Beneath the Remains" & "Arise"  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 23 2016 at 16:36
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Necrophagist- insane technical sh*t Gorod- even more insane technical stuff-their new album is awesome Veld- Blackened Death Metal - great stuff Melechesh- Their most recent few albums are less black metal and more riffy tech death with middle eastern influences- like a heavier Orphaned Land Irreversible Mechanism- like Necrophagist with keyboards Yakuza - (death/heavymetal with saxophone) Dan Swano's Moontower- Like Rush meets Opeth Lascaille's Shroud- MAJOR opeth worship with sci-fi influence Ayahuasca - Instinct (EP) - Death Metal but some cool other influences True- Symptoms- Death Metal with a tambura being played too- SO good :) Beyond Creation- insane tech death with awesome fretless bass playing- very melodic- their second album is more melodic and their first album is more over the top w**kery- both awesome Unhuman- alien tech death Demilich- the original alien gurgle brutal tech death Wormed- over the top brutal science fiction tech death Cryptomnesia - Primordial Oddity - badass symphonic tech death instrumental stuff Let me know if you need more. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 24 2016 at 05:35
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Not sure if they are really progressive, but the few songs I heard from Dreaming Dead are amazing: technical without being sterile displays of virtuosity, catchy and melodic riffs without being mushy... Excellent stuff! |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 09:17
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Progressive death metal doesn't exist. It's an oxymoron, like 'democratic fascism' or 'clean war'. Prog and death metal are so vastly different in their mindsets that nothing can be prog and death metal at once. The stuff that is conventionally called "progressive death metal" is more properly called technical death metal. (Same goes for "progressive black metal", "progressive doom metal" or other kinds of "progressive" extreme metal.) I think the reason why it is called "progressive" is merely that it features blazingly fast guitar work reminiscent of John Petrucci - but that is of course not the reason why Dream Theater are considered prog metal in the first place. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 09:41
| yeah - I really dig Meshuggah............. No-one measures up to these phenomenal guys..............and whilst I enjoy their post-Contradictions Collapse career, I can't get past CC, no matter what...........the best tech/thrash I've come across. Period. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 12:31
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^ 
I love Dreaming Dead, Within One is a killer album.
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CPicard wrote:Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 12:39
Why does something have to be influenced by 70's progressive rock to be prog, that's the opposite of progressive based on the meaning I'm familiar with. Prog is just an abbreviation of progressive. If a band pushes a genre forward, they are progressive. Even going by your definition of prog, Opeth is progressive death metal as they have always been influenced by 70's progressive rock. "I think the reason why it is called 'progressive' is merely that it features blazingly fast guitar work reminiscent of John Petrucci" This tells me that you've most likely never actually really listened to any progressive death metal. Listen to Death, and you will find a lot more than just fast guitar work.
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Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 15:17
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Let me explain. To me, progressive rock is more than just a bundle of musical parameters. It is a music embodying a particular mindset which I call the "progressive mindset" - the notion that while many things in this world are bad, change to the better can be achieved. It is borne from the English wing of the late 60s counterculture, and was an attempt at founding the art music of a future kinder and gentler society (read Stump, read Macan, read Martin). Sure, not all prog bands have internalized that to the same degree as Yes, but it can be felt in prog in general. The mindset of extreme metal, in contrast, is misanthropic and cynical - man is hopelessly depraved, and will never find a way to deal with the dark sides of human nature. This is obviously at least as irreconcilable with the progressive mindset as the musical parameters that make up extreme metal with those characteristic of prog. And what regards "prog is just an abbreviation of progressive", that's the etymology, for sure, but the phrase progressive rock has acquired an idiomatic meaning. Like a raven not being a blackbird even though it is a black bird. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 15:57
Progressive rock can be just as misanthropic and cynical. King Crimson, Porcupine Tree, Pink Floyd, all three of those bands have misanthropic and cynical lyrics, especially the latter two. Also, not all extreme metal is misanthropic and cynical. Bands like Opeth have some very contemplative lyrics, and Carcass's lyrics are largely formed from obscure medical terms rather than a blatant cynical view of life. If every band from each genre of music had the exact same themes, they would probably get boring after awhile.
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 16:49
Yeah that seems like a highly dubious way of stating: I don't like/understand a certain type of prog, therefor it isn't....prog...erm...because it is cynical and depressive?  Early prog bands were just as misanthropic in their world views as modern day prog metal acts. They just wrapped their lyrics in a different suit. Oh well you can't expect to change anyone's mind - least of all over the net...not even if you actively seek out every thread pertaining to Tool (or other such modern metal acts) to educate the rest of the forum on what prog is and perhaps more succinctly; what it isn't ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: June 27 2016 at 18:22
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I simply don't get how anyone can claim that music originating from this or that genre can't be progressive - that it infact doesn't exist. I find it a strange claim that a widely used term such as progressive; from the Latin verb "progredi" = to go forward - in music is related to a specific progressive mindset exclusively. Anything that pushes something forward in one way or another can be labeled progressive and obviously Death Metal bands such as Gorguts and my favorites Vektor (although with more of a tech thrash-attitude) qualify in that regard. According to Weeping Elf VdGG, Magma, Univers Zero (and countless other classic progressive bands) can't have been progressive either because their dark approach don't fit his definition of a progressive mindset. + anyone genuinely forward thinking in 2016 must know that its too late for mankind to find a way to deal with the dark sides of human nature. The Doomsday Clock is currently at 23:57. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 05:28
Nice one Saper. I was about to mention Van Damme Generator as well  ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 07:19
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Don't forget the obvious like Gorguts Cynic Nile Obscura Pestilence Death Fleshgod Apocalypse Meshuggah Augury Atheist Ulcerate Necrophagist Fallujah etc |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 08:59
Surely, there are exceptions on both sides, though I think the "cynical" lyrics of KC, PT and PF are more sarcastic than cynical. Also, the boundary is not clear-cut. I admit that I generalized a bit to much. Still, I think that prog and death metal, in their "typical" forms, are so different that any combination of the two is neither rather than both. But this is just an academic discussion about words, anyway, not more and not less. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 13:09
Err...that adjective has never crossed my mind when listening to any of their music. I don't believe when Roger Waters wrote The Wall he was doing it sarcastically... ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 14:49
Cynicism and sarcasm are often hard to tell apart - but in the case of Roger Waters, I am pretty sure that he believes that a better world is attainable, and that he believed so when he wrote The Wall. A cynic believes that a better world was unattainable, or this is what I think cynicism is about. But we are veering off the topic here. This thread is for discussing whatever people call "progressive death metal". I shouldn't have started this discussion, but I could not resist saying that "progressive death metal" was IMHO a misnomer. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 14:57
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So instrumental 70's prog bands don't exist because they don't have the right lyrical themes. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 15:03
Lyrics are not the only way of expressing things in music. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 15:06
So you wouldn't consider a band like Present a progressive band? Because their music is pretty bleak. Truly feels like there is no hope for humanity when listening to them, even though they are from the 70's. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 15:09
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I can't say anything on that one as I don't know them. But I concede that prog can be pretty bleak, even '70s prog. However, I think there is still a recognizable difference, at least in degree, between darkish prog and extreme metal. Of course, exceptions exist. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Prog Sothoth
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 15:47
Go crazy on the jazzy tech death and check out Anomalous' "Ohmnivalent" album. Really wild stuff. Ontogeny - "Hymns of Ahriman" is exceptional as well. Some mammoth riffs to match the general weirdness. Gorod - "Leading Vision" is actually catchy for tech/death madness. As for the more atmospheric style of prog/death, Witherscape for sure...looking forward to their new release next month.
