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Is Fool's Overture Overlooked?

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Topic: Is Fool's Overture Overlooked?
Posted By: Pinkyesgenesistull
Subject: Is Fool's Overture Overlooked?
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 15:06
Supertramp, as much as I love the band, really isnt prog. But a few songs are, including Fool's Overture which I think is an overlooked masterpiece in prog. What do you guys think? Do you think its overlooked?



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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 15:17
It's not overlooked in my experience. I've known plenty of people who love it who are both into Prog and not into Prog, and it has been played on classic rock radio here in Vancouver regularly. To me it works well as a companion piece to Elton John's "Funeral for a Friend/ Love Lies Bleeding".

The long Supertramp track that I think wonderful and hasn't got as much attention as I would like, at least that I've noticed, is "Try Again" off of Supertramp's debut album.

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Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 16:16
I love it; and it ended up on rank 129 here, so it's certainly not totally overlooked:
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=107690


Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 17:35
a unbelievable masterwork from the band in it,s prime, not only prog but a great album overall


Posted By: zravkapt
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 18:50
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

It's not overlooked in my experience. I've known plenty of people who love it who are both into Prog and not into Prog, and it has been played on classic rock radio here in Vancouver regularly. To me it works well as a companion piece to Elton John's "Funeral for a Friend/ Love Lies Bleeding".

The long Supertramp track that I think wonderful and hasn't got as much attention as I would like, at least that I've noticed, is "Try Again" off of Supertramp's debut album.

As a fellow Canuckistanian maybe you can confirm something for me. There was a Canadian news program, maybe W5?, that used the synth riff from FO for the opening theme music. If it wasn't that then it was only on some local show from southern Ontario in the '80s.


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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 19:28
This and Telegraph Road by Dire Straits are two long tracks by bands who maybe aren't known for longer songs. Supertramp being more proggy than DS but over all probably closer to art rock where as Dire Straits were mostly just rock or roots rock.


Posted By: grantman
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 19:28
yes it was used as the intro to w5


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 22:24
Watching W5 with my parents when they used that theme is a memorable part of my childhood (was a TV staple in the family house).



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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: May 01 2017 at 22:43
Non

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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 00:14
Anthemic genius ! A fabulous piece I saw live At Parc Jarry, bewildering!

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 02:53
It's rarely mentioned here, so I guess you could say it's over looked.

That whole album is somewhat overshadowed by Crime of the Century and Breakfast in America, which is understandable as they are immeasurably superior albums IMO.

Fools Overture is very good though.

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Posted By: JKI
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 04:23
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Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 04:31
Brilliant song !!
But only the 'tramp's debut is full-blown Prog IMO.


Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 05:17
i have the album. When I was buying albums back in the dark ages the question of whether or not it was a particular style never really entered my head. 


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 05:25
Originally posted by Tom Ozric Tom Ozric wrote:

Brilliant song !!
But only the 'tramp's debut is full-blown Prog IMO.


Ironically one of their worst albums too, bar the very late offerings..

Their strength was song writing, not noodling and meandering all over the place.

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Posted By: Tillerman88
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 05:30
Great band! Really irrelevant to me what how their music would be categorized. 
School was the first I heard from them , their use of harmonica there was love at the first sight!


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Posted By: Juan K
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 08:15
Another Supertramp track, Another Man's Woman, was used for years as the intro to Informe Semanal, a tv program that has the record as the longest running over here (it still has the same place at Saturday night). They used the wonderful instrumental coda of the song.
And the guy who selected the intro theme had good taste, after that they used for another couple years the main theme from Bladerunner.


Posted By: Juan K
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 08:16
I don't think that Fool's Overture is overlooked, at least from my point of view. Supertramp were VERY big in Spain, where Breakfast in America broke record sales in its day.


Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 10:39
Come to think of it they were huge in Montreal, Quebec, Canada where i grew up. Saw them in Jarry Park with Jean-Luc Ponty opening up. So it was a win-win. Don't remember them playing Fool's Overture though.


Posted By: Mascodagama
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 11:35
It had certainly been overlooked by me, as I'd never actually heard it. Supertramp have largely passed me by.

Now that I have finally taken the time to listen to it...I dislike it intensely LOL


Posted By: WeepingElf
Date Posted: May 02 2017 at 11:52
There are quite a few pieces from bands that aren't prog as a whole which nevertheless qualify as prog songs. Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" and Led Zeppelin's "Stairway to Heaven" are the most famous examples. "Fool's Overture" is another. I call this phenomenon "slipstream prog". But then Supertramp are much closer to being a prog band than either Queen or Led Zeppelin.



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Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: May 04 2017 at 15:06
Overlooked? Maybe. Awesome? Definitely!!!!


Posted By: Intruder
Date Posted: May 04 2017 at 20:09
I'd say overlooked by me, personally.  I dig the classic Tramp as much as anyone, but I've never been able to warm to most of Quietest......maybe it's that I've owned a first generation CD copy that leaves the whole thing limp.....no sass, weak highs and inaudible lows.....then again, maybe not - nothing ever caught my ear from EITQM, especially the epic Overture.

Convince me that an original vinyl pressing may show me the way.....I've always sided with the more acoustic end of Supertramp.  Crisis is their best, IMO, but their first, a full half of Stamped, and most all of Crime are all excellent.  EITQM - man, I've tried....and tried.  Nuttin'.  


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