Three bands that um..
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Topic: Three bands that um..
Posted By: YESESIS
Subject: Three bands that um..
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 20:18
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These are just three bands that I've seen mentioned at different times on here and have tried somewhat with each band to get into them. I've listened to a little bit of one album from each and now trying to decide which one I should focus on. |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 20:45
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Amon Duul II man.... Marillion? pfff... Eloy is good, definitely lightyear ahead of that pansy Neo sh*t. However ADII are more than merely a good band. Legends with debatable one of the greatest album trilogies of all prog rock. Not sure which one you started with.. but if you haven't heard Yeti.. do yourself a favor.. preferrably under the influence to get the full effect. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:04
Hmm, now I'm starting to feel some peer pressure not to like Marillion lol. But seriously thanks for your input on this matter and yeah Yeti was the album by them that I was listening to and I was liking it. From Eloy I was listening to some Power and Passion, and also Ocean(which I was getting into). And from Marillion I was listening to Misplaced Childhood and then their Debut album, and really liking both.. So then it occurred to me that I probably should pick one and just focus on them for a while, so I was like "ok, poll time!" |
micky wrote:Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:10
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nevermind me.... I have a real problem with Neo. The music sucks.. but so does a lot of stuff here.. I just bear a gruge against Neo prog in general for being fired by the Neo Team. In record time... shortest Genre Team stint in the history of the site. Less than 24 hours... though it might have had something to do with me mentioning I wanted to move all the Neo bands to prog related haha. Yeti rules... but be sure to check out the bookend albums Phallus Dei and Tanz der Lemminge. Their first 3 are fundemental and essential.. and though different.. more mature if you will... the albums they did after those in the early to mid 70's are still quite good. Perhaps lacking a bit of chaos, experimentality and shear WTFery... they are very good 'traditional' progressive rock albums. Check out Wolf City for the best of that group of albums. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:21
It's cool. And judging from your avi you probably can appreciate this.. For me in a lot of ways if it's not classic Genesis, classic Yes, or ELP, then it's not PROG(in the purest sense). I know KC fans will howl and a lot of other people, but that is kind of how I feel about it. But I like a lot of music that isn't prog, so if Marillion is considered some kind of 'prog related' so be it, won't make me like them any less. But again thanks and I will take all of your input here into consideration as well. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:32
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Marillion - the first 4 studio ones + Recital of the Script, Real to Reel and The Thieving Magpie (live). Essential, man. ------------- |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:36
Cool, thanks for the suggestions man. These are all things to think about here.. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:38
for this... they should have been exiled to Prog Related...  and if I had simply kept my mouth shut (hard to do admittedly) I would have succeeded in my grand plan. Why else would the whiskey drinking, ass kicking, pussy chasing Big Mick have actually joined those wimps and pussies on the Neo team. It was part of my grand plan for the site. And one of my few defeats.... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:39
| From this ones the only one I know is Marillion, and I have really liked them. Specially the debut and Misplaced Childhood. I haven't heard the other two Fish era albums, but I do have a few live albums and so have heard lots of the songs, so for me those two albums are the best ones, but there's some good songs from the other two as well. From the Hogarth era I have heard less, and in general it seems to me that they didn't achieve the same level of greatness... they just seem to lack energy and passion. However, there are a few songs that I have come to like from it (though I still have to get Brave and Marbles), and did like a lot "Sounds that can't be made". By the way, talking about Marillion, you might want to check out Transatlantic too (the bass player from Marillion is a member of that band)... well, particularly I love "The Whirlwind" from them... the whole album is just amazing. Another side project from Trewavas is the more recent Edison's Children; "The Final Breath Before November" is also a wonderful album. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:48
Thanks for posting that I like it. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:50
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*face palm* you're welcome  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:54
Thanks for your input here and the suggestions(as always). And yeah, what I've heard from them so far(the debut and Misplaced Childhood) I really have liked. Interesting to see how they do in this poll here because I've liked what I've heard from the other two bands as well. But need to pick one and focus on them.. so we'll see what happens here. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:54
Think old Mick is really not feeling well right now ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 21:55
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bah..... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 22:03
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Let's try again: TRANSATLANTIC! ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 22:05
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 22:22
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*puts hand on Michael's shoulder*: It's only music, man.  ------------- |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 15 2017 at 22:33
 love ya man... yeah.. sometimes I just need to be reminded of that. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 04:42
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They are three very different bands. Amon Duul II is more challenging than the other two and require a bit of concentration. Probably it's the most interesting of the lot. Yeti and Phallus Dei are the albums to start with, IMO Eloy had at least three different periods during which they have been mimic of three different bands. I'd call them the Uriah Heep period (first two albums), the Pink Floyd period, and the Yes/Jethro Tull period. Regardless this apparent lack of originality, the strong German accent of Frank Bornemann has become a trademark. Ocean is my choice, but you canget any album between Floating and Planets Marillion is two different things: with Fish and with Hogarth. For the first, I don't like much Script for a Jester's Tear, but from Fugazi to The Thieving Magpie I still listen to them. The first two albums with Hogarth are quite good, but staring from Afraid of Sunlight I have totally lost my interest in that band. Regardless what many people thinks, they are more than just a Genesis clone. From Fugazi to Season's End. My favorite track is the live version of Forgotten Sons from Real to Reel ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 04:47
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I'm voting for Amon Düül II because it got its hook in me. Whereas Eloy is more like an uninvited guest to me. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 05:38
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What micky really wanted to recommend was Dream Theater but the worm in the bottom of his whiskey bottle advised him otherwise. That Yeti album may be the least favorite album in my collection. An awful racket that album is...although one day I was listening to it and thought "wow this is quite good". I've only achieved that the one time however. You will find that pretty much everyone in the world who listens to RIO/Avant type music posts on this site, and to a man or woman they all hate Neo prog type bands. To me, it is the Neo prog bands that carry the torch for the sound of the music that I like. i.e. guitar, bass, keyboard and drums with the occasional flute or saxophone and songs that tell stories. The RIO/Avant types have tired of this formula and prefer the more out there musics that omit the guitars and keyboards and instead feature bassoons and marimbas. This music is in theory more "progressive" than the more "retro" Neo prog but also to my ears doesn't really sound like the type of music that I fell in love with from the primary prog bands. And to that end, the current music in these areas is still retro, but just to a different group of outlier bands instead of the primary prog bands. Ultimately, there is room for all of us on here...but at times the sides can be as far a part as the alt-left and the alt-right. ------------- 
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Posted By: Manuel
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 06:01
This.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 06:21
Excellent post. Scott, and it's because of thoughtful posts like this that I stick around here. There is a level of polarity here between the more experimental minded and the more melodic-minded (I like melodic folk more than melodic rock). Good analogy on alt left and right. I have found Neo-Proggers, and Symph fans, tend to be more conservative, or right wing, in their politics as well as their music tastes than the Avant-oriented, and we all are alt. here to some extent. Or am I biasing my opinion too much because I assume that those with "progressive",more experimental tastes are more likely to be more progressive politically,and vice versa? Mind you, we have our more progressive left and regressive lefties when it comes to music and politics, and as for the right.... Politically, I don't want to be labeled