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Topic: new steven wilson song
Posted By: heavydrum
Subject: new steven wilson song
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 01:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXNE_l1YUHU

from the new album "to the bone", coming in august.
i think i'm one of the few people who didn't like "hand. cannot. erase.", i found it quite boring and lacking inventiveness compared to an incredible album like "grace for drowning". this track seems to go in that same direction, same old harmonic changes, same old melodies, same sounds. 
he's got his trademark writing, ok, but now it's getting really lame, at least for me. i hope the album will change my mind.



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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 02:08
The man has been making music for 30 years and the only time the world outside of prog fans took notice of his music was with Hand.Cannot.Erase. Music fans from as fickle a site as RYM even loved it.
I don't blame him for cashing in on this newly found success of his and I hope he gets what he deserves (pun intended).
Anyway he has been making the same kind of album for a couple of years now, which is what can be expected of an old warhorse. It's far from every musician - even in the prog world - who's able to constantly evolve their sound and approach to music. I only know of a few rare instances tbh.

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 02:55
Sleepy


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 03:04
So you're looking forward to the new SWilson eh Samuel?

Man I hope he doesn't do an Edgar Froese ie turn himself into a charicature of himself just endlessly releasing the same album for years on end. I love Edgar but he ceased being interesting 30 years ago because of that.
A vacation might do Steven some good.

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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 03:11
Good stuff. Glad to hear more of Ninet. HCE was a grower, but I definitly now like it more than the previous two albums (Insurgentes remains very hard to top, though).

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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 03:11
It's a totally reliable new song that ticks plenty of the usual boxes without being massively exciting or actually terrible. Those most raving of fanboys will love it blindly, and those that can't stand the man will think it's exactly like all his other recent music.

But is that the same female singer from the `H.C.E' album and who sung the chorus on the remake of PTree's `Don't Hate Me'? Urgh...I seem to be in the minority that isn't crazy about her...   


Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 03:20
Update - I think the bigger issue is the f*cking front cover!!



Definitely one his multitude of lady fans are going to go crazy for..."Oh Steven, you're so raw, so exposed and naked in your words and voice.....""



Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 03:22
Nope you're not alone there Michael. Not too fond of her either.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 03:23

Blue Man Group goes emo.

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 03:48
Originally posted by Guldbamsen Guldbamsen wrote:

So you're looking forward to the new SWilson eh Samuel?  

Man I hope he doesn't do an Edgar Froese ie turn himself into a charicature of himself just endlessly releasing the same album for years on end. I love Edgar but he ceased being interesting 30 years ago because of that. 
A vacation might do Steven some good.
I'm looking forward to skip it Tongue

Yeah, he should have released an album every five years or so and just pick the best tracks. There's some good stuff on his later work.

Originally posted by Kotro Kotro wrote:

Good stuff. Glad to hear more of Ninet. HCE was a grower, but I definitly now like it more than the previous two albums (Insurgentes remains very hard to top, though).
For me it only became worse with more spins Ermm I much prefer the previous two.


Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 04:01
Yeah Insurgentes is far and away his best solo offering (not counting Up The Downstair). The desolate 80s post-punk vibes really had a hand in making that album sound unique within his discography. I remember reading an interview with him at around the time where he mentioned The Cure being one of the main influences. Coupled together with his usual psych tendencies it really made for an interesting and quite beautiful album.

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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 04:13
^ I still don't have that one. I once ordered it on DVD, thinking it was the album in Hi-Res, but I got a rather boring documentary with the same name Wacko


Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 10:25
He should have at least shown his nipples on that cover...

Hopes are low for the new album, but I'll give a listen to this song when I can.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 10:52
This site for the most part will prolly hate on the album. As he states, think prog-pop music by PG, Kate Bush, Tears For Fears, that should be the mood you are in for this one.
The released Pariah is ok, might be a grower and Ninet does an admirable job, I never expect the "released" single to be yuuge!

As I said on another site, which already has 7 pages about this new release, you have to look at his albums as individual works, not a collection. They are not similar, and I think he does this on purpose, heck if you removed the vocals, a listener not familiar with SW/PT might think they are all different artists, his solo works.

The cover art is not to my liking..not a fan of seeing the artist on the cover, too easy.

Ordered the vinyl (duh!) as it is 45RPM, half speed mastered.....should be sweet! And at US$32.00 is a really good price for it. 


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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 11:04
I INSTANTLY thought of Peter Gabriel and Kate Bush's `Don't Give Up' when I heard the shared vocals on this one, and sure enough, when I got the email from Burning Shed mentioning it just before racing off to work tonight it mentioned a `Modernist Pop record' similar to Peter Gabriel's `So' etc.

Definitely the image cover drives home the `pop' element of the album. This is Wilson taking advantage of his current status, ready to offer something that will potentially bring in even more `muggles', and it will no doubt only raise his profile even higher.

But the `pop' description isn't initially offputting or surprising, there's been pop pieces on every single release he's put out since even `On the Sunday of Life'....well, maybe not `Metanoia' or `Voyage 34'


Posted By: silverpot
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 13:03
I hate to say this, but, this song sounds like one of the entries to the European Song Contest.  Albeit one of the more ambitious ones. LOL
I'm disappointed.


Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 13:22
I hope that we get more "meat to the bone" on some others songs before buying this.


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Posted By: LearsFool
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 15:02
"Pariah" is mainly built off of stuff that made up the rather boring HCE, but that shoegaze climax was wonderful and something Swilson has never tried before. Looks like there's some hope still left for his solo career.

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Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 16:10
My earlier posts don't seem to reflect my love for Steven's work which made me rather sad. I absolutely adore his early PT years, and I am actually one of those who finds him rather unique - at least for a couple of albums he sounded completely like himself (granted with a certain Floydian breeze) and made an album like Up the Downstair which is about the only album I've ever heard to mix prog rock with IDM...successfully to boot. The original 35 minute Sky Moves Sideways track is like that too - complete with wonderful beats instead of drums. Normally I hate that sh*t. I loooooooove the sound of real drums. Modern one-man prog ventures are literally infested with programmed drums and I have a special place reserved in hell for most of them. With Steven though it works. The beat becomes fluid and hypnotic. Umm hypnotic.

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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: May 09 2017 at 21:35
I just gave it a listen and may need more to get a better opinion, but it sounds good enough. I'll have to hear it again and hope he's got some better stuff on the album.


Posted By: ginodi
Date Posted: May 10 2017 at 08:10
Haters already...this is like reading comments on Facebook for Dream Theater and Opeth--where the hatred spews forth because there is no more Portnoy, or the later isn't delivering the amazing metal thud they once did. There is amazing music coming that feeds my Prog obsession, and at an early point one learns what to purchase or totally ignore. Wilson isn't one to ignore. I like the new song...can't wait to hear the rest. I gotta go to work. Best of a day to everyone. 


Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: May 10 2017 at 08:22


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 10 2017 at 09:19
I'm liking the song more and more, that drone noise towards the end is nice.......I'm also looking forward to a more happy upbeat mood on this album as SW stated.
Depressing songs like Routine and The Raven, albeit great songs, can be tough sometimes. I remember when The Raven came out and I was cranking that song pretty loud, my wife came down stairs to the audio room and said "WTF is that, sounds like haunted house music!!" LOL

EDIT: I love getting royally F***ed by captcha......totally makes my F***ing day!


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Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: May 10 2017 at 23:00
the new song is fine and I'll get the new album---but honestly his extreme depression is getting to me---we are living in crazy down times and I'm not seeking out depressing music to listen to on a daily basisWink


Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: May 11 2017 at 01:18


Much to my surprise I didn't dislike the new song.

From an interview I understood he wants to let his 80s pop influences come to the fore so this could actually be a more interesting album for me than the two preceeding PROG ones which I don't like much at all.

And everybody is talking about that cover. So it is a good cover. Ugly as it is.




Posted By: RoeDent
Date Posted: May 11 2017 at 12:19
The press release announcing the album mentioned albums like So, Colour of Spring, Hounds of Love and The Seeds of Love, definitely at the more ambitious end of the 80s pop spectrum.

Shame not many people round here seem to like his music. Must be the inherent and institutionalized snobbery among certain prog fans towards anything reeking of popular acclaim. It's the only feasible explanation as to why such incredible music can possibly be hated.


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: May 11 2017 at 15:00
Originally posted by RoeDent RoeDent wrote:

The press release announcing the album mentioned albums like So, Colour of Spring, Hounds of Love and The Seeds of Love, definitely at the more ambitious end of the 80s pop spectrum.

Shame not many people round here seem to like his music. Must be the inherent and institutionalized snobbery among certain prog fans towards anything reeking of popular acclaim. It's the only feasible explanation as to why such incredible music can possibly be hated.

Genesis post PG....Yes 90125/Big Generator.

Problem is even though his music might be leaning towards more popular acclaim it will never be popular



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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: May 12 2017 at 22:14
Hi,

In one of his interviews on the toobe, he made the comment that he sacrificed his personal life for music. Honestly, I am almost thinking that this is a song, suggesting that he is now rethinking that stage ... life is as much a part of music, as music is a part of life, is my way of looking at it.

I kinda think that he might feel that he will lose the "hard" edge in his music, if the "softness" enters his life, with a family, but honestly? ... it's all talk ... things are never the same we think ... and SW is no different than any of us at all.

I like the song, but I think that it is "overdone" in the sense that he has said all this before and is merely redoing it again. Typical pop mentality, and now I think that I know why PT is not going to be anymore ... SW has sold out. 


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Posted By: Zugzwang
Date Posted: June 02 2017 at 07:23
Another new track here:  http://open.spotify.com/album/4huFKijAmgqEUjlWLs4SW8" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/album/4huFKijAmgqEUjlWLs4SW8
Funny how he went from refusing to even be on streaming services to releasing his new track exclusively on streaming services within a year.

As for the music, it sounds like it belongs on Stupid Dream.


Posted By: Duke of Rother
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 01:40
Originally posted by RoeDent RoeDent wrote:

The press release announcing the album mentioned albums like So, Colour of Spring, Hounds of Love and The Seeds of Love, definitely at the more ambitious end of the 80s pop spectrum.

Shame not many people round here seem to like his music. Must be the inherent and institutionalized snobbery among certain prog fans towards anything reeking of popular acclaim. It's the only feasible explanation as to why such incredible music can possibly be hated.




Entirely nailed.

I have enjoyed to one degree or another almost everything SW has released down the years - the ambient stuff less - but H.C.E is, for me, the best of the lot. The level of progginess is HUGE in most songs, but there is a smoothness about what he does and it is so easy to find a catchy melody in amongst the songs and extended instrumental sections it seems he is putting some off.

I find it a bit bizarre but hey, each to our own.

The 2 early releases from H.C.E were the 2 lightest and most easily accessible (almost radio friendly) songs, and I suspect the same has been done this time. The real mighty meat will not be on show until full release.

Oh and I like Ninet Tayeb's voice a lot. There's a dusky exotic depth to it that appeals hugely.


Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 11:49
Originally posted by Zugzwang Zugzwang wrote:

Another new track here:  http://open.spotify.com/album/4huFKijAmgqEUjlWLs4SW8" rel="nofollow - https://open.spotify.com/album/4huFKijAmgqEUjlWLs4SW8
Funny how he went from refusing to even be on streaming services to releasing his new track exclusively on streaming services within a year.

As for the music, it sounds like it belongs on Stupid Dream.

This is exactly what I thought hearing the second new track, these could have come from Stupid Dream or Lightbulb Sun.


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Posted By: Mirror Image
Date Posted: June 04 2017 at 14:19
Originally posted by heavydrum heavydrum wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXNE_l1YUHU

from the new album "to the bone", coming in august.
i think i'm one of the few people who didn't like "hand. cannot. erase.", i found it quite boring and lacking inventiveness compared to an incredible album like "grace for drowning". this track seems to go in that same direction, same old harmonic changes, same old melodies, same sounds. 
he's got his trademark writing, ok, but now it's getting really lame, at least for me. i hope the album will change my mind.

I’m quite the opposite of you. I didn’t think much of Grace for Drowning as it seemed rather boring to me overall. Hand. Cannot. Erase. and The Raven That Refused to Sing have been his finest efforts so far outside of Porcupine Tree IMHO.


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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 09 2017 at 14:14
The Same Asylum As Before, I do like this song. I hear Yes and Stupid Dream influences......All good.
The recent release Song of I, well that one is gonna piss-off the prog elitists LOL. That song has Prince written all over it, which for me is just fine. Overall the song is ok, I like it better when I picture Prince singing it.....


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Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 04:24
Stern SmileSickDead


Posted By: Watchmaker
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 06:51
I was expecting all the fanboys to speak the same nonsense again and to convince themselves that they adore and "understand" it but thank goodness they didn't.
I still think Steven is the most important musician of his generation that I know of, but, come on, this is mediocre.

I think there are two paths he can successfully follow now. The first path leads to popularity among the casual listeners and involves him doing pop/commercial stuff.
The second path consists of him realising that his first cycle in music has run its course and going back to pink floyd, psychedelic/space/ambient stuff and audio engineering.

Or, maybe, the new album is going to be great, or, maybe, he will return to something else, or...


Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 07:43
^ Just wait for the bollywood music video LOL


Posted By: Watchmaker
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 07:47
I've seen the pics Stern Smile


Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 09:00
Just listened to the song on the train to work......Pop to the n'th degree. I am not sure what radio station here in the US will play it, maybe in Los Angeles, NY places like that but in other cities I struggle thinking it will get airplay. Not because the song is not pop, but because nobody in the mainstream knows who SW is.

I am totally fine with the song, he will get more women to his live shows because of this album. But I don't think he will become more pop-ular....
It worked for Genesis, Yes, PF, PGabriel, Phil Collins..these were/are all monster bands in rock, prog, psych and very popular on the FM dial, Porcupine Tree and SW are not.

I wish him well always and I want all artists, specially prog, to get their due (money), these guys put serious hours into their craft and get probably minimum wage salary when you count the hours they clock.

Like I said before, this album will not fare well with the furrow browed prog-elitist that populate this site. If you enjoy good music without a label then you may enjoy it.

I wonder what path he will take after this album, I do think it will sell well, but I think in live shows he will get slammed if most of the show is songs like this and not from back catalog.
He is insanely talented, but I suspect this album will hurt his reputation for those without an open mind. From that perspective I say let it roll and press those records and ship them!

Prog is such a dead genre today that maybe this will serve as some kind of wake up call......


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Posted By: Aussie-Byrd-Brother
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 09:13
OK, so it's unashamedly pop, and with quite a big ELO influence and a touch of Beatles in a few spots, and to be fair it's actually a perfectly good disposable pop song. Catchy falsetto vocal, brainless repeated lyric to get lodged into your head....mission accomplished.

Have to admit, though, I was getting a bit restless, fidgety and pretty sick of it by the end (perhaps could have done with the briefest of solos instead of Steven essentially singing the entire time), but sure enough that `Hold on....' line is lodged in my head - well played, Steve!


Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 09:21
I had no problem with his Pop stuff with Porcupine Tree but I find impossible to connect with his new music. Honestly, it's not difficult to imagine Katy Perry singing this instead. I feel bad for Craig Blundell having to play the same beat from beginning to end, such a waste of great talent.


Posted By: tboyd1802
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 12:49
I've liked the first three releases from the new disc with my favorite probably being Song of I. This most recent release - well, let's just say its not my cup of tea...

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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 14:48
Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I had no problem with his Pop stuff with Porcupine Tree but I find impossible to connect with his new music. Honestly, it's not difficult to imagine Katy Perry singing this instead. I feel bad for Craig Blundell having to play the same beat from beginning to end, such a waste of great talent.

Blundell is a master of techno-beat-drums, he wins all those techno drum battles, he likes EM so I bet he was happy to play this stuff.
Katy is super eye candy so I would be fine with SW using her on his album.......Smile


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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 30 2017 at 20:59
Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

Originally posted by Meltdowner Meltdowner wrote:

I had no problem with his Pop stuff with Porcupine Tree but I find impossible to connect with his new music. Honestly, it's not difficult to imagine Katy Perry singing this instead. I feel bad for Craig Blundell having to play the same beat from beginning to end, such a waste of great talent.


Blundell is a master of techno-beat-drums, he wins all those techno drum battles, he likes EM so I bet he was happy to play this stuff.
Katy is super eye candy so I would be fine with SW using her on his album.......Smile


Yeah, Katy Perry may be eye candy, but that wouldn't matter in the album anyway... she doesn't sing bad either, but Ninet is just perfect. Now, if he got Katy to sing with him in a concert, then that would help more on the eye candy side of things. However, once a collegue at work said he had to take his daughters to see Katy Perry... and even though he's more of a classic rock / metal guy, he wasn't all that annoyed because at least she was hot... still I said if you apreciate the looks, then at least one might go and see an Epica concert.


Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: July 01 2017 at 02:06
As an aside, I think Katy Perry is mediocre looking. In all honesty, don't laugh, but Lady Gaga turns me on.......
And, I haven't (yet) heard anything particularly 'weak' from Wilson. Opinions are prone to change though (on Wilson, not Gaga - watching her sing Moth Into Flame with Metallica got me excited......)



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