Whitesnake or ZZ Top?
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Topic: Whitesnake or ZZ Top?
Posted By: TexasKing
Subject: Whitesnake or ZZ Top?
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 12:49
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What is your choice between these two bands? I really like pre-1987 period of Whitesnake(bluesy hard rock stuff) and the 70's period of ZZ Top. But I am going with WS over ZZ Top, because I think 80's commercial stuff by Whitesnake is easily better than 80's ZZ Top stuff as Eliminator and Afterburner, though I'm not a big fan of that their period. 'Snake for me!
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 13:10
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Neither did much for me. But Whitesnake did have Steve Vai in the group, so they may have had outstanding solos at the time. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 14:10
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ZZ top if forced to choose. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 14:28
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ZZ Top without doubt. Everything up to and including Eliminator was way cool. Never did cotton to David Coverdale's brand of cock rock. |
Posted By: TeleStrat
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 15:36
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When it comes to Whitesnake, Slip Of the Tongue was the high point for me. I did enjoy Steve Vai and Adrian Vandenberg on guitars. I go way back with ZZ Top so they get my vote.
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Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 16:43
| ZZTop. What a fun band! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 18:05
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ZZ Top obviously... but pre-MTV Whitesnake was pretty good stuff. Still nothing they did compares to that little ol' band from Texas!! ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 18:23
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Anything from Tres Hombres and Fandango blows away anything Whitesnake ever did. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 18:43
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Yeah, ZZ Top for me. Not only did they nail Texas blues rock, they're simply one of the most iconic bands on the planet. The beards! The car! The spinning guitars! What's not to love? Whitesnake always struck me as pretty generic hair metal, though I did enjoy the material Steve Vai did with them. ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: infocat
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 21:24
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ZZ is the Tops. ------------- -- Frank Swarbrick Belief is not Truth. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 23:14
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ZZ Top were little more than a comedy band for me, I vote for Whitecock, I mean snake. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Pastmaster
Date Posted: February 23 2017 at 23:30
| ZZ Top, but Whitesnake has some good stuff too. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 24 2017 at 03:15
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Whitesnake by a mile, although only pre 1987. When Coverdale sacked the British band and reformed with a load of Scandinavian hair metal poodles they nosedived in quality so f***ing fast, when they hit the ground they were identifiable only through DNA analysis of their splattered remains. Their music was stripped of all emotion and originality. Awful terrible rubbish. Never liked ZZ Top. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: February 24 2017 at 06:56
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The Top. No contest. ------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 04:25
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Whitesnake and NO, they are NOT hair metal.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 05:26
| ZZ Top and yes, they are beard metal. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 05:27
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hahah... ummm hmmmm... pffff.. this topic again.. lesson here kiddies... the blues smokes metal. Substance over flash... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Squonk19
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 05:30
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Whitesnake - but only when they were a great blues rock band with Moody, Marsden etc. ------------- “Living in their pools, they soon forget about the sea.” |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 05:36
Couldn't agree more. Pre-1987 Whitesnake were a great hard rock-blues band, as witnessed by their outstanding live album Live... In the Heart of the City. The original versions of "Here I Go Again" and "Crying in the Rain" smoke those pitiful excuses for songs that were released in the late Eighties. Incidentally, I saw Whitesnake and ZZ Top on stage on the same day, at the 1983 edition of the Monsters of Rock festival in Castle Donington. Whitesnake (who headlined) were great, with Cozy Powell on drums and Jon Lord on keyboards - but ZZ Top almost put me to sleep, playing more or less the same song for 40 minutes. |
Blacksword wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 05:43
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ahhh... one of the very few things you and I disagree with. They ain't bad darling... pretty good actually...but to these ears compared to authentic blues-rock like ZZtop... they are what they sound.. 2nd rate... whose only real concept of the blues and hard living...is having to go to tax exile because their f**king gov't is having to take their bread man. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 06:14
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I lost what I wrote twice, slow internet, errors and access denied. The people that laugh at Whitesanke are those who know only their MTV videos or their 1987 album. But Coverdale and Whitesnake are so much more. Their albums from 1977 to 1984 are great. I don't mind their commercial period either. And then there's Coverdale's collaboration with Page, so underrated it hurts. There's a blues number Don't Leave Me This way that, to me at least, is better than anything ZZTOP ever did. Restless Heart is another album that is bluesy and the song to top them all is Take Me Back Again.
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:12
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ZZ Top for sure.....their first 3 or 4 albums were damn good blues rock imho...after that even though they wrote some 'radio hits'., they became a parody of themselves. Whitesnake was a parody of them selves from day one.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:15
say what? what does this really mean?
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:18
| I like Whitesnake before 1987, but Top is just greater. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:18
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Think Spinal Tap......does that clear it up...? ;) parody noun
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------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:21
| There has been countless Spinal Taps in R´N`R (quite many also in prog). Many of them has anyway done great albums. |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:23
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Mortte.....as usual you completely missed the point......LOL ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:26
| No points. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:26
thank you for the English lesson what you say still makes no sense to me
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 12:56
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hahahha.. you are in rare form today Doc.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 14:30
| the mystery of Whitesnake being a parody of themselves from day one will never be solved... |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:00
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ZZ Top. What a poll lmao. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:06
Don't laugh at other people making polls here. I'm sure you would not like someone laughing at yours.
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:08
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Whitesnake and ZZ Top both saw their best days before their mid-1980s sellout albums that catapulted them in the Top 20 with "Legs" and "Here I Go Again." Whitesnake devolved from a solid Purple-derived hard rock outfit, anchored by the late great Jon Lord, to an AquaNet & blow-dryer-fueled candyass band on par with Poison ...but still better than those guys! After all, Whitesnake at one time or another boasted John Sykes, Vivian Campbell and Steve Vai in the line-up. But Rudy Sarzo should have never, ever frosted his hair. LOL! ZZ Top likewise took a few steps back when they streamlined their no-BS dusted down hard blues sound into a scruffy pop-blues-rock b*****dization of what had put them on the map. The omnipresent drum machine was so awful, too. They still had some good songs strewn across those albums Eliminator and Afterburner, though. But ZZ started making good music again, while Coverdale is simply cashing checks by having his band ride the coattails of their glory days. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:16
Yes...well it's lost on some apparently. ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:19
not true since his glory days, as you say it, Coverdale has been doing a few things 1993 - collaboration with Jimmy Page - Coverdale Page album 1997 - Whitesnake - Restless Heart 2000 - David Coverdale - Into the Light 2008 - Whitesnake - Good to Be Bad 2011 - Whitesnake - Forevermore 2015 - Whitesnake - The Purple Album
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:30
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Whitesnake........really..? A second rate hard rock band with a singer who wanted to be Robert Plant but isn't fit to be his roadie. ;) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:34
| ZZ Top |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:35
wow... I give up I regret bumping this thread, i thought it would get a good discussion, but it seems I was wrong.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:46
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never be a slave to regret Cristi... that a bane of lesser men... learn an important life's lesson from the Big Mick revel in your f**k ups.. they build character.. and provide entertainment ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:49
I don't see how I fukt up...
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Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:50
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Aw.....that just brought a tear to my eye........ Cristi...my apologies for derailing this erudite discussion of Whitesnake vs ZZ Top.....please carry on and ignore my silly comments. :) ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:54
oh goody... thread completely highjacked into 'Mick's Life Lessons' f**ked up? Mick's Life Lesson #2. When the forum sharks are in the water.. don't go sticking your f**king hand in the water hahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 15:54
you don't need to get sarcastic. I get it, a discussion about a band like Whitesnake is not worth it, I won't do it again...