left or right, more centrist if anything, even though my philosophy tends to put me on the left, and I also would like to move away from this dichotomy when it comes to music appreciation. There is room for a wide variety of people here, but most of us, despite which side we tend to align ourselves with, still have common ground musically and ideologically so the apparent dichotomy is not as polarized as it may sometimes appear. I'm exhausted and unsure if my post makes much sense. EDIT to add] instead of making a new post: was thinking about how you you use the term alt-left which until Trump used it recently, I don't recall seeing. The regressive left vs. progressive left has been the popular one (Maajid Nawaz popularised it, but I know I used it before then, along with regressive rock, or Gorp as I like to call it) and alt-left might be thought of as a Trumpism. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 06:28
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I'm in ZART but I don't dislike the first Marillion. I like Bob Dylan, too. ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 07:26
You're in ZART and in Neo, like Keishiro. No reason why one can't like both. And as for Micky, I haven't had the impression over the years that he is big on RIO or Neo-Prog (which isn't to say that there aren't bands/ albums he likes in RIO/Avant as clearly there are, but probably not nearly as many there are for me). ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: miamiscot
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 07:44
| I enjoy all three but voted for Marillion because Marbles is pretty close to perfect. |
Posted By: digdug
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 09:44
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I like all 3 bands Eloy is the one I listen to most often, but they are all worth exploring. ------------- Prog On! |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 09:50
I too like the RIO and the NEO. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 09:50
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I suppose Amon Duul II for me, if only for the strength of the first three records. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: verslibre
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 10:24
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ELOY L O O L YOLE ------------- https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_ipg=50&_sop=1&_rdc=1&_ssn=musicosm" rel="nofollow - eBay |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 10:33
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 10:36
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All three bands have evolved over time, so one era does not sound quite the same as another. For sheer definitive Krautrock abandon, nothing beats Amon Duul II, especially their first three albums. I am a little iffy on them after that, but Wolf City is also excellent. I much prefer the earlier Fish era Marillion to the Hogarth era even though the latter has lasted far longer. Fish brought an edge to their sound that makes it for me. Eloy, from the few albums I have of theirs, evolved from a Psychadelic/Space Rock band to something more symphonic. Both Ocean and Ocean Two are excellent but also very different. Twenty years will do that. I recommend listening to the downloads on this site to get a taste for what these bands have to offer. The Eloy list is especially large. This is one of the best features on PA to listen to what a band is all about. I voted for Amon Dull II to even up the score as much as anything. All three of these bands are worth exploring. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Lewian
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 12:45
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Amon Düül II is surely the most interesting band on the list. Sure they were great in the beginning (Yeti and Tanz der Lemminge are on top), later they were hit and miss but they always tried to do something new, they hardly ever stood still, neither copied themselves nor any other band. Quite a number of things they did are of very questionable quality though, ultimately it's a matter of taste whether they do it for you or not. If you love the band like me you'll find even the low points (and there are enough of them) charming. The other two bands are much more consistent, despite also having gone through some development. You've got to like Bornemann's singing for appreciating Eloy, which is a hard test. Look out for their bass player Matziol though, great guy! They are often accused of copying Pink Floyd and Yes but I think they have quite a few elements that are truly their own, particularly rhythm- and soundwise. Sometimes I'd have liked to see more substance in their compositions, though. Marillion I leave to others, they're reasonably nice to my ears but never really fascinated me. |
Posted By: Wanorak
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 15:03
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Marillion by a wide margin. The other 2 are minor bands imo. Marillion have influenced a generation of prog artists. ------------- A GREAT YEAR FOR PROG!!! |
Posted By: Nogbad_The_Bad
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 15:56
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Amon Duul II for me as neither of the other bands really does that much for me. Micky has only recently converted to RIO/Avant so he's become a bit of an evangelist. ------------- Ian Host of the Post-Avant Jazzcore Happy Hour on Progrock.com https://podcasts.progrock.com/post-avant-jazzcore-happy-hour/ |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 17:31
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amen brother.. excuse me.. Uncle yeah with Uncle Ian on one side and Auntie Raff on the other.. I really had no f**king chance to escape conversion. I caught myself almost reaching for Disco Volante the other day... what happened to me. I blame you two... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 17:36
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It's got to be Eloy! ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 19:36
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Well I see that all three of these have their fans on here, but appears to be a two horse race atm between Eloy and ADII. I'm almost tempted to go with Marillion though just due to all the pressure not to lol. Anyway thank you all for your responses, especially the ones who really gave honest objective opinions. It all helps me to make this decision here to just focus on one of them and leave the other two to eventually get back to 'some day.' |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 20:18
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 21:29
Since you already have two albums from the Fish era Marillion, I guess you can be done with that era very fast... either get a live album (I have "The Thieving Magpie" and "Live from Loreley") to get an overview of the whole Fish era... or just get the other two live albums. Then you might focus on whichever of the other bands you want to check out, and come back to Marillion later. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 22:22
Thanks again for the suggestions man, but I don't want to be done with that era 'very fast' lol.. I'm loving it too much! Listening to Marillion right now in fact. I probably shouldn't be favoring them over the other two bands like this but I can't help it, they're just so good. |
Posted By: Upbeat Tango Monday
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 22:46
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One more vote for Eloy ------------- Two random guys agreed to shake hands. Just Because. They felt like it, you know. It was an agreement of sorts...a random agreement. |
Posted By: The.Crimson.King
Date Posted: August 16 2017 at 23:35
The Fish version of Marillion for me by a mile. The Hogarth version would mean a vote for Eloy  ------------- https://wytchcrypt.wixsite.com/mutiny-in-jonestown" rel="nofollow - Mutiny in Jonestown : Progressive Rock Since 1987 |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 02:54
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Marillion in both incarnations. But don't ignore Eloy. Ignore Amon Duul II by all means. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 06:31
WoOoh ! "Surrounded by the Stars " how about having Ozzy sing from around 4'45-5'10 ------------- http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing ! https://bandcamp.com/machinechance/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - bandcamp collection |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 14:11
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I for the longest time thought Geddy Lee had an uncredited vocal stint on that album. Like Geddy.. Renate sounds best singing when she goes a bit overboard. I think Geddy snagged his early Rush shrieking elf vocal style directly from Renate minus the completely hot heavily German accented English... which sounds amazing ... for women at least ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: jayem
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 15:16
Now the ultimate dream:  Ozzy with a german accent ------------- http://www.digger.ch/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - Support mine-clearing ! https://bandcamp.com/machinechance/?lang=en" rel="nofollow - bandcamp collection |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 21:15
Good. For me Script is an amazying album. Easily the best by them. And the title track is just sublime. Still, I guess you can get the other two studio albums without much problem. If after that you still want to check out Hogarth era, you must take into consideration that it will be a rather different beast (though I still don't know so many albums from that era). The emotional aspect that Fish brought to the concepts and the singing is gone, and the music became more subdued, so that might take away a good part of what you are loving from them. Still, the guitars and keyboards melodies can be very good, and have their own emotion. I guess the vocals turned from angst to sadness, to try to put it some way. From the songs that I have heard from the Hogarth era, the one that really stands up for me is "Neverland"... some other good ones too, but that one's soemthing else. I might yet have some other great ones to find, though. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 21:26
Yeah, I've been listening to that album and it's awesome. Hmm, I don't like a bunch of sad songs(what the heck lol), so might have to skip that second stage with the new singer then. I probably just soak up the Fish stuff and then move on to Eloy. Thanks again for all your great input man. |
Posted By: HackettFan
Date Posted: August 17 2017 at 22:22
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Argh!! I'll probably vote for ADII, but Eloy sure gets me grooving. ------------- A curse upon the heads of those who seek their fortunes in a lie. The truth is always waiting when there's nothing left to try. - Colin Henson, Jade Warrior (Now) |
Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 01:29
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Eloy (1976-1982 ie Dawn up to Time To Turn) |
Posted By: Blaqua
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 06:02
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Marillion, for their great Fish years (don’t mean that their post-Fish era is without remarkable music). |
Posted By: Rayner
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 08:55
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Eloy, I love Marillion to death but Eloy just brings my soul some sort of inner peace whenever i listen to them. Eloy is freaking awesome!!!! ------------- Rayner |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 18 2017 at 20:36
OK then, here I'm going off topic, but if you really really don't dig sad music, stay away of Porcupine Tree and Steven Wilson. As much as I love what this guy has done, his trademark is making sad music. On the other hand, perhaps some Rush would be you thing. Oh yeah, and never ever listen to Bowies last album... that must be one of the most depressing albums one can ever hear... it's his last statement before passing away, recorded while already diagnosed with cancer and knowing it was the last thing he was doing... and it really shows the mood in the music. The guy really created a piece of art out of his situation, but it's as depressing as it can get. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 19 2017 at 12:59
Thank again for the suggestions man. Yeah you're right actually, I tried a while back to get into Porcupine Tree and no dice. Rush I used to be a fairly big fan of back when I played drums. Just the other day I heard 'Spirit of Radio' on the radio and was like, "man, I forgot how good this is!" So maybe I should start listening to them again. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: August 21 2017 at 08:30
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I read the excellent biography Amon Düül 2 written by Ingeboirg Schober, a music journalist and friend of them. there are so many crazy incidents in the band's biography; I would love to have a movie made out of their biography. Amon Düül 2 just rock, and the trilogy "Phallus Dei", "Yeti" and "Tanz der Lemminge" is superb. I also like "Wolf City" very much. their latter albums are kind of a mixed bag; they are more conventional, but there is always at least one stand-out track, for examplee "Kismet" on "Only Human". their latest album "Düülirium" is as excellent as their earliest albums; I highly recommend it. of Eloy I especially like their early albums "Floating" and "Inside". the really extreme German accent of Frank Bornemann is abhorrent to me though; Eloy are best when there is no singing. yes, the singers of Amon Düül 2 have German accents too, but much less pronounced than Bornemann's really horrible one. the only Marillion album I like is "Fugazi"; their other albums leave me absolutely cold, and some are outright horrible. conclusion: my vote goes to the Düüls -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 21 2017 at 09:51
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As per usual, this type of poll brings out the factions on PA, and that is no bad thing. We all love our music under the common prog banner. I have dabbled in some Eloy, and liked what I heard, but not enough to go bonkers. Duul leaves me utterly cold, and it will come as absolutely no surprise at all to realise that I not only recommend Marillion, but specifically Hograth era Marillion. There was an interesting thread started about Twelfth Night recently. I tried to respond to an interesting post by Greg (Logan), but was denied by the Access Denied error message repeatedly, and gave up. I will try again here. For me, prog was always about lifting guitars, swirling keyboards, melody, passion, love, and, above all, tunes I could relate to. I got into classic symphonic prog, some of the heavier stuff, and a metal phase when younger. I abhorred the more, ahem, "challenging" Canterbury, Zeuhl, and etc. Not that it is not clever, it just leaves me utterly cold. No melody, man. When the 80's revival began (I rather dislike the term neo prog), it was like a blast of love washing over my ears. Bands who had their influences on their sleeves, but who, by and large, took a more post punk attitude to said influences. Marillion were the capo di capi, but IQ, Pallas, Pendragon, Twelfth Night, and others played a big part. The first four continue to make excellent and relevant music. And here is the point about them. They have all progressed. They have all moved forward. Indeed, if you want to hear a bunch of artists who have taken a template, and shifted said template into completely new areas, then look no further than the classic neo bands. Marillion released their 17th studio album this year. f**k Everyone and Run is an album made in 2017 and absolutely relevant to 2017. They still sell out decent sized venues, and have a rapport with their fan base which is the envy of many artists. IQ have had an amazing run of albums, culminating in their finest, Road of Bones. Pendragon continue to shift forward, with varied rock influences. So, some recommendations if you want to hear said progression. You already have some early Fish era Marillion. For Hogarth era, go for Afraid of Sunlight, Brave, Marbles, and FEAR. These are classics, and you cannot go wrong. IQ, go for Seventh House, Dark Matter, and Road of Bones. Pendragon, go for Masquerade Overture, This World, Passion, and Men Who Climb Mountains. In each of these, you will hear beauty, melody, rock, stunning stories, and progressive rock at its finest. Micky can call it what he likes. I call it prog rock which tickles the Lazland earbuds, and a sequence of albums which progress. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: August 21 2017 at 14:06
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Went with Eloy.......though I like Amon Duul 2 quite a bit but there are more Eloy albums that I like overall. Never really warmed up to Marillion. They have never captured my attention...not sure why. ------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 21 2017 at 20:22
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Wow quite the range of opinions here, and this poll is really close! The first one I made was a total blowout so I guess this one makes up for it.. right on. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: August 21 2017 at 21:23
My first Hogarth era album was "Sounds that can't be made", after getting to know the Fish era well enough. And actually, I liked that album very much, as well as a live album from the same tour... so I expected more from FEAR... yet it left me a bit cold. I just didn't find it as beautiful as the one before. I also got a few live album from H era, and in general I don't feel they are at the same level as the Fish era (nor Sounds that can't be made). I guess I will still get Brave and Marbles (I did love Neverland)... perhaps in live albums in which they are both played completley, so that I get a few more songs from the era apart from those two albums (Marbles in the Park was available on the local music store, but when I at last made up my mind to get that one they didn't have it anymore... I hope they'll re-stock it again at least one more time (otherwise I guess I'll need to choose if I'll try to order Marbles by the Park or Marbles by the Sea). For Brave I was thinking about ordering Made Again. |
Posted By: cstack3
Date Posted: August 21 2017 at 22:17
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My personal favorite of these is Amon Duul II, their LP "Wolf City" rates with other classics of the era. RIP bassist Lothar Meid, one of my favorites! ------------- I am not a Robot, I'm a FREE MAN!! |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 21 2017 at 23:35
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I really appreciate all the input so far from everyone. And based partly on the fact that they're currently winning in this poll I just listened to Yeti again and imo it is VERY good. Not to diss the other bands though, Ocean is certainly a quite pleasurable listening experience and obviously Script.. by Marillion is really good as well(as Dellinger mentioned). And Lazland, I will have to check out some of that Other Guy's stuff with Marillion now(Hogarth).. Afraid of Sunlight, Brave, Marbles, and FEAR. Thanks again everyone. |
Posted By: hellogoodbye
Date Posted: August 22 2017 at 02:49
| The great Amon Duul. |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 22 2017 at 12:07
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 22 2017 at 12:15
Great, great live album Del, can't go wrong with Made Again. This one's highly recommended too, probably my favorite live Hogarth:  Full Seasons End (disc 1) and terrific live versions of some of HITR best songs (disc 2). http://www.marillion.com/shop/search.php?phystype=CD" rel="nofollow - Here ------------- |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: August 22 2017 at 13:47
Any one of the Weekend CDs are far superior to Made Again, I think. ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org |
Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 23 2017 at 08:21
Let's just say that for the casual (read: normal) fan, Made Again is probably the best pick. ------------- |
Posted By: Saperlipopette!
Date Posted: August 23 2017 at 08:31
Hey - its cool they give bands and albums second chances (i noticed in the Breathless/Attahk-poll too). Plenty of bands I've come to love weren't instant love for sure - and some that were, aren't all that important to me now. ------------- 
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 23 2017 at 17:02
Yeah Magma for sure. The first time I heard MDK I thought it was terrible and couldn't understand why so many people on here liked it(thought a lot of them must just be saying that to fit in lol). But then someone on the thread you mentioned really turned me on to them with some live clips that I liked, and now I think that album is GREAT. In fact I use it often for my meditation. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 23 2017 at 17:53
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I should be meditating more. I practice mindfulness, but am not mindful enough to do it regularly. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 23 2017 at 18:40
If you haven't read 'Being Peace' by Thich Nhat Hanh, I very highly recommend it. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 24 2017 at 08:49
I was lent the book by a psychologist/ Buddhist friend of mine years ago, but failed to read it then. I will look to get it. What I love about so much about Buddhist philosophy and practices is that it is so psychological-oriented, and although I wouldn't consider myself as religious, spending time at temples has been a "spiritual" experience for me. Meditation, particularly mindfulness, is something that has helped a lot in managing my dysfunctionality -- has helped me and in my interactions with others (being at peace with oneself and others). I know that I should put more time into it for my well-being and others. One of these days I would like to go to a meditation retreat. ------------- Just a fanboy passin' through. |
Posted By: SteveG
Date Posted: August 24 2017 at 09:38
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Marillion with either Fish or Chips. Both are swell. ------------- This message was brought to you by a proud supporter of the Deep State. |
Posted By: Rednight
Date Posted: August 24 2017 at 13:30
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^Once again, I don't get it (but I don't get much). ------------- "It just has none of the qualities of your work that I find interesting. Abandon [?] it." - Eno |
Posted By: maryes
Date Posted: August 24 2017 at 17:48
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To me; 1 st : Eloy and his albums "Inside", "Oceans" and "Silent Cries and Might Echoes" 2 nd : Marillion and "Script for a Jester's Tears", "Misplaced Childhood" and "Clutching At Straws" 3 rd :Amon Dull II and "Yeti" and "Tanz Der Lemminge" |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 24 2017 at 20:38
Oh yeah, you're clearly someone who 'gets it.' I'm a Christian first myself. But the teachings Buddhism, along with my daily meditation practice have helped me immensely to be relaxed and at peace and to be able to smile and share my peace with others. Temples can contain a lot of spiritual energy that can be an experience for sure. And always remember, "Present moment wonderful moment." :) |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 24 2017 at 20:47
I guess he's calling the other guy 'Chips' so it will be like "Fish and Chips" or something like that. I'm not really sure though, I think he's just too clever for either of us really. And it's interesting to me that they are currently in last place in the poll(though not by much).. yet they have been talked about way more than either of the other two bands so far in this thread.. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: August 25 2017 at 04:03
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Marillion just over Eloy. ------------- 
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Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 26 2017 at 20:01
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Ah I see Marillion has now pulled into a tie with Eloy here. I listened to Yeti again today and.. no. I think that Amon Düül II is maybe not a good fit for me after all. But I am really loving Eloy and Marillion so far, they are both surprisingly good actually. So thanks again everyone for your responses and keeping this thread alive. |
Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 07:34
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Marillion out of these |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 21:25
| Marillion has pulled into second place.. they were way behind! Thanks everyone. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 21:51
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well it seems lost another one to the crack cocaine that is f**king sissy and extremely UNprogressive Neo... lovely... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 21:57
| For some reason I'm starting to once again feel peer pressure to stop listening to Marillion. :( |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:03
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Eloy easily..go for "Dawn" first, unless you are a Floyd die hard, in which case go straight to "Silent Cries and Mighty Echoes". But Inside, Ocean, Colors, Planets, and Time to Turn are all GREAT Re Marillion, I saw them at Cropredy a couple of weeks ago. I didn't want to like them, but it was impossible not to, because Hogarth looks like a guy who has spent too many nights on a park bench, and he's funny too. Rothery is one fine guitarist. And the songs may drag on too long but it's pretty easy to find something to like in all of those epics. A great quote that made it up on the screen was "Big queues at the concessions. I waited for half a Marillion song"
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:06
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*spits wine on monitor* I can be VERY persuasive.... Seriously... listen to Wolf City if Yeti didn't curl your toes.. completely different kind of album and yet still.. smokes anything Eloy or f**king Marilion ever did. Again.. nice groups... decent output. ADII are f**king legends... you need to explore them fully. They weren't a one album pony or a singlar stylistic trick... that was one badass and wildly talented and creative group. Check 'em out fully before circumcising to the dark side of f**king Neo hahah ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:14
Right on! I find that to be true with them as well. :) As far as Eloy I've listened to Ocean and Planets and I love them. Right now I like Marillion slightly better, but it's a very tough call. Thanks a lot for your input and suggestions. I'll have to check out those other Eloy albums, I bet they're awesome. |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:18
I don't like that other band that much but thanks for the suggestion anyway. And wait.. Neo is a part of Prog isn't it?
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Posted By: Magnum Vaeltaja
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:22
[citation needed] ------------- when i was a kid a doller was worth ten dollers - now a doller couldnt even buy you fifty cents |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:26
Hilarious
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:26
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if only I had kept my f**king mouth shut... Neo and every ONE of those groups would have ended up in Prog-related hahha. My greatest failure as a Collaborator... getting fired from teh Neo team was cool.... getting a pink slip after only 24 hours was legendary.. but I didn't join to try to get those pussies on the team to have fun, discover booze, broads, and blow.. I did have ulterial motives. I just couldn't keep my damn mouth shut hahah. Prog? yeah sure. But a great deal of prog sucks.. just because it is prog doesn't mean it is good. In fact.. prog more than any form of music.. has more percentage of sh*t vs. gold. The redeeming quality of prog is when it hits the G spot... sh*t man... you come 3 times intead of once. It is the search for those bands that makes prog so interesting.. but 'prog'. As much comopletely routine, boring, overdone and uncreative stuff as truly progressive, inspiring and inspirtaional. Check out the 1000+ prog v. progressive threads over the years. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 30 2017 at 22:42
But.. I love Prog. So if Marillion is Prog then that's good enough for me. And I didn't know there was a difference between progressive and Prog?? But the name of this site is Prog Archives, not progressive archives. So I'll go with that. Thanks for your input though.. Always interesting lol.
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 05:44
Don't do that. Listen to whatever you want. If you ask me, Marillion's last neo prog album was Seasons End.  |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 06:59
Agreed ------------- Curiosity killed a cat, Schroedinger only half. My poor home recorded stuff at https://yellingxoanon.bandcamp.com |
Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 07:15
Wolf City is on my list. Yeti did nothing for me, other than the last song. I did kinda like Vive la Trance
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Posted By: Barbu
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 09:59
You should take this with a pinch of salt man, there's a lot of bad faith concerning the neo bashing around here... @micky: Give a good listen to Marillion 'Real to Reel' and tell me, without laughing, that it suck. ------------- |
Posted By: Daysbetween
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 15:03
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I voted ADII then well behind are Eloy who are a nice pleasant but sometimes bland listen. Marillion were OK with Fish but the second version do nothing for my ears. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 19:07
I might have to check that out.... I gave them 10 odd years of albums to try to me wet and hard.. both Fish and Hogwarts....alas they left me limp and dry as the desert... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: YESESIS
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 19:14
| Thanks for all the responses so far everyone. Seems to still be a pretty good split here. So Neo is anything released after the '70s? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 19:17
they don't call me Mr. Excitement for anything. Put it this way.. I'd rather be spectacularly wrong.. than be boring. Thankfully I'm never boring.. and rarely wrong haha prog = or =/ progressive is one of the foundations of discussion points around here and has been since the site was established. Thus the multitudes and mutlitudes of threads and discussions on it. Yeah .. the site says it is PROG archives.. I suppose you know your music well enough to know that more than half the bands added here are not prog... never been considered prog. Yet we added them.. for some of us what the score really was. It wasn't until this post... the single musically related post I've ever read and I've been doing music forums since 2001. It strikes to the heart of the two very different things at play here. Prog the genre... which connects the dots and touches upon the stylistic norms and progressive rock which throws all that sh*t in your face.. and in reality is just a coming of full circle back the beginning days of prog when you just had some muso's throw sh*t in the pot and see what comes out.. they don't consider themselves prog.. that isn't the goal. To appeal to backwards looking conservative artists.. but intelligent forward thinking (and yes.. often young listners) Hense Nearfest 2011... which it all came to a head take it away man... reposted for the umpteenth time...
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Posted By: Cristi
Date Posted: August 31 2017 at 19:28
no http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=18
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