Bonus Material
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Topic: Bonus Material
Posted By: doompaul
Subject: Bonus Material
Date Posted: March 21 2017 at 16:12
| So, records get rereleased all of the time with bonus material. It has been my experience that these "extras" are not usually worth the inflated price tag for a record I probably already own. What are your thoughts on this and what records have been rereleased with bonus material that can't be missed. |
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: March 21 2017 at 16:26
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Here is a fairly recent thread http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=106270&KW=reissues&PID=5320031#5320031" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=106270&KW=reissues&PID=5320031#5320031 that may have some answers for you. ------------- 
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Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: March 21 2017 at 16:34
| right on. Thanks...didn't see it |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: March 21 2017 at 17:02
| For me, some are worth the the extra price, some are not. Many times, you realize the reason as to why those songs were left out, while on others you wonder why that beautiful song was not included in the original release. Is a hit or miss I guess. |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: March 21 2017 at 20:34
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Properly recorded bonus tracks are great. They can enhance my interest in a band in that album session or year. If they outclass many of the album tracks, then you can see that the band were attempting an album with a different style. Several strong bonus tracks can prove a band never lost it if the album wasn't very good. Attempting a different style of music is due to critics being harsh previously or the band bored of the same stuff. That's why I never rate a band on album tracks alone if there are some very good bonus tracks. It's dumb to rate a band only on what was released on an album unless they had no more material to add. A classic prog band could have done a bad disco album for a laugh and had 10 great extra prog tracks they didn't release. That band is still awesome then and just made a silly decision. But some people stupidly ignore anything not on the album and just say 'nah they're crap now' ;)
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 21 2017 at 22:58
| What I don't understand is the idea of new albums being made with bonus tracks... why don't they just release them as part of the album, what makes them bonus tracks instead of album tracks... it just doesn't make much sense... unless perhaps if they are doing a concept album and they have some great songs that don't fit the concept. As for older albums re-released with bonus tracks, sometimes they do have some great stuff... live songs specially (some good stuff on Camel albums)... and many would consider Jethro Tull to be the kings of great non-album tracks (that have made their way to bonus tracks). One of the songs that comes to my mind that I liked best on it's bonus extra version is "Lady Fantasy" from Camel, somehow the alternate take released as a bonus track on CD was more enjoyable to me... perhaps I would have to listen to both versions again to see if I still think the same, but mostly I think it's because the official release was sped up a bit for the album, and this other take has the real playing speed, and I usually prefer things as they were actually played... plus, the song benefits from being slower. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 02:22
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Bonus cuts now are usually for specific markets (Europe, Japan) and sometimes retail outlets. Sabbath's 13 had an extra track for Best Buy, an American outlet. It wasn't even included on the box set edition. The bonus thing is a whole marketing strategy with numerous different editions of albums looking to fleece the fan, er, I mean provide more material than expected e.g. the box set of Purple's Now What!? went up to a 5 CD edition (3 of which are EPs, 1 live set and DVD). DVDs are another way to create market conditions. Japan usually gets any extra cut or two as CDs are more expensive. Yes' Fly From Here is best enjoyed via the Japanese edition. I have not seen the DVD. They are probably a good idea if they are hi res versions; less so if they are interviews (watch once only type thing). I find the Steven Wilson remaster set are worthwhile upgrades but you may want to hang onto your originals as the two listening experiences are booth worthwhile but different (Yes - Relayer). The first 3 Blue Oyster Cult albums are actually enhanced by the well chosen bonus material. Often the extra material gets put on a second disc. It's good to include B sides, relevant (officially released on original format) live cuts and sometimes comedy moments (Iron Maiden - Mission From 'Arry - which I recall from the single). This is btw the most venomous, vitriolic band argument ever hence the official release. Btw I think it's a good idea to keep this sort of thread contemporary (now and again). It keeps the ideas fresh and updated and helps we consumers make choices. One thing is for sure I never buy a new release on sight. Not now. Often there is a following edition (Bowie - Next Day) that completes the set. I was lucky there, it was actually being sold for less than the single CD which was also available in two versions. I wonder how things would have been had record companies tried this sort of stunt, um, I mean, approached audiences with these novel and innovative ideas in the vinyl only daze. Apart from the 7 and 12 inch singles. This was fun, now it's very serious. Due diligence. Caveat emptor. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 03:02
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Bonus tracks are very seldomly interesting... Unless there are leftover tracks (for lack of space or other reasons) from that recording session or a non-album single or a B-side (two very good examples are Twilight Alehouse and A Day In The Life of Maurice Haylett ((Caravan)... I guess a lot of Beatles albums could have some very cool bonus tracks : ex: Sgt Pepper and All You Need Is Love) Early Traffic album reissues hold some worthy bonus tracks, but also a few uninteresting ones. often bonus tracks are even a hindrance at enjoying the album proper, as they're played right after the album... And shouldn't be... these bonus tracks should be playable from a different menu. If they should be on the same disc at all. What I find even as an unworthy bonus track: an alternate take of a track that's present on the album a live version of an alternate track
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 05:33
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The Bonus tracks on the double CD of The Road of Bones by IQ are even better than the main album. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 06:31
| I sometimes seriously consider paying more to not get bonus material. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 07:28
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What if somebody adds extra material to a concept album? ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 07:51
We kill them. |
octopus-4 wrote:Posted By: Modrigue
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 08:09
"When The Tigers Broke Free" was added to Pink Floyd's "The Final Cut" and it does not denature the concept of the album. BTW, I'm still waiting for the studio version of "What Shall We Do Now?" to be added after "Empty Spaces" in a remastered version of "The Wall"... Even the overpriced immersion box-set doesn't include it!! What were they thinking? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLqf2srRfppHAslEmHBn8QP6d_eoanh0eW" rel="nofollow - My compositions |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 08:15
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Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 09:15
I am with you on that.
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Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 09:30
| There are many bonus tracks I wish I hadn't heard. Wakeman made the point that with vinyl you had 20 minutes a side to get it right - the technology provided the built in quality control. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 11:57
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It all depends on the nature of the extras. If it is a live version of a song already on the CD or an alternate mix, I don't really want it - they rarely enhance my listening. If there are previously unreleased songs or B-sides then that is new material and I want to hear it. For example, my copy of Three of a Perfect Pair has several mixes for Sleepless. Even though there are noticeable differences, I do not want to hear them since I have already heard the song a few minutes before. For archival purposes, I still don't care. Octoberon by Barclay James Harvest added different mixes and edits as well, which I do not care for, but Down to Earth has a few extras not found on the original album which I quite enjoy. It is never the extras that spur me to acquire the album. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 15:32
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Posted By: progmanjum
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 16:59
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Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 17:29
I vaguely remember that. When i was collecting albums back in the dark ages back in the glorious seventies the only bonus material that you would get would be on anthologies or greatest hits releases. Focus, "Dutch Masters" had that "fast " version of Hocus Pocus. I think they threw it on "Ship of Memories" when it came out on CD."Yesterdays" by Yes had "America" and I remember buying "Classic Yes" just to get the 7" record that had previously unreased versions of Roundabout and "I've Seen All Good People". I still have it and I don't think I even played the 33 1/3 LP which was the main record. ! There were a few others that I can't think of right now but it was cool back then to get that extra different version of a track back then when there was no friggin' internet. I bought the Gentle Giant box sets and remasters on CD just because I'm a Gentle Giant freak. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 22:20
I do like "When the Tigers Broke Free"... I actually have it from the Echoes compilation album. Though I have the previous version of "The Final Cut" without that song... I would have bought the album again, but I believe they should also have completed "The Heroes Return" (there was a part 2 released on a single, I believe), since I really like the song, but it's really too short to be enjoyed properly... however, with parts 1 and 2 together, it really sounds like a complete songs, and it's one of my favourites from the album. And yes, "What Shall we do Now" is great too, and The Wall would be better with it included too. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: March 22 2017 at 22:24
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Somoe enhanced CD's with the extra material that the albums did not have are worth it. Here are just a few ... that I enjoy immensely: Grobbschnitt - Solar Music Live -- Various versions of the thing, and all of them are great, and the recording and stuff is amazing. Kudos to Eroc! Grobbschnitt - Rockpommel -- Same as above! Caravan and the new Sinfonia - This live concert done right and almost complete is much better than the album that cut it up and was incomplete. It still shows that the album was magnificent all around ... regardless, but having the whole thing and it being done right, makes this more enjoyable. PFM Cook -- The American album was just a few bits from a couple of shows. The reality is that both of those shows were magnificent, and the CD (triple, too!) has almost both nights, and there are some very neat things in there! Impossible different versions and materials. The one person that is perhaps the guiltiest of this is Klaus Schulze, but in the end, the pieces all differ so much that it is not the same thing at all, and it feels totally different. I remember my reaction to "Bodylove" and "Bodylove 2", and while it was (maybe!) the same thing, in the end it wasn't, and they felt completely different. Likewise, his doing live versions of various things, never got close to the albums at all ... and this, like Tangerine Dream, made it a fun thing to listen to and enjoy ... new material all the time, and right there in front of you it was being created! Insanely and amazingly stupid is KS's group not relleasing the Private Tapes that have some awesome material and should get a wider release, which will likely get him more recognition. But this stuff simply being buried in the virus infested world of one website and then the tube, is pathetic and a bad way to show the beautiful work that KS put together. Shamefully, his "agent" and resident turkey, said ... too bad ... in an email. That's respect for you! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 04:01
------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 04:25
| ^ Ah! Double albums thus provided more 'space' - I actually like Tales a lot but sides 3 and 4 are over-extended. It would have been better as a single-and-a-half album maybe? I can only think of one band that took that option, Hawkwind's This is Hawkwind, Do Not Panic, whereby they produced a single album of one concert and then an EP of another. I don't think anyone thought outside the box in the early 70s, it had to be a single, or a double, or even a triple... |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 07:23
The only other album + EP release that I know of is Be Bop Deluxe's Live in the Air Age from 1977. ------------- He neither drank, smoked, nor rode a bicycle. Living frugally, saving his money, he died early, surrounded by greedy relatives. It was a great lesson to me -- John Barrymore |
Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 07:29
| Yes, I have that. Without checking I think that was an album plus single. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 07:58
in some ways, I understand it, but wouldn't this become a scamming... You buy the album without bonus more expensive than the version with bonus...  Don't give them ideas
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Posted By: unclemeat69
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 08:12
Rick Wakeman once stated that Tales would have been a much better album if there were cd's back then. I like my cds with lots of bonus material (boxed sets etc, for the albums I don't care for that much I wouldn't buy a boxed set any way). It's nice to have it all, doesn't mean I have to listen to it all, I can rip to my computer and listen just to the album and a selection of my favorite outtakes, b-sides etc. There can be some interesting stuff in there. ------------- Follow your bliss |
Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 09:30
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We all want a "bonus" at the end of the year in our pay checks.....I'm good with a bonus on my albums. -------------
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Posted By: doompaul
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 10:24
| haven't seen one of those for years. |
Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 11:38
EP had "Shine" on side one, and "Sister Seagull" and "Maid in Heaven" on side two. For my money the version of "Shine" included on the EP was worth the price of admission for the whole package  ------------- He neither drank, smoked, nor rode a bicycle. Living frugally, saving his money, he died early, surrounded by greedy relatives. It was a great lesson to me -- John Barrymore |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 12:28
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Sometime I feel that feeling mild enjoyment on hearing a CD is a bonus. ------------- What? |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 14:52
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I sometimes find that waking up in the morning is a bonus. What was this thread's topic again? ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: March 23 2017 at 15:18
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Most bonus material is bogus material. ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 03:01
I stopped saying that years ago.  Just tired of repeating myself
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Posted By: Hrychu
Date Posted: March 24 2017 at 04:47
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The bonus making of documentaries on Transatlantic albums are IMO better than the music. ------------- Bez pierdolenia sygnał zerwie, to w realia wychodź w hełmie! |
Posted By: beeebon
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 00:49
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Bonus tracks are a pretty mixed bag in general. I have nothing against them however sometimes I wish they were just on a second disc rather than play once the album proper has finished. Case in point is Love's Forever Changes. You Set The Scene is one of the all time greatest closing songs on any album ever and it totally ruins the mood when studio outtakes start as the album finishes! I particularly like all thebonus stuff on the 40th Anniversary Deluxe Edition of In The Land Of Grey and Pink by Caravan. |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 03:07
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Oh the Caravan bonus material is superb. Never regret getting those. One thing that does / did bug me was in this case ELP's Pictures. New on CD with bonus material. A week later reissued with more bonus material. It would be nice if all bonus material could be collected in one set e.g. Yes' remasters (pre-SW remixes anyway). |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 03:35
yes the average quality of Caravan bonus tracks is way up there with Jethro Tull... However I would still like them to be on a separate discn except for A Day In The Life of Haylett., which I think should've been on an album proper.
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Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: March 28 2017 at 04:16
| Bonus materiel is one of the reasons why I quit CD for Vinyl. |