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 16:02
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oh there was a discussion to be had there Cristi.. but as usual no one ...errrr.. bit on it. One I've raised twice on the forum and early Whitesnake a prime example of... I often bemoan the lack of bloodshed and violence on the forum these days.. but hand in hand with that.. is a lack of people thinking about music. They just enjoy what they enjoy.. which of course there is nothing wrong with that.. but it doesn't lead to stimulating discussion when people either know jack sh*t.. or care little about music. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 16:20
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^What he said..........and I do apologize for derailing the discussion. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 23:32
| Nothing sadder than old men who are jealous to Coverdale, because he´s get more pussy than they ever even dreamed of. |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 04 2018 at 23:49
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 00:45
On a prog music forum, I am not quite sure a pussy-meter has ever been used to gauge musical appreciation. If members here were more interested in the sex lives of banal performers, they would have left this forum years ago -- perhaps to a Led Zeppelin forum -- and poor ProgArchives would never be destined to take the place of the mud shark in their mythology. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 00:50
throwing insults does not help the discussion.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 01:28
Can´t you guys see that you have your collective opinions and if somebody´s is against them, you´re coming as group to tear one down (and quite ugly way). I just hate that kind of macho-action and I think it really doesn´t belong into progforum. But if everybody else´s thinking this is ok, old progmen should have their ugly power in this forum, so go on, I won´t disturb you anymore.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 02:12
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Whitesnake has not been influenced only by Led Zeppelin. I disagree that they are just LZ imitators. Coverdale blended the sound of Purple's MK3 with the likes of Free for example, as he was more of an admirer of Paul Rodgers than Robert Plant. That's why songs like Trouble, Hole in the Sky, Only My Soul and Help Me Thru the Day, Blindman have that Free bluesy sound.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 02:52
| ^Agree fully. There is something really soulful in those early Whitesnake albums. And I haven´t said them Zeppelin-imitators, just saying they continue in a good way that hard rock tradition Zeppelin and others started. There was naturally also Free, although they really were much more than just hard rock. |
Posted By: TexasKing
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 10:37
It's an American perception of Whitesnake. I see that American perception of Whitesnake equals a British/European perception of Aerosmith. Whitesnake is underrated and underappreciated band in the USA, while in Europe a thing is totally different - they are beloved. Aerosmith is underrated and underappreciated band in Europe/the UK, while in the USA it's totally a different thing. American rock fans view WS as just another lame-ass poser 80's "hair metal" band not knowing what they've done before the American version of Slide it In. On the other hand Europeans/Brits are absolutely unaware of what Aerosmith has done during the 70's and their perspective of Aerosmith is that they are one lame-ass, poser MTV-era bubblegum rock band who made some awfully cheesy hits, while in the USA they are widely regarded as a domestic rock legends based on the stuff they've done in the 70's.
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 11:14
| ^Well, in Finland Aerosmith was quite respected I think already in the seventies (their albums were in our home villages "youth club" where my brother played records in the youth evenings). Also I had friends in the end of eighties & begin of nineties who were big Aerosmith fans. But so was Whitesnake. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 11:28
I've not been impressed by the newer material. I heard Coverdale-Page and forgot about it. The band that picked up the torch for me back then was Blue Murder. The first album (Sykes, Franklin, Appice) was everything Whitesnake had stopped doing. They did one more album, and that was that. Hey, we had Motorhead, right? ;) ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 11:34
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^ I agree on Blue Murder. So may I ask what has ZZTOp done so great since 1992?
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Posted By: The Dark Elf
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 18:59
First of all, this "you guys" thing and "collective opinions" is bullsh*t and not appreciated. Who the hell do you think you are making blanket statements about people you don't even know? Just because several people think Whitesnake is a bourgeois and banal approximation of Led Zeppelin is a fair condemnation of the band and an opinion that is shared by a large population of music listeners. But please, put up a poll between Led Zeppelin and Whitesnake and see how many posters give a rat's hairy arse for David Coverdale. As far as sharing of opinions, I don't believe you ever seen Micky and myself having knock down drag out fights over Jethro Tull (I love them and Micky has no musical taste evidently, preferring Italian organ grinders and their scurrilous pet monkeys). In regards to your inane opinions, keep them to music and not to posters. ------------- ...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology... |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 22:44
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Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 05 2018 at 22:47
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 04:57
thank you for your answer, but I wanted especially the Whitesnake bashers to answer this. Antenna was ok, the others not so much. I'm starting to think that those who show their disliking of WS have not heard much what they did between 1977 and 1984.
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Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 05:34
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I enjoy more ZZ Top songs but I have nothing against Whitesnake ------------- We all live in an amber subdomain, amber subdomain, amber subdomain. My face IS a maserati |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 07:10
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Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: March 06 2018 at 12:12
Is there really that much WS bashing going on, though? I wouldn't expect them to be a popular band on a forum like this one. Again, a fine hard rock band up through Slide It In. As for ZZ, as Mortte said, Mescalero was a nice return to form. Not a Rush-level comeback, but good. ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |