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Topic: Masterpieces Never Played in Concert
Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Subject: Masterpieces Never Played in Concert
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 08:53
I've seen Jethro Tull in concert many times.  I yearned for Ian to perform "Baker Street Muse".  As far as I know, Jethro Tull never played "Baker Street Muse" live.


  I know the Minstrel in the Gallery chapter of Tull was painful for Ian because of his divorce.   Ian has said multiple times,  he didn't like Minstrel in the Gallery.  "Minstrel in the Gallery" may not be my favorite Tull album but I feel it's Tull at their most heart breaking beautiful. 

"March of the Black Queen" always get my blood pumping.  I saw Queen 4 times in the 70's but only 1 time was I serenaded by a short section of "March of the Black Queen" on one of Queen's signature medleys.  I'm pretty sure Queen never performed "March of the Black Queen" in it's entirety. 


There must be other epics and masterpieces that never saw the foot lights of the stage.   Please share songs you wish were played live.



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Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 11:23
"I yearned for Ian to perform "Baker Street Muse".  As far as I know, Jethro Tull never played "Baker Street Muse" live."

it's one  of my favorite Jethro tracks. Being quite long doesn't make it concert-friendly.


Posted By: mechanicalflattery
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 13:11
If I recall correctly, Pink Floyd never played Summer '68 live. I'd be curious to know about Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast or most of the Ummagumma studio material as well. 


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 13:26
You can research songs played in concert at ( http://www.setlist.fm/)    Although not perfect, the site is very good for research and checking out band setlists you wish to see.

I don't think Floyd ever played "Summer 68" live.  However Pink Floyd did perform Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast in 1970. 


Alive pseudo one 



Posted By: Malkovith1
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 15:56
I think Anathema played this only once and very recently on their special show revisiting their doom era.


Posted By: Kepler62
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 17:27
I've seen Jethro Tull quite a few times and it was always good to see them having a balance between the older stuff and the newer stuff even on the A tour. There's a lot of music  I would have like to experienced live. Like the original Mahavishnu Orchestra. Waited a long time to hear the Ttracks on the live Between Nothingness and Eternity done in the studio on The Lost Trident Sessions! Fortunately some bands did full albums live and that was cool. It was great seeing the Musical Box doing full early Genesis albums on a number of occasions. I saw them do a mixture once which was OK. Didn't really like the post-Hackett garbage. What I need is a time machine. Go see some Gentle Giant shows. 


Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 17:37
Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:

If I recall correctly, Pink Floyd never played Summer '68 live. I'd be curious to know about Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast or most of the Ummagumma studio material as well. 

A lot of that material was re-worked into The Man & The Journey. This was recently released on that massive boxset. I was really looking forward to hearing The Narrow Way (part 3) live. But let me warn you: It's bloody awful! Gilmour didn't even try to hit the notes; i never heard him sounding so off-key. I'm quite frankly surprised they let it see the light of day; if it'd had been me, I'd have burned every copy. Or at least, overdubbed it in the studio. Yes, it really is that bad LOL


Posted By: Luqueasaur
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 19:34
March of the Black Queen was fairly too complicated and complex to be played live. Queen was no prog band with no prog pretensions so they wouldn't care about the fancy explosiveness necessary to be able to play it live, so it would be better to just pretend it didn't exist.


Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: June 17 2017 at 22:03
Originally posted by jude111 jude111 wrote:

Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:

If I recall correctly, Pink Floyd never played Summer '68 live. I'd be curious to know about Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast or most of the Ummagumma studio material as well. 

A lot of that material was re-worked into The Man & The Journey. This was recently released on that massive boxset. I was really looking forward to hearing The Narrow Way (part 3) live. But let me warn you: It's bloody awful! Gilmour didn't even try to hit the notes; i never heard him sounding so off-key. I'm quite frankly surprised they let it see the light of day; if it'd had been me, I'd have burned every copy. Or at least, overdubbed it in the studio. Yes, it really is that bad LOL


I have not been able to hear that version of The Narrow Way yet, and even though I have been wanting a live version of that song, so that I could hear it performed by the whole band instead of Gilmour playing all instruments, the fact that it was about a minute shorter than the studio version made me nervous and wasn't really expecting it to be better than the original. Now it seems you have confirmed my fear.


Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: June 18 2017 at 05:09
The Man and The Journey was written first and various bits appropriated and appeared on Ummagumma and More and Relics. Of course the constant re writing of Saucer also held the whole work back. Re writing Stethoscope was also a little unwise. A bit of new material to replace the re writes and that may have been the missing album. Of course it may still be that, or just nearly.



Posted By: Replayer
Date Posted: June 18 2017 at 15:18
Deep Purple's April was never performed live, but there exists a 1969 video of the band miming the performance, complete with orchestral accompaniment. The singer in the video is Ian Gillian, even though it ws Rod Evans who sang vocals on the song.




Posted By: Junges
Date Posted: June 18 2017 at 15:45
Originally posted by Malkovith1 Malkovith1 wrote:

I think Anathema played this only once and very recently on their special show revisiting their doom era.
When did they play it?


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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: June 18 2017 at 17:11
Originally posted by Luqueasaur Luqueasaur wrote:

March of the Black Queen was fairly too complicated and complex to be played live. Queen was no prog band with no prog pretensions so they wouldn't care about the fancy explosiveness necessary to be able to play it live, so it would be better to just pretend it didn't exist.
Well said.


Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 07:11
I din't think Genesis ever played Mad Man Moon. Is that considered a masterpiece. I think it's pretty damn good.

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Posted By: AlanB
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 07:53
Wishbone Ash's first album has two long, proggy tracks on side 2. Phoenix has been played to death over the last nearly 50 years, but Handy (which I actually prefer) hasn't been played live by any version of the band since about 1971. I keep dropping hints to Martin Turner to try and get it played, but to no avail.


Posted By: twosteves
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 08:48
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I din't think Genesis ever played Mad Man Moon. Is that considered a masterpiece. I think it's pretty damn good.

I think its a masterpiece too---They may have tried it once and it was difficult to play---the middle part. But not sure. I like That, that is and don't think Yes played it.


Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 19 2017 at 11:28
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I din't think Genesis ever played Mad Man Moon. Is that considered a masterpiece. I think it's pretty damn good.

It's a masterpiece to me - my favorite from the post-Gabriel era.


Posted By: chunky1
Date Posted: June 20 2017 at 05:40
I have been on Guns N Roses couple of days ago in London surprised how good is Axl Rose voice after so many years of break.


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Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: June 21 2017 at 07:23

To Tame a land and Alexander the great by Iron maiden. The first one is not played on copyright grounds, the latter because long and with political connotations. 



Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 21 2017 at 16:26
Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:

If I recall correctly, Pink Floyd never played Summer '68 live. I'd be curious to know about Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast or most of the Ummagumma studio material as well. 

Alan's and other special effects moments used by Pink Floyd, were all a part of the whole concert experience in their "quadraphonic" days, when they had little stories in special effects going 360 around your head, and eventually many of them led to the next song. There is a "real" Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast in the movie "PF Live in Pompeii" with its outtakes.

The full and complete implementation of all these effects came about in "The Wall" when they were no longer pieces in between the songs, but actually a strong part of the story. By comparison, DSOTM was not exactly together, but its order was quite enjoyable, and strong. But only side one has the effects come up to something, that even today, many think is a waste, but it became an important idea to the concept. However weird and difficult it might be to translate that.

Any more chips and beans?


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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: June 21 2017 at 16:40
Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:

If I recall correctly, Pink Floyd never played Summer '68 live. I'd be curious to know about Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast or most of the Ummagumma studio material as well. 

Alan's and other special effects moments used by Pink Floyd, were all a part of the whole concert experience in their "quadraphonic" days, when they had little stories in special effects going 360 around your head, and eventually many of them led to the next song. There is a "real" Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast in the movie "PF Live in Pompeii" with its outtakes.

The full and complete implementation of all these effects came about in "The Wall" when they were no longer pieces in between the songs, but actually a strong part of the story. By comparison, DSOTM was not exactly together, but its order was quite enjoyable, and strong. But only side one has the effects come up to something, that even today, many think is a waste, but it became an important idea to the concept. However weird and difficult it might be to translate that.

Any more chips and beans?

ahhh..
 
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I have to be honest....reading your posts make me f**king horny.. 


Posted By: ForestFriend
Date Posted: June 21 2017 at 16:55
The Fountain Of Lamneth by Rush - I'm sure some will debate it's masterpiece status, but I think it qualifies as an epic. Understandable that they didn't play it since when it was released they weren't doing a lot of big gigs - playing that and The Necromancer while opening for KISS would've been a career suicide for sure. Granted, it's possible that they played it once in some random town and nobody cared to record it, then again, this is the band that didn't play 2112 in full until 20 years after it was released.

It's also unfortunate that they didn't play The Necromancer often enough to have it featured on a live album (or at least a great sounding bootleg).





Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 07:07
Hi,

[/quote=micky]
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just so you know.. whenever I finally take over this site there will be a lot of changes. One good one though.  I'm creating a special position for you man

PA's poet laureate...

I have to be honest....reading your posts make me f**king horny.. 
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Thank you ... and the ghost of Dean will still come after me! He was "there", too, and sometimes has quite a different view than mine, from Southern California. His view, is also quite valid and many times helps me even more, make sense of some things. Specially his technical side, when I am more of an idealistic side.

At least in Southern California, there was no concert of a big name, where some sex was not involved, and even Tangerine Dream got that honor in my book. And the ladies? Ohhh what I would do to be with them again!

Funny side of things ... I just don't see that many "prog" bands these days as "sexy" ... as so many of the other bands were in those days. The audience for Genesis was already older, and not into sex (so to speak) and the lively time of a group like The Doors, was already over, and Jefferson Airplane, had already dissolved into a very disfunctional family, although Hot Tuna, did a lot better! The YES audience, for me, after the early days, was way too much into the hip folks that were no longer hip. You should see that audience, when I saw them here at the Casino, on Chris' last tour, I think it was. It felt like the Brazilian Carnaval, without the sexiness!


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Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: June 22 2017 at 13:09
Originally posted by ForestFriend ForestFriend wrote:

The Fountain Of Lamneth by Rush - I'm sure some will debate it's masterpiece status, but I think it qualifies as an epic. Understandable that they didn't play it since when it was released they weren't doing a lot of big gigs - playing that and The Necromancer while opening for KISS would've been a career suicide for sure. Granted, it's possible that they played it once in some random town and nobody cared to record it, then again, this is the band that didn't play 2112 in full until 20 years after it was released.

It's also unfortunate that they didn't play The Necromancer often enough to have it featured on a live album (or at least a great sounding bootleg).




Good Call ForestFriend!   Certainly a Rush epic!      


Posted By: Big Ears
Date Posted: June 25 2017 at 16:10
Deep Purple did not play Sail Away live, although Glenn Hughes has included it in his solo set.


Posted By: progbethyname
Date Posted: June 25 2017 at 17:28
Metallica's most recent masterpiece track 'Spit Out the bone' has yet to be played live yet...the day will come though. :)

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Posted By: fudgenuts64
Date Posted: June 25 2017 at 19:06
Gotta be Fountain of Lamneth. My favorite Rush epic and I really wish they played it when it was new.

Mad Man Moon wouldn't have really worked I don't think. It would basically just be Tony Banks solo spot. There's some very minimal guitar, bass, and drums... but yeah I'd guess it's that and the fact by the time Tony had a CP-70 they already had One For The Vine. 