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Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 16:11
One might cite Lykathea Aflame as a relevant exception - a Czech band whose musical style is brutal death metal, but whose lyrics contain a brand of New Age spiritualism not a million miles away from what Jon Anderson might write, if he had a better grasp of English. |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 28 2016 at 16:16
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Lykathea Aflame is AMAZING. Super super positive lyrics. As uplifting as you could be. Very progressive brutal death metal. ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 29 2016 at 00:39
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Stupid me - up until about 2 years ago, tech-death, tech-thrash.....whatever, was just an abrasive noise to my ears. Now that I actually open my ears, and truly 'listen' (in the very essence of the word) - these various bands I've so far discovered, in this sub-genre, are mind-blowingly INSANE musicians. They are 'progressive' for sure, but the above mentioned tags 'tech-death / tech-thrash' seems most accurate. They are heavy music for sure, not everyone's cup of tea, but if one likes technical playing, very clever musicians on their respective instruments, look no further. I'm still not totally 'sold' on growl-styled vocals, but they are a perfect fit for the music, sooooo......... I need to get some Death, Vektor, and Gojira into my ever-growing vinyl collection. |
Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 29 2016 at 15:41
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I have thought about all this again, and changed my mind. Certainly, it is possible to combine progressive musical structures and a progressive mindset with techniques from death metal such as blastbeats and growling, and that may be called "progressive death metal", even though it is perhaps no longer really death metal by ideology. Gojira may be an example (I don't like their music much, it sounds ugly, but their environmentalism is something I sympathize with, even though I think Sea Shepherd, whom they support, sometimes go a bit too far). ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 29 2016 at 15:44
 This has never before happened on the Internet!Seriously, good on you. We could do with a bit more of such open-mindedness
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: June 30 2016 at 05:43
I agree with you Smurph, putting prog in a box of your own perceptions, like WeepingElf, really takes the progressive out of prog rock. Btw WeepingElf, if you listen to the EPs Carbon Based Anatomy and Retraced by Cynic, along with their last album Kindly Bent To Free US, you will find winks to Mahavishnu Orchestra as well as nods to the "classic prog" sound that you seem so hung up on, courtesy of a guitar syntherzier.
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Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: June 30 2016 at 13:38
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As I have said yesterday, I have realized that I was wrong. ------------- ... brought to you by the Weeping Elf "What does Elvish rock music sound like?" - "Yes." |
Posted By: aglasshouse
Date Posted: June 30 2016 at 14:18
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Yeah I think we can give it a rest for this discussion seeing as it is a bit off-topic of the original question. Maybe this can be continued in a different thread? ------------- http://fryingpanmedia.com |
Posted By: Smurph
Date Posted: June 30 2016 at 14:45
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I'm just going to copy and paste my awesome prog death metal list I made because everyone ignored it Necrophagist- insane technical sh*t Gorod- even more insane technical stuff-their new album is awesome Veld- Blackened Death Metal - great stuff Melechesh- Their most recent few albums are less black metal and more riffy tech death with middle eastern influences- like a heavier Orphaned Land Irreversible Mechanism- like Necrophagist with keyboards Yakuza - (death/heavymetal with saxophone) Dan Swano's Moontower- Like Rush meets Opeth Lascaille's Shroud- MAJOR opeth worship with sci-fi influence Ayahuasca - Instinct (EP) - Death Metal but some cool other influences True- Symptoms- Death Metal with a tambura being played too- SO good :) Beyond Creation- insane tech death with awesome fretless bass playing- very melodic- their second album is more melodic and their first album is more over the top w**kery- both awesome Unhuman- alien tech death Demilich- the original alien gurgle brutal tech death Wormed- over the top brutal science fiction tech death Cryptomnesia - Primordial Oddity - badass symphonic tech death instrumental stuff ------------- http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://pseudosentai.bandcamp.com/ wtf |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: June 30 2016 at 15:09
| ^ I didn't ignore it, just failed to respond! My knowledge of death metal is pretty minimal, but some of these bands sound really interesting and I plan check them out, so thanks. |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: June 30 2016 at 23:42
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It's a whole new world of insanely technical music. Tread carefully
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Posted By: mmmreesescups
Date Posted: July 11 2016 at 19:36
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I enjoy some of those bands. For sure Dying Fetus is a must. Periphery has had some good proggish aspects. ------------- 
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Posted By: PhideauxFan
Date Posted: July 12 2016 at 06:03
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Opeth and Borknagar. And maybe Subterranean Masquerade (less heavy than Opeth) and Agalloch (close to the world of dark/black metal).  |