Does this description describe a prog album?
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Topic: Does this description describe a prog album?
Posted By: SteveG
Subject: Does this description describe a prog album?
Date Posted: January 07 2017 at 08:03
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"S********k is as progressive as they come. First, it has a short set of 4 tracks. Second, each track is individually lengthy, with the longest track being over 13 minutes. Third and finally, upon it's release, it was practically loathed by the labels. Marketing was practically impossible as radios refused to air it's tracks. Financially, S*********k was a flop. A big flop. But honestly- who cares what the radios think in the end? S*********k has since then has gained somewhat of a cult following and for good reason. It's influence has stretched quite a way to bands like The Smiths and modern folk/indie band Fleet Foxes." A recent album reviewer described the above as grounds for a prog album. The album title has been changed to protect the innocent. Do you agree that this description constitutes what is essential in order to classify the album as a prog album?
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Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: January 07 2017 at 08:34
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Yeah. I was just reading this review earlier. Interesting remark about the contractually obliged guest. Not sure that seemed right but the atmosphere of this prog folk classic is superb. |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: January 07 2017 at 09:04
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There's not a single word in this review about how the music on the album sounds, unless you count whom it has influenced (and unless there's more that you didn't quote). Lengths of songs and being a flop certainly are not enough. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: January 07 2017 at 13:18
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Length of track and unpopularity does not a Prog album make. There are many more criteria, and this could apply to a number of different genres and styles. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 07 2017 at 14:02
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I'm sorry, I have the flu and am not mentally up to trying to figure out who or what the hell S********k is. Explain please. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 08 2017 at 09:25
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It could be any band playing some kind of rock-influenced jam music: some blues-rock musicians can play solos for 10 minutes, that won't make them a progressive rock act. Anyway, this text sounds more like a short biography than a review. Could it be possible to have some more informations about this band? |
Posted By: HemispheresOfXanadu
Date Posted: January 08 2017 at 10:38
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I think the message is is that it's not a review of the music it's a bad description of what makes good prog. ------------- https://twitter.com/ProgFollower" rel="nofollow - @ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 09 2017 at 09:53
exactly. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Lewian wrote:Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 09 2017 at 10:16
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I thought it was a description of a double-wide box of corkscrew gas. ------------- ---------- i'm shopping for a new oil-cured sinus bag that's a happy bag of lettuce this car smells like cartilage nothing beats a good video about fractions |
Posted By: Terrapin Station
Date Posted: January 09 2017 at 10:23
Re not being necessary, prog can consist of short songs that are well-received, including by the artist's record label, that the label knows how to market, and that gets airplay. Re not being sufficient, while longer songs that get a "wtf?" reaction can be characteristic of some prog, those qualities aren't enough to indicate that something is prog. |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: January 09 2017 at 11:41
| No, that could be applied to any kind of album. Lengthy songs are not exclusive to prog, and apart from classic rock radio, the radio rejects playing anything that isn't mainstream pop, rap, or pop-rock/pop-punk. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 09 2017 at 15:02
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Sigh....back to that old argument, albeit in a different form this time, as to what makes something prog rock. Without knowing the actual band or album it's impossible for me to say if that has any merit. Though there are probably some who have said things like that about old prog rock from the old days as well. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: January 09 2017 at 15:45
I had to vote "I'm not sure" because the reviewer didn't bring up 16/8 and 7/4!  ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 12:58
We all have different takes on what constitutes prog, but stating something is prog without some type of musical description is beyond the pale. For the record, Harper never liked being pigeonholed, and I doubt he would even be impressed that his albums are listed in PA. But back to the topic. Perhaps it's time that videos are included with album reviews. Maybe that would help to circumvent the "what is prog and what is not" question.
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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 11 2017 at 13:01
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Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 02:18
What's "prog"?  ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |