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Topic: Old Earth vs. Young Earth
Posted By: Logan
Subject: Old Earth vs. Young Earth
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 11:49
Choose which figure come closest to your position. Some might think that it was created less than a millisecond ago, in which case with option 2 but mention your position in a post. Most geologists seem to agree on about 4.54 billion years, whereas various creationists (young earth creationists) think about 6000 years (or less than 10000 years). There are also old earth creationists....

Creation and earth History Museum: http://www.creationsd.org/" rel="nofollow - http://www.creationsd.org/

Originally posted by wikipedia wikipedia wrote:

The Museum of Creation and Earth History is a young earth creationist promotional facility opened by the Institute for Creation Research at its original headquarters in Santee, California in 1992, replacing an earlier museum located in the Institute's basement.[1] It cost $50,000, and took 2 years to complete.[2]

After the Institute for Creation Research moved from Santee to Dallas, Texas in 2008, it sold the Museum to the Life and Light Foundation, a non-profit ministry run by Tom Cantor.[3]

The exhibits claim to prove that the Earth is no older than about 10,000 years, and suggest that man and dinosaurs coexisted before Noah's flood, which also created the Grand Canyon.[4] Also featured are an interpreted walk through the Garden of Eden with a literal depiction of the six days in the Genesis, a dark room with pictures of the planets and stars, scale models of Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel, an Ice Age room, the Canyon Wall, describing how the Grand Canyon was formed in a matter of weeks or months, rather than the millions of years posited by most geologists, and the Hall of Scholars with pictures and biographies of scientists who believed in creationism rather than accepting evolution. It also has a display about the ICR's RATE project, an effort, in conjunction with other young Earth creationist organizations, to find evidence of a young earth.

In 2013 the Museum was denied accreditation by the San Diego Museum Council.[5]




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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 12:09
Old Earth is scary and hard to understand. Like medicine, physics, and science.

Also, I won't be clicking on that link. I can only imagine what Googles ad bot will start sending me.

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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 12:12
I think if the Earth had been created only 10000 years ago, it wouldn't be as big as it is today. (Because it has barely grown at all during the past few decades).


Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 12:19
The Stephen Harper views.

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Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 12:49
The way you phrased this everyone will get the poll question right. You should obviously have asked:

Which figures come farthest from your views on the age of the Earth?



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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 12:53
Originally posted by Vompatti Vompatti wrote:

I think if the Earth had been created only 10000 years ago, it wouldn't be as big as it is today. (Because it has barely grown at all during the past few decades).
LOL

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 13:10
Originally posted by Saperlipopette! Saperlipopette! wrote:

The way you phrased this everyone will get the poll question right. You should obviously have asked:
Which figures come farthest from your views on the age of the Earth?


Haha, on a serious personal note: I had actually made a New Years resolution to communicate in a more direct, open and honest way with others, and to be more intellectually honest and direct with myself.   Doing otherwise not only confuses other people, it confuses me at times. I regret my tomfoolery in the way I presented that climate change topic before. I sometimes use silliness as a shield due to my social anxiety.

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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 13:39
This site could use more silliness, imho.

So very f**king serious at times.

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Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 13:51
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I agree. So let's have some silly Spam! Smile


Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 14:00
Good God Monty Python is older than 10,000, what are the Bible bashers thinking............Wink

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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 14:00
The Earth is only 2017 years old 

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Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 14:14
I don't care how old it is, can I just have a new one?

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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 14:35
Donald Trump will sell you one..................

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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 14:37
Originally posted by Man With Hat Man With Hat wrote:

I don't care how old it is, can I just have a new one?
 
No man, no way! It's not as disposable as the insignificant human life span.


Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 15:20
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

The Earth is only 2017 years old 


Finally! Someone who did the math.


Also, I want to change my vote to Iced Earth.

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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 15:25
Here in the not so great and not so white North, we call iced Earth the Arctic tundra, and we will until all the permafrost melts.

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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 15:31
Just watch out for teh Yellow Snow...............................
Trudging across the tundra
Mile after mile
Trudging across the tundra
Trudging across the tundra
Mile after mile
Trudging across the tundra

Right down to the parish of st. alphonzo






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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 19 2017 at 17:04
The question of why do the two different dating methods arrive at such widely differing results is more interesting for me. As we know dating of earth is quite difficult as this is normally done by plotting archaeological finds in the the strata layer in which they have been found, as this stolen graphic shows:
But as you can see, earth (i.e. that strata where life is known to exist) only occupies the first thirty inches of the outer lithosphere of the world. If we work on the principle that the world grows one inch per century, then this makes the earth extremely young (between zero and three thousand years old). Of course the impact of climate change on strata-chronology has yet to be determined but it is expected that the shrinkage caused by fossil fuel pollution is counteracted by the girth increases brought about by the western diet however, it is still estimated that this could produce a +100/-50% error in the estimation. Of course the earth layer is considerably younger than the underlying rock and magma layers but not as young the outer "vegetation" layer.

