Two debut albums
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Topic: Two debut albums
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Subject: Two debut albums
Date Posted: July 11 2017 at 15:48
| Which debut album do you think is better? |
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Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: July 11 2017 at 17:52
| In the Court of the Crimson King is a better debut |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 11 2017 at 20:47
| Court for me, easily. |
Posted By: siLLy puPPy
Date Posted: July 11 2017 at 21:13
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: July 11 2017 at 21:43
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Court ------------- |
Posted By: Flight123
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 02:03
| It's a close call - but it's ELP's debut. More interesting and more consistent dynamism - and the one that I have listened to the most over the years. I know I will be in the minority with this one... |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 02:07
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Very tough choice. I'll go with KC I guess, but there's not much in it. ELP's debut is one of the best debut albums of all time IMO, and for me ELP's second best album. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 02:17
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ELP's debut is a bit better imo. ------------- 
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 02:58
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Forty years ago, I'd have said ITCOTCK. I thought it was great when it came out. I didn't really get ELP's classical style. Over time, ITCOTCK has completely lost its appeal, bar Epitaph and the title track. Conversely, ELP has grown on me, so they get my vote. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 05:26
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Crimson out of these two although I am enjoying the ELP debut more now since I first got it. Too boring to opt for the 'other' option but there are some debuts from around the same time that I vastly prefer: Amon Düül ll - Phallus Dei Magma - Kobaïa Can - Monster Movie Santana - s/t Colosseum - Valentyne Suite East of Eden - Mercator Projected Embryo - Opal ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 08:00
| KC for me but ELP's second, third and fourth albums were better than KC's. |
Posted By: Mormegil
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 08:27
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KC - didn't have to think about this one. ------------- Welcome to the middle of the film. |
Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 08:40
| The obvious winner is King Crimson, and my vote goes to ITCOTCK, but that does not mean ELP had a bad debut album. Indeed, it is a great album, a true jewel of the progressive rock era. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 09:23
It's really tough to vote against an album with The Barbarian, Knife Edge & Lucky Man but ITCOTCK is a historical icon  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Meltdowner
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 09:27
| Voted for my favourite ELP album. KC's debut currently shares the third place with LTIA. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 10:10
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KC ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 12:03
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I love both, but ELP's debut is one of the best things that's ever been. "Knife Edge," baby!!!! ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 14:23
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ITCOTCK. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 21:01
Epitaph alone is enough for me to vote against those ELP tracks. And Schizoid Man and Court of the Crimson King seal the deal. |
The.Crimson.King wrote:Posted By: Thatfabulousalien
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 21:28
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Zappa? Sabbath? ------------- Classical music isn't dead, it's more alive than it's ever been. It's just not on MTV. https://www.soundcloud.com/user-322914325 |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 21:29
| Five Leaves Left |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 21:56
| ELP's debut for me. Not that "court" isn't great but I think maybe it's a bit over rated. Most of "moondchild" is pretty boring, the title track is probably at least five minutes too long and "I talk to the wind" is nice but maybe sounds a bit out of place. ELP's debut has a few show offy kind of things on it but at least there are no silly songs like the ones they put on their albums after it. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 12 2017 at 21:58
So 26 votes for KC, 12 votes for ELP and one vote for Nick Drake. 