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Posted By: Davesax1965
Date Posted: July 01 2017 at 08:33
Marillion - Grendel. Hardly ever played live. A few times in 83 and a few times after that. 

Saw them in 83 in Manchester. "We don't do Grendel live", said Mr Fish. 

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo from crowd. 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFzR7hKO64w

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Posted By: Prog-jester
Date Posted: July 01 2017 at 13:48
Originally posted by Davesax1965 Davesax1965 wrote:

Marillion - Grendel. Hardly ever played live

some http://www.setlist.fm/stats/songs/marillion-43d6b31b.html?song=Grendel" rel="nofollow - 60+ times, setlist.fm says , but yeah 1982-83 mostly.

I LOVE songs-that-were-never-played-live phenomenon, some favourite examples include:
Carouselambra, Tea For One and In the Light by Led Zeppelin

most of Load/Reload stuff by Metallica

The Writ by Black Sabbath - easily my fave BS song, even covered it with my band:





Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: July 01 2017 at 14:40
I'm a huge fan of Ronnie James Dio, and I believe this song (one of my favorites) was never performed in concert.  It's really fun to play on guitar or bass guitar! 






Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: July 01 2017 at 17:24
Genesis' Blood On the Rooftops, much to Hackett's chagrin.

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Posted By: proger
Date Posted: July 02 2017 at 16:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXRqqnCMcsg

if someone knows of any live do tell!


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Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: July 02 2017 at 17:25
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by mechanicalflattery mechanicalflattery wrote:

If I recall correctly, Pink Floyd never played Summer '68 live. I'd be curious to know about Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast or most of the Ummagumma studio material as well. 


Alan's and other special effects moments used by Pink Floyd, were all a part of the whole concert experience in their "quadraphonic" days, when they had little stories in special effects going 360 around your head, and eventually many of them led to the next song. There is a "real" Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast in the movie "PF Live in Pompeii" with its outtakes.

The full and complete implementation of all these effects came about in "The Wall" when they were no longer pieces in between the songs, but actually a strong part of the story. By comparison, DSOTM was not exactly together, but its order was quite enjoyable, and strong. But only side one has the effects come up to something, that even today, many think is a waste, but it became an important idea to the concept. However weird and difficult it might be to translate that.

Any more chips and beans?

ahhh..
 
just so you know.. whenever I finally take over this site there will be a lot of changes. One good one though.  I'm creating a special position for you man


PA's poet laureate...

I have to be honest....reading your posts make me f**king horny.. 



You need to get out more Micky

On the reverse angle there's a whole bunch of Crimson I only have live, Deception Of The Thrush, Seizure, a those improvs.

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Posted By: Bruhfluhquannie
Date Posted: July 02 2017 at 22:05
On the prog metal side of things, Crimson, by Edge of Sanity, and really anything by Dan Swano, since he very rarely plays live. 


Posted By: omphaloskepsis
Date Posted: July 03 2017 at 09:12
Originally posted by Bruhfluhquannie Bruhfluhquannie wrote:

On the prog metal side of things, Crimson, by Edge of Sanity, and really anything by Dan Swano, since he very rarely plays live. 

Just today I was wondering if Crimson had ever been played live.  Thanks for the answer.


Posted By: Jeffro
Date Posted: July 03 2017 at 09:51
Originally posted by AlanB AlanB wrote:

Wishbone Ash's first album has two long, proggy tracks on side 2. Phoenix has been played to death over the last nearly 50 years, but Handy (which I actually prefer) hasn't been played live by any version of the band since about 1971. I keep dropping hints to Martin Turner to try and get it played, but to no avail.

Handy is great! 


Posted By: BrufordFreak
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 18:15
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

I din't think Genesis ever played Mad Man Moon. Is that considered a masterpiece. I think it's pretty damn good.

I'm pretty sure they played Mad Man Moon on one of their US tours that I saw them on--76 (winter of, Trick of the Tail tour) 77 (winter of, Wind and Wuthering tour).


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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 20:23
Amarok

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