The alternative method that is based upon the bible code is to simply count the number of verses written in the old testament since creation and multiply that number by the total number of words in the new testament, which gives us an earth-age of 4.2billion years (which is of course preposterous).


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Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: January 22 2017 at 23:59
4.5 billion years ago. Put evolution aside. Time is the creationists' biggest problem.

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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 23 2017 at 13:55
Dean, for the first time in many years, I suspect you of trolling.

But I could be wrong.


Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 23 2017 at 14:16
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Dean, for the first time in many years, I suspect you of trolling.

But I could be wrong.

Come on fact are facts unless they are alternate facts............... like trumps


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 23 2017 at 16:36
Originally posted by CPicard CPicard wrote:

Dean, for the first time in many years, I suspect you of trolling.

But I could be wrong.
It would only be trolling if I believed anyone here was dumb enough to be provoked by it. 'Twas merely a humorous illustration of how pseudoscience can be used to twist any fact to make it fit a crazy idea.


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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 23 2017 at 16:46
^ well thats a let down............

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: January 23 2017 at 16:51
huh.... what are you all smoking..

it's old.. enough said...

oh...and I need a beer... thanks Dean.. LOL


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: January 25 2017 at 03:52
The Earth is clearly only 6000 years old. The 'alternative' evidence is overwhelming.

Dinosaur bones were placed here to test our faith, PMSL!       

I despair.

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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 25 2017 at 03:57
Voted for option #2 because this comes a little closer. I may be wrong, but I was not there when Planet Earth was created.

Either way I am a creationist.


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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 25 2017 at 04:23
Flat earth

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 25 2017 at 13:15
Wow......it absolutely blows my mind that anyone would think the world is only 6000 years old.......I'm speechless.
Shocked



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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 25 2017 at 14:58
Crazy is the word I would use...........................6000 years LOL the aborigines have been in Australia for 40,000 years. Without to much effort I can see there is a problem here - all those cave painting they must have used an accelerant to greatly speed up the aging process- what I clever god ?????????????? I'll see if he can paint my car next week.....

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Posted By: progaardvark
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 06:36
Although this thread is focusing on the earth, one point that should be noted is that young earth creationists not only believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old, but also the universe. They are essentially challenging the laws of physics and reality.

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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 06:52
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Wow......it absolutely blows my mind that anyone would think the world is only 6000 years old.......I'm speechless.
Shocked


It's incredible, isn't it? What's next, people still believing the Earth is flat? oh wait............. Confused


Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 08:14
I'm against the fatalist climate nutjobs, I'm against religious nutjobs as well.
If the Earth is 6000 years old, I'm Mary Poppins.

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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 14:01
Also Looks like 5 people believe that the Sun revolves around the earth .............

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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 14:16
Maybe off topic....but I wonder how many of those who voted for Trump believe that the earth is only 6000 years old...?

Ermm


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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 14:54
Alternative Facts LOL

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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:04
Fat Earth Theory Embarrassed

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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:08
Bad Hair Theory

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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:30
Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Bad Hair Theory

Cracked Earth Theory? Clap


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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:31
Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Alternative Facts LOL

Alter-Native Fats? Dead


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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:57
Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Bad Hair Theory

Cracked Earth Theory? Clap

Cracked Fat Theory? Sleepy


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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:59
Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Alternative Facts LOL

Alter-Native Fats? Dead

Mono-Brow-Saturated Philistine Theory 


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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 15:59
^Cracked Native Facts....... Dead

A bit off-topic , but...
Considering all T-Rump's issues with pipelines, I suggest looking up the big troubles going on up in North Dakota with the Bakken Oil Pipeline - America's dark history repeating itself right there....... I highly recommend the reading of Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee." - the dark side of USA history is revealed quite dramatically in this book.


Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 16:06
Originally posted by Tillerman88 Tillerman88 wrote:

^Cracked Native Facts....... Dead

A bit off-topic , but...
Considering all T-Rump's issues with pipelines, I suggest looking up the big troubles going on up in North Dakota with the Bakken Oil Pipeline - America's dark history repeating itself right there....... I highly recommend the reading of Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee." - the dark side of USA history is revealed quite dramatically in this book.

Gives a whole new and scary meaning to Ugly America..................

Think the US has entered the Age of terminal Ugly!


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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 16:12
^  yeah I think it'd better say...  age of the exterminating Ugly.......  Dead


Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 16:30
Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Alternative Facts LOL

Alter-Native Fats? Dead

Mono-Brow-Saturated Philistine Theory 

Philippine Pastries without saturated fats served with brownies, wrapped in MONO® Magic® Non-Stick Foil, served on-site Tongue


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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 26 2017 at 16:33
Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Alternative Facts LOL

Alter-Native Fats? Dead

Mono-Brow-Saturated Philistine Theory 

Philippine Pastries without saturated fats served with brownies, wrapped in MONO® Magic® Non-Stick Foil, served on-site Tongue

Can you get me some, made me hungry already LOL, does it come with a tin foil hat cause I want one of those too- seems to be all the rage around here Confused


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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: January 28 2017 at 09:19
Originally posted by progaardvark progaardvark wrote:

Although this thread is focusing on the earth, one point that should be noted is that young earth creationists not only believe the earth is less than 10,000 years old, but also the universe. They are essentially challenging the laws of physics and reality.

Well, one can't believe everything one sees, experiences, calculates or computes. Just because the observable universe is over 90 billion light-years in diameter doesn't mean that some omniscient deity couldn't cram all that space and time into 6000 earth years. Rather like cramming dirty clothes into an expandable laundry bag. It's just rather odd that said omniscient deity would plop beings created in his own image and likeness onto a third planet orbiting a rather middling sun at the ass-end of a mundane galaxy in the backwaters of this massive universe. Perhaps we are more step-children of god -- he never did like his first wife, and he tolerates the second, but her kids? Not of his loins.


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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 28 2017 at 10:06
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Just because the observable universe is over 90 billion light-years in diameter doesn't mean that some omniscient deity couldn't cram all that space and time into 6000 earth years.

Yes, there is no evidente proving otherwise, it's when our critical sense plays its roll on the conclusion about this matter, even though it is rather lacking nowadays.

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

It's just rather odd that said omniscient deity would plop beings created in his own image and likeness onto a third planet orbiting a rather middling sun at the ass-end of a mundane galaxy in the backwaters of this massive universe. 

So what about a... 'fabulous alien'?............Would it be a 'different' deity who created them ? LOL



Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 28 2017 at 13:36
Originally posted by Tillerman88 Tillerman88 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Just because the observable universe is over 90 billion light-years in diameter doesn't mean that some omniscient deity couldn't cram all that space and time into 6000 earth years.

Yes, there is no evidente proving otherwise, it's when our critical sense plays its roll on the conclusion about this matter, even though it is rather lacking nowadays.

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

It's just rather odd that said omniscient deity would plop beings created in his own image and likeness onto a third planet orbiting a rather middling sun at the ass-end of a mundane galaxy in the backwaters of this massive universe. 

So what about a... 'fabulous alien'?............Would it be a 'different' deity who created them ? LOL


Don't you know Fabulous Alien (FA) to those that worship him, is the all powerful creator- you know just like in the song - What if God was one of us, just a stranger on the bus- he likes that bit but think this Hooters song is crap but ah well now you know who you must pray too. 

Just thought I better let you now......... All pray to FA!


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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: January 28 2017 at 17:09
Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

Originally posted by Tillerman88 Tillerman88 wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Just because the observable universe is over 90 billion light-years in diameter doesn't mean that some omniscient deity couldn't cram all that space and time into 6000 earth years.

Yes, there is no evidente proving otherwise, it's when our critical sense plays its roll on the conclusion about this matter, even though it is rather lacking nowadays.

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

It's just rather odd that said omniscient deity would plop beings created in his own image and likeness onto a third planet orbiting a rather middling sun at the ass-end of a mundane galaxy in the backwaters of this massive universe. 

So what about a... 'fabulous alien'?............Would it be a 'different' deity who created them ? LOL


Don't you know Fabulous Alien (FA) to those that worship him, is the all powerful creator- you know just like in the song - What if God was one of us, just a stranger on the bus- he likes that bit but think this Hooters song is crap but ah well now you know who you must pray too. 

Just thought I better let you now......... All pray to FA!
 
LOL
None the less there is something that is about to drastically compromise FA's reputation: HIA (Heaven's Intelligence Agency) has just found out that FA didn't credit himself for the creation of the... 'ordinary alien'....... so the question remains - what was his point on that ? Was the almighty FA an Oligarch? A Democrat? , or even a Republican? 
I bet FA is rather the most weird populist deity the planet Earth has ever had Shocked LOL
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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 29 2017 at 15:08
That's one for the true believers I guess, but the HIA is conflicted anyway- currently there doing a deal to exchange Elvis for Darth Vader........... its up to FA to save us now! Big smile

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Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: January 29 2017 at 16:25
Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

That's one for the true believers I guess, but the HIA is conflicted anyway- currently there doing a deal to exchange Elvis for Darth Vader........... its up to FA to save us now! Big smile

Sorry PA, what did I miss? am I mean't to.....save earth???? ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked


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Posted By: EddieRUKiddingVarese
Date Posted: January 29 2017 at 17:00
Originally posted by Thatfabulousalien Thatfabulousalien wrote:

Originally posted by EddieRUKiddingVarese EddieRUKiddingVarese wrote:

That's one for the true believers I guess, but the HIA is conflicted anyway- currently there doing a deal to exchange Elvis for Darth Vader........... its up to FA to save us now! Big smile

Sorry PA, what did I miss? am I mean't to.....save earth???? ShockedShockedShockedShockedShockedShocked

Yes FA, PA needs you otherwise were doomed I tell you...........




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