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Posted By: Olape
Date Posted: July 13 2017 at 11:34
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From the options I prefer TCOTCK, but voted other: Gentle Giant's debut. ------------- 
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Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: July 17 2017 at 08:45
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absolutely love both voted ELP ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: July 18 2017 at 13:42
ITCOTCK.....and I don't know why people keep asking these polls...it will always be the best debut.....ever. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 18 2017 at 14:26
I'd also take all of those over the choices. While not as stereotypically prog as I'm sure some lists would be, and people might argue my choices, but... From 1969/70 studio album debuts, I'd include (in no particular order): Igor Wakhevitch - Logos Tangerine Dream - Electronic Meditation Miroslav Vitous - Infinite Search Linda Perhacs - Parallelograms Supersister - Present From Nancy Nucleus - Elastic Rock Demon Fuzz - Afreaka White Noise - An Electric Storm Kraftwerk - Kraftwerk Gentle Giant - Gentle Giant Egg - Egg Vashti Bunyan - Just Another Diamond Day etc. (think those are all debuts) Voting "other" is boring, but I will since I don't really love either of the listed choices even though I like both, and would vote for Court between just those two. Course there's nothing wrong with the choices, those are big names, but I have somewhat quirkier tastes than most. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 18 2017 at 14:30
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Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 18 2017 at 16:49
| I'm surprised no one has mentioned Trespass for "other." |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 18 2017 at 16:52
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^ Possibly because From Genesis to Revelation is considered to be Genesis' debut album. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: AFlowerKingCrimson
Date Posted: July 18 2017 at 21:19
| ^Whoops. I knew that too but for some reason was more focused on the time period. Silly me. However, many people do consider Trespass to be Genesis first real starting point in the same way some consider TYA to be Yes's starting point. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 18 2017 at 22:08
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I've come across people who consider Trespass to be Genesis' true debut (the first one that is truly representative of Gabriel era Genesis). I almost listed VdGG's The Least We Can Do Is Wave to Each Other (my fave VdGG album) since the Aerosol Grey Machine can be seen as more of a Peter Hammill album as it was originally intended to be released under his name. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 19 2017 at 05:10
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I know people who believe Autobahn is the first Kraftwerk album. I know other people who think that Kraftwerk 1 is their debut. Then again I believe they made their debut back with Organisation - Tone Float. A rose is still a rose... Don't know why I said that but I am enjoying a cup of coffee in my boxers and a fine pair of yellow socks. I thought about the titles you mentioned too Greg - many of them are faves of mine as well as you probably know by now, but like you I too questilned their porkyness. Most old school prog fans I know tend to stick to a tried and tested format which rather defeats the purpose of the genre to begin with but I digress. But if we're talking progressive (big P) releases ca 1969 then: White Noise - An Electric Storm Holger Czukay - Canaxis Xhol Caravan - Electrip Clark Hutchinson- A = MH2 Cromagnon - Orgasm I did forget one of my favourite Danish psych/prog debuts in Burning Red Ivanhoe's M144. Stable inventory here in Denmark. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: uduwudu
Date Posted: July 19 2017 at 05:46
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There are people who think 90125 is Yes' debut. Apparently it's not. Couldn't find another like it before that. All this boring disappointing stuff like And You And I, Gates Of Delirium, Starship Trooper, Heart Of The Sunrise, Awaken, Close To The Edge etc. Dunno why I keep buying it all again... Anyway.. a new line up is a debut. It just might not be under the normal sales brand. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 19 2017 at 09:16
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And back with Genesis, I have come across someone who assumed that the 1983 self-titled Genesis album was the band's first. Not surprising. Doing that does seem to announce that a band is re-inventing itself, wants to be seen as starting from scratch, as self-titled does imply debut album to me. ^^ I forgot about Organisation - Tone Float. I like that album a lot. I think of it as pre-Kraftwerk. In such cases I tend to think along the lines of Organisation/ Kraftwerk, almost as an entity that combines the projects but separate too. I've been trying to rite something more detailed on that, but my brain is not firing due to lack of sleep (so I deleted most of what I was writing in this post). And David, of course I know you like various of those albums very much. When I think of Afreaka!, for instance, I always think of you. Off on a tangent, but what a boring site this would be to me if the archives stuck with what is conservatively deemed Prog. Most of the music I like in the 'chives I don't label as Prog-proper. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 19 2017 at 12:28
 Thanks man I'm proud of that. I love Afreaka! and play it on a weekly basis - especially during the warmer months. Lately I've been on a bit of a funk and jazz kick incessantly listening to Funkadelic, Parliament, Tim Maia (Brazilian funk from the 70s no less. Highly recommended to people with legs) as well as Coltrane, Don Cherry (fun fact: his son does the weather on our national tv channel DR1) and Yusef Lateef - the latter's Eastern Sounds and Blue albums are two I simply cannot stop listening to. Helps me relax my slipped disks at night (weed also helps). I know this probably isn't the thread for this but PA is such a slow and uninteresting place these days that I gather no one will make a fuss about a Dane asking for jazz recs in unorthodox places. Anyway Greg, do you know of similar sounding records? I'm thinking chillax jazz but in slippers and pirate clothes. Soothing sounds but also ones that challenge the ear. Eastern and psychedelic influences are most welcome. I know I am not making much sense, but if anyone is able to decipher me it's probably you. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 19 2017 at 14:35
I can decipher you, but I just can't think of great recommendations. I love John Coltrane, Don Cherry, and Yusef Lateef's Eatsern SOunds is a msterpiece. I love cosmic jazz, and jazz funk, jazz with an eastern vibe/ exotics, and cool jazz, but I can't think of anything that quite fits the bill. You might know all of these already, but I feel like mentioning albums like Herbie Mann's Stone Flute, Alice Coltrane's Universal Consciousness and Journey in Satchidananda (love those), various Pharoah Sanders, Janko Nilovic, Don Harper, The Roger Webb Sound and a host of stuff, but I can't think of anything that quite fits the bill. Basically I'm just listing some of my favourite jazzy artists there. While I wouldn't say that this is what you're looking for, it's quite energetic, I think you'll like it, so I'm mentioning it anyway: Oriental Wind and Okay Temiz' ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 08:13
Ahh thanks Greg you're a peach  I am really digging Okay Temiz as we speak. Definitely a future purchase.I know and love most of the other ones you've mentioned, but I guess that isn't too strange seeing as our tastes often cross paths. Don Harper and The Roger Webb Sound though are both uninown territories for me, so I have some investigation ahead of me. Thanks again. As a quick thank you I thought it appropriate to recommend you something back in the same vein...although this one came out last year and was recommended to me by Simon (Mascodagama) who seems to be on the same musical wavelength as we are. The Comet Is Coming - Channel The Spirits: https://thecometiscoming.bandcamp.com/album/channel-the-spirits ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 08:28
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Posted By: ALotOfBottle
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 08:42
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Hey David and Greg, as bold of a statement as that would be to make, I also daresay I might be on similar wavelengths as you regarding this fantastic exotic/funky/cosmic jazz conversation you are having on two threads now. One of my recent discoveries is a lone album from Milt Ward & Virgo Spectrum. Really pleasant funky cosmic exotic jazz. Also, a bit more on the avant-garde side of things, one of my favorite jazz albums of all time is George Russell's Electronic Sonata for Souls Loved by Nature, which utilizes tapes of North Ugandian folk music and recordings from Electronic Music Studios (EMS) of the Swedish Radio in Stockholm, which I found extremely fascinating. Highly recommended. Don't know if I hit the nail on the head as to what is discussed here, but I thought it wouldn't be inappropriate if I threw my two cents in. |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 12:35
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By all means Tymon join our club!! Hell it may even end up in yet another person checking out Igor Wakhevitch. Greg is chairman of the Igor Lunch Club so it is very recommended to brownnose him in unorthodox manners. The above jootoob clips may just be what the doctor's prescribed. Thanks for the recs btw - much appreciated. It will have to wait until I get back behind my laptop but I'm looking forward to it - especially after having read your descriptions. As a thank you I recommend you click the link I provided Greg. I think you'd dig The Comet Is Coming big time. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 12:42
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Heh...maybe it's about time this thread got back on track. Hmmm...err...yeah. Let me be the first one here to admit to not liking Epitaph. I know I know BLASPHEMY!!! So many friends of mine absolutely adore this one, but I find it way too emotional in a way that borders on charicature. I blame the vocals entirely. It's like margarine with butter on top. ------------- “The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.” - Douglas Adams |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 13:48
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 16:39
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I don't know if necessarily better but itchycock is my favorite. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 16:39
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David: Love what I've heard so far of Channel the Spirits. "Prophesy' is right up my alley. Will listen to the whole thing at a later time. Timon: Love the Milt Ward & Virgo Spectrum and the George Russell too. Thanks for the recommendations. When I get the chance I'll really sit down to listen to all three in full, but heard enough already to know that I really like all three. Erm, to finish this post in more of in an on-topic way. I don't mind Greg Lake's singing on Epitaph, even if it is overwrought. I prefer him on In the Wake of Poseidon. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: July 20 2017 at 18:30
| Crimson bien sur |
Posted By: ALotOfBottle
Date Posted: July 21 2017 at 02:13
Ahhh, I need to listen to more of Igor. I did a tour of all of his albums about a year ago and came back to Docteur Faust and Logos a few times afterwards. Great music, really need to revisit. And I really like what I'm hearing from The Comet is Coming so far. I am listening to the album as we speak, great stuff. Unlike anything I've heard really. Thanks a lot! And also to get on the topic, I know what you mean regarding Epitath, David. I got that the first time, too, as I did with a lot of classic prog when I was discovering the music for the first time a few years ago, it's not a problem for me now, though. I voted for ELP's debut, although it was a difficult decision. Both albums are great, but ELP's first might just be my favorite from the band and King Crimson had much better albums for me personally, hence my choice. |
Posted By: Frenetic Zetetic
Date Posted: March 27 2018 at 17:35
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KC. ------------- "I am so prog, I listen to concept albums on shuffle." -KMac2021 |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 00:35
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ItCotCK I guess. |
Posted By: ProgMetaller2112
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 00:41
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ELP ------------- “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
Posted By: Mortte
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 04:26
| Crimson. |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: March 28 2018 at 07:09
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ITCOTCK is more influential, but ELP is the better album